Pakistan Army APC Inventory

[Signalian]

No it is not a cumbersome task; there are too many vested interests at play. They should just have taken a decision to look into local or joint ventures for mineproof vehicles with paramount or even armscor or other vendors from SA. Instead, it is all about lining up selfinterest at the expense of lives.
With respect to humvees; they just belong in a GM dealership and not on battlefield. Even those i would not touch with a spagetti- plenty of surplus mambas are available for around rands 80,000.

I dont want to go off topic with conspiracy theory discussions whether vested interests or whatever. The decision has been made very late not just for MRAP's but also forming the LCB's and upgrading the FC which encounters the brunt of the action. The troops have been upgrading the light vehicles/APC with steel plates and sand bags but still doesnt come upto the protection standard of a standard MRAP.
The advantage that a HUMVEE has over a Hilux is that, out of the two, its better protected and carries lesser troops which means lesser casualties although fitted with same armament. Equipping all troops with Otokar Cobra type protected vehicle for any trip could have been better rather than Land Rover defenders and hiluxes. Even Mohafiz proved to be a disappointment at times. Stepping out into combat zones should have been purely in MRAPs.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Is otokar cobra resistant to ieds???

I dont want to go off topic with conspiracy theory discussions whether vested interests or whatever. The decision has been made very late not just for MRAP's but also forming the LCB's and upgrading the FC which encounters the brunt of the action. The troops have been upgrading the light vehicles/APC with steel plates and sand bags but still doesnt come upto the protection standard of a standard MRAP.
The advantage that a HUMVEE has over a Hilux is that, out of the two, its better protected and carries lesser troops which means lesser casualties although fitted with same armament. Equipping all troops with Otokar Cobra type protected vehicle for any trip could have been better rather than Land Rover defenders and hiluxes. Even Mohafiz proved to be a disappointment at times. Stepping out into combat zones should have been purely in MRAPs.

 

[Signalian]

Is otokar cobra resistant to ieds???

To a certain degree having a V-shaped hull.

 

[Zarvan]

Is otokar cobra resistant to ieds???

Streit Group Gepard ASV Armoured Security Vehicle at DSEI 2017, Defense and Security Exhibition in London, United Kingdom.

 

[Zarvan]

Piranha 5 with Protector RWS 12.7 mm HMG and twin MMP ATGM on display at DSEI 2017 in London

 

[Zarvan]

Patria 8 x 8 at display in DSEI 2017

 

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Patria 8 x 8 at display in DSEI 2017

Brits have tender for 8x8, it's why there are so many manufacturers showcasing their 8x8. FNSS PARS III is also participating in the tender, perhaps having BAE SYSTEMS as part owner of FNSS may come in useful ?

 

[Zarvan]

Brits have tender for 8x8, it's why there are so many manufacturers showcasing their 8x8. FNSS PARS III is also participating in the tender, perhaps having BAE SYSTEMS as part owner of FNSS may come in useful ?

According to @Horus Pakistan is going for FNSS PARSS 8 X 8

 

[Arsalan]

The tragedy here isn't just that they inducted them, but somehow, HIT was made to license the design and produce it as one of its products! It has to be asked, of all the designs one could find to license, they chose the Dragoon.

Yes there is the commonality with the M113 and all, fair, but licensing is a cost in of itself and an open bid for that (i.e. the cost of licensing the design and building the capacity top produce at HIT) might have yielded interesting results. Ultimately, it's a matter of getting the license today and then gradually inducting over the long-term.

Paramount Group could have come to the table with the Mbombe 4 MRAP, Mbombe 6x6 and Mbombe 8 AFV, which share 80% in parts (source)! That alone could have resolved several distinct armed forces needs and we could have had a joint marketing, co-production and third-party export partnership built on the Mbombe.

As far as i am aware we didn't spent on the license part so that considered, the deal is not that bad. We got to make half decent (at worst) APC AT HOME, without spending valuable $$ with parts commonality with the existing APC fleet. Fair enough i would say.

 

[denel]

I dont want to go off topic with conspiracy theory discussions whether vested interests or whatever. The decision has been made very late not just for MRAP's but also forming the LCB's and upgrading the FC which encounters the brunt of the action. The troops have been upgrading the light vehicles/APC with steel plates and sand bags but still doesnt come upto the protection standard of a standard MRAP.
The advantage that a HUMVEE has over a Hilux is that, out of the two, its better protected and carries lesser troops which means lesser casualties although fitted with same armament. Equipping all troops with Otokar Cobra type protected vehicle for any trip could have been better rather than Land Rover defenders and hiluxes. Even Mohafiz proved to be a disappointment at times. Stepping out into combat zones should have been purely in MRAPs.

Nope.... It is no different just a tad bit of protection; ask the americans what humvees were in Iraq and they had to order 3000+ mambas.

To a certain degree having a V-shaped hull.

Yes but it is still too low for comfort.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) bro you wrote an article pak-kazakhstan and they are building marauder with S.Africa. What is your assessment about chances of PA getting Marauder from SA through KPE???

 

[Zarvan]

The Otokar ARMA 8x8 armoured vehicle at DSEI 2017 (Credit Army Recognition)

 

[Muhammad Omar]

are we doing speculations on this thread too???

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) bro you wrote an article pak-kazakhstan and they are building marauder with S.Africa. What is your assessment about chances of PA getting Marauder from SA through KPE???

That's up to the PA. That said, the PA has gotten MVRDE to develop the LAVA, which I suspect is probably a light-armoured vehicle similar to the Marauder. There are a lot of options for such types, especially in South Africa, Turkey, Ukraine and Czech Republic.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should seriously consider getting these from UAE. These are must for forces facing IED attacks on regular bases