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Pakistan announces 5th-gen fighter and medium-altitude long-endurance UAV programs

Timeline of Turkish TF-X stealth fighter project

- TF-X project officially kicked off
- Conceptual design activities completed thanks to TAI/SAAB collaboration
- British BAE became official design partner of TF-X project with 400 engineer/year
- Total budget is announced 35 billion $ for TF-X
- Turkey officially invite Pakistan to be a partner of TF-X
- Pakistan officially introduced next generation fighter project
- The partnership options seem China and Turkey at present.

Something big is on the door waiting for a big strategic collaboration I think.

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This is exactly what i was thinking about...PAF would take the Chinese route for an off the shelf solution whether it is J20 or J31 and then invest in TFX in the long run...my money is on TFX as our NGF
 
This is exactly what i was thinking about...PAF would take the Chinese route for an off the shelf solution whether it is J20 or J31 and then invest in TFX in the long run...my money is on TFX as our NGF

Current fleet procurement strategy !
*F-16 + Mirage direct purchase
*JF-17 home grown-investment-industrial partnership

Pakistan is stabilizing the allies well with operating Western (F-16) and Chinese (Home-grown JF-17) fighters so Replacement of those fighters will also be done with same principles.

Next procurement scenario !
*Pakistan F-16s will be replaced with another Western class fighter (TF-X/F-35/Rafale)
*JF-17 will be replaced with another Chinese fighters (J-31 or J-20)

The gold question is Which fighter project Pakistan is going to select for investment/industrial partnership/joint-production-exportation to boost industrial capabilities ? I bet my money on TF-X.

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Current fleet procurement strategy !
*F-16 + Mirage direct purchase
*JF-17 home grown-investment-industrial partnership

Pakistan is stabilizing the allies well with operating Western (F-16) and Chinese (Home-grown JF-17) fighters so Replacement of those fighters will also be done with same principles.

Next procurement scenario !
*Pakistan F-16s will be replaced with another Western class fighter (TF-X/F-35/Rafale)
*JF-17 will be replaced with another Chinese fighters (J-31 or J-20)

The gold question is Which fighter project Pakistan is going to select for investment/industrial partnership/joint-production-exportation to boost industrial capabilities ? I bet my money on TF-X.

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why on earth would the j-31 replace the jf-17 when there coming of the production line.

i think the jf-17 are replacing the j-7's

the mirages would need to be replaced by the j-31.for recon and strike roles it would be prefered as its larger than the tfx. and they would be cheap($80 million) which is good as they would need 180 to replace the mirage lll/v

the f16 have some life left in them and would likey be replaced by the tfx and may supplement the recon/strike role for the j31.

that leaves a niche for a top of the line full fat fighter which would be the j-20 and id imagine they wont need more than 72.

the likelihood of turkish, chinese and pakistani kit being mixed into the two fighters is near enough guaranteed as they did that with the milgem deal which is yet to be signed for (any news on that?)
 
Current fleet procurement strategy !
*F-16 + Mirage direct purchase
*JF-17 home grown-investment-industrial partnership

Pakistan is stabilizing the allies well with operating Western (F-16) and Chinese (Home-grown JF-17) fighters so Replacement of those fighters will also be done with same principles.

Next procurement scenario !
*Pakistan F-16s will be replaced with another Western class fighter (TF-X/F-35/Rafale)
*JF-17 will be replaced with another Chinese fighters (J-31 or J-20)

The gold question is Which fighter project Pakistan is going to select for investment/industrial partnership/joint-production-exportation to boost industrial capabilities ? I bet my money on TF-X.

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The alternate scenario is the PAF selecting the TFX or FC-31 on the basis of partial co-production and investment, but then working with Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) - i.e. the makers of the J-20 - on an original 5+ gen design to replace the JF-17.
 
Current fleet procurement strategy !
*F-16 + Mirage direct purchase
*JF-17 home grown-investment-industrial partnership

Pakistan is stabilizing the allies well with operating Western (F-16) and Chinese (Home-grown JF-17) fighters so Replacement of those fighters will also be done with same principles.

Next procurement scenario !
*Pakistan F-16s will be replaced with another Western class fighter (TF-X/F-35/Rafale)
*JF-17 will be replaced with another Chinese fighters (J-31 or J-20)

The gold question is Which fighter project Pakistan is going to select for investment/industrial partnership/joint-production-exportation to boost industrial capabilities ? I bet my money on TF-X.

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Bang on target....Its going to be TFX....we are not going for Raffys because the Indians have opted for them....F35 is out of question US will never release them to Pakistan so that leaves us with the Turkish beauty:smitten::smitten::smitten:
 
The alternate scenario is the PAF selecting the TFX or FC-31 on the basis of partial co-production and investment, but then working with Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) - i.e. the makers of the J-20 - on an original 5+ gen design to replace the JF-17.
Why create complexity by adding in another type not to mention the costs associated with the development of a 5th gen plane...the most cost effective solution would be to go for either J20 or J31 along with TFX in numbers....
 
Why create complexity by adding in another type not to mention the costs associated with the development of a 5th gen plane...the most cost effective solution would be to go for either J20 or J31 along with TFX in numbers....
We need to refer back to what the PAF itself is saying ... e.g. (1) the ACM said the PAF is looking "beyond" 5th-gen, (2) they set up AvDI to basically take on the design work of the FGF, and (3) they want to carry out most of the development in Pakistan in order to acquire and fully control the technology in-house. This is basically the markings of an original design, and not the TFX, J-20 or FC-31.

As for "why" they would want it an original design, there are several reasons:

First, this specific program could be meant to replace the JF-17, which would be due for phasing out in the late 2030s and early 2040s. In this respect, the PAF would need a fighter it can induct in numbers.

Second, they want to spend the next 15-20 years to produce a fighter that will be a contemporary of the fighters emerging in the 2030s and 2040s. In other words, stop playing catch-up where after having JF-17, we started seeing the world move ahead with 4.5 and 5th-gen.

Third, going off-the-shelf - even with the FC-31 - might not provide the sufficient amount of technology ownership necessary to build a robust aviation base in Pakistan. The FC-31 or TFX routes might not take PAC very far from where it already is - i.e. maintenance and manufacturing a portion of the sub-assemblies.

Fourth, actually design a fighter that is uniquely tailored for the PAF's requirements, which might emphasize lower operating costs, scalability, customization and future features, such as optionally piloted modules (switching the plane from being manned to unmanned) and controlling a flight of UCAVs.

Regarding cost. Sure, there'll be a savings in development by going for two off-the-shelf designs, but there will also be cost increases in operating so many large twin-engine jets. In this market, there are interestingly no other lighter weight designs optimized for low cost operation and expendability. None.

Another single-engine lightweight jet might seem off-putting, it might remind some of the limitations of the JF-17 all over again. However, the JF-17 was meant to replace F-7s. The alternate way to look at a lightweight 5+ gen fighter is to view it from the angle of future air warfare. A lightweight, low-cost and expendable design can be used as a manned or unmanned aircraft, the latter optimized for very high-risk offensive missions.

Fifth, having an original design with majority technology ownership and development in Pakistan would provide Pakistan with its own exportable good. A program of this nature is something you could offer to many states, and even a few sales would amount to billions in dollars of production and after-sale support work for the economy.
 
We need to refer back to what the PAF itself is saying ... e.g. (1) the ACM said the PAF is looking "beyond" 5th-gen, (2) they set up AvDI to basically take on the design work of the FGF, and (3) they want to carry out most of the development in Pakistan in order to acquire and fully control the technology in-house. This is basically the markings of an original design, and not the TFX, J-20 or FC-31.

As for "why" they would want it an original design, there are several reasons:

First, this specific program could be meant to replace the JF-17, which would be due for phasing out in the late 2030s and early 2040s. In this respect, the PAF would need a fighter it can induct in numbers.

Second, they want to spend the next 15-20 years to produce a fighter that will be a contemporary of the fighters emerging in the 2030s and 2040s. In other words, stop playing catch-up where after having JF-17, we started seeing the world move ahead with 4.5 and 5th-gen.

Third, going off-the-shelf - even with the FC-31 - might not provide the sufficient amount of technology ownership necessary to build a robust aviation base in Pakistan. The FC-31 or TFX routes might not take PAC very far from where it already is - i.e. maintenance and manufacturing a portion of the sub-assemblies.

Fourth, actually design a fighter that is uniquely tailored for the PAF's requirements, which might emphasize lower operating costs, scalability, customization and future features, such as optionally piloted modules (switching the plane from being manned to unmanned) and controlling a flight of UCAVs.

Regarding cost. Sure, there'll be a savings in development by going for two off-the-shelf designs, but there will also be cost increases in operating so many large twin-engine jets. In this market, there are interestingly no other lighter weight designs optimized for low cost operation and expendability. None.

Another single-engine lightweight jet might seem off-putting, it might remind some of the limitations of the JF-17 all over again. However, the JF-17 was meant to replace F-7s. The alternate way to look at a lightweight 5+ gen fighter is to view it from the angle of future air warfare. A lightweight, low-cost and expendable design can be used as a manned or unmanned aircraft, the latter optimized for very high-risk offensive missions.

Fifth, having an original design with majority technology ownership and development in Pakistan would provide Pakistan with its own exportable good. A program of this nature is something you could offer to many states, and even a few sales would amount to billions in dollars of production and after-sale support work for the economy.

Right on man. Its best to make our own!! And make money off of them that would be even better! :smitten::pakistan:
 
Look who is talking,teja 35 years only five prototype, arjun 35 years total failure.. You can say any thing,but remember Al khalid tank, Al zarrar tank, JFT, K8 , Super Mashak ok .


Lmao, India license produce crap too bud. Do you even have some of the infrastructure to even produce and validate the design?

Talk shit about Tejas, but certifications like refuel probe, twin seat variant, etc. are done in India. Even whole modules are being imported from China, save it.
 
There is no chance that Pakistan and Iran will cooperate on the defence front. Pakistan Iran relations are not friendly, but rather based on neutrality.
The optimist in me is hoping, unlike with India and Afghanistan we have no border dispute with Iran and Baluch separatists are our joint enemy.
 
China and Turkey must try their best to help Pakistan!

China itself is heavily reliant on russia for engines and avionics, it would take a decade or two or perfect the art and later it would be given to pakistan.
Check the fact before you spew shit here.

Current fleet procurement strategy !
*F-16 + Mirage direct purchase
*JF-17 home grown-investment-industrial partnership

Pakistan is stabilizing the allies well with operating Western (F-16) and Chinese (Home-grown JF-17) fighters so Replacement of those fighters will also be done with same principles.

Next procurement scenario !
*Pakistan F-16s will be replaced with another Western class fighter (TF-X/F-35/Rafale)
*JF-17 will be replaced with another Chinese fighters (J-31 or J-20)

The gold question is Which fighter project Pakistan is going to select for investment/industrial partnership/joint-production-exportation to boost industrial capabilities ? I bet my money on TF-X.

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it depends what China offers. I think both China and Turkey will help PAF.

This cake is too big, non of us can chew it alone.

If China offers J20:partay:,.......

It's ok to share cake with Turkey.
 
Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.



Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defence firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica's Grifo S7, the French Thomson-CSF's RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo's Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.0, the PAF had reportedly selected ATE Aerospace Group to integrate French-built avionics and weapons systems over rival bids from Astrac, Finmeccanica and a Thales-Sagem joint venture.
but it is not:p: we have mix avionics suit for JF-17 which is Chinese and indigenous sulotions, why you bring old crap article from mid 90's its a plan that not implemented :enjoy:

The KLJ-7 uses a mechanically-steered planar array antenna and bears similarities with the various Russian radars imported in the 1990s. Russian radar design houses Phazotron and NIIP had worked closely in the past with the Chinese radar design bureaus and provided technical assistance as well as operational models of Russian-made radar sets that were used as benchmarks in the process of these Chinese firms developing their own design. Up to 20 units of the Phazotron Zhemchoug ('Pearl) radar were imported in the mid-1990s for evaluation along with 2 units of Phazotron (NIIR) RP-35.
based on what article please give us the source:p:
 

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