Pakistan angers Afghans by suggesting Taliban share power - minister

[BLACKEAGLE]

Pakistan should impose it's influence on Afghanistan, it's like a void that has to be filled before somebody else fill it. Pakistan is the only country that can be trusted in Afghanistan.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Afghan govt has two options.

1 Share power with Taliban.
2 Eliminate them.

And we all know which option seems more practical and possible.

They know it.
They just want to hold on for a little longer. Karzai doesn't give a rats *** about his people it seems, I bet you if he doesn't make peace, he will be fleeing Afghanistan in the next few years or end up in one of those stadiums in Kabul.

 

[Aslan]

Iranians collaborating with the Wahhabi Taliban that's a conjecture at best and not possible in an actual world. The Iranians are with the Russians supporting the Karzai regime.

Surprise Surprise, neither the iranians nor the talibangies are what they seem like. With our any knowledge of ours they did had some diplomacy going on with the iranians. And its a fact my friend. And by the way the talibangies are not even wahabies. lol

 

[zip]

I thought americans will leave a democratic afghanistan for afghanians ..here people are talking about dividing the country as if its a piece of cake ..if people love them then let them contest elections ..but before that make sure that they got enough punishment for their past deeds so that they know their boundary and limitations

 

[Aslan]

I thought americans will leave a democratic afghanistan for afghanians ..here people are talking about dividing the country as if its a piece of cake ..if people love them then let them contest elections ..but before that make sure that they got enough punishment for their past deeds so that they know their boundary and limitations

Have we not learned anything from the last 10 years already, well long before that as well.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I thought americans will leave a democratic afghanistan for afghanians ..here people are talking about dividing the country as if its a piece of cake ..if people love them then let them contest elections ..but before that make sure that they got enough punishment for their past deeds so that they know their boundary and limitations

The above argument has been discussed here already.
Read some of the previous debates in pages 1-3.

Have we not learned anything from the last 10 years already, well long before that as well.

Exactly.

People aren't learning the lessons from history.
Have we all forgotten what happened to the DRA made by the Soviets? It seems no different from Afghan government today?

 

[illusion8]

Not true.
The Durand line doesn't exist, the people immediately on either side don't see it as a barrier and as such, they do not refrain from fighting each others war.

Currently, Afghanistan and Karzai are partly correct.
Areas like North Waziristan are breeding ground for taliban. But which kind of taliban? TTP.
Yes before 2004, the taliban did come to our lands and regroup.

But today, Only one part of FATA is a safe haven and a stronghold.
Whereas half of Afghanistan is out of reach of the government and ANA/ISAF.
Those are the real training grounds. Militants recruit there, they make money from opium there and use that money to buy arms.

In fact, BLA and TTP often regroup in Afghanistan and come to fight another day.
BLA in particular has training camps in Afghanistan.

The NATO troops left the border region back in 2008. Abandonend all outposts and forward bases.
They even left ammunition in forward supply dumps. Since then we've seen militant groups numbering by the hundreds moving along the border. It happens both ways. So it is completely unfair to just blame Pakistan so conveniently.

Now, then the Afghans say... why don't you stop border movement, stop allowing these people on your soil?
I'd say to that, that if we were to do such a thing (which we will never), we would involve ourselves in separating two of the same ethnic group on either side of the border. The refugees that stream into Pakistan, what about them? What would have happened to them if we didn't allow them here.

So three points I'd like to point out here.

• Safe havens exist on either side, in fact more so on their side then ours.
• The ones that are on our side aren't entirely our fault they exist, nor does it mean we have evil intentions.
• Combine the above with the Afghan leaderships anti-Pakistan rhetoric, you will realise that Pakistan is being used as a scapegoat, as an excuse.

@Jungibaaz, @Aslan,

I know for a fact that the area of trouble is not administrable by Pakistan or any force on Earth and that Pakistan army is trying it's best to curtail the trouble that will raise it's ugly head once 2014 hits and the westerners leave the region.

To be truthful the Taliban are a f@cked up regime both ways (may it be the Afghan variety or the Pakistan variety). I don't know how fruitful it will be for Pakistan for a re - surfaced and a re invigorated Taliban regime in Afghanistan (I wouldn't want that on my brothers if I was a Muslim). I don't see much leverage for Pakistan to prop up the Afghan Taliban and on another front fight the Pakistan Taliban - as far as I can witness both are the different faces of the same coin.

The only way a decent Afghan population can prosper is when the f@cked up Taliban are kept away from the innocent Afghans. The karzai govt may be corrupt or anti Pakistan - but one can live with an anti government regime but cannot live with a f@cked up seventh century regime called the Talib@stards (drawn from @FaujHistorian 's description of the taliban).

 

[RazPaK]

LOL @ Iranians Indians Americans Tajiks Uzbeks and the rest of NATO crying.

 

[Jungibaaz]

@Jungibaaz, @Aslan,

I know for a fact that the area of trouble is not administrable by Pakistan or any force on Earth and that Pakistan army is trying it's best to curtail the trouble that will raise it's ugly head once 2014 hits and the westerners leave the region.

To be truthful the Taliban are a f@cked up regime both ways (may it be the Afghan variety or the Pakistan variety). I don't know how fruitful it will be for Pakistan for a re - surfaced and a re invigorated Taliban regime in Afghanistan (I wouldn't want that on my brothers as a Muslim). I don't see much leverage for Pakistan to prop up the Afghan Taliban and on another front fight the Pakistan Taliban - as far as I can witness both are the different faces of the same coin.

They are very extreme and not within our interests or of the Afghan people.
But the way to deal with them is the real issue.
The US invasion aggravated the situation, didn't help at all.

It caused more radicalisation, taliban became even more backwards and cold blooded.
On the Al Qaeda front, the leaders were scattered, some killed. But via 9/11 and the War on terror, Al Qaeda grew from a regional menace to a global one, with operations in Asia, Africa and Europe.

War is not the long term solution, and in fact American intervention is just worsening the problem.

The only way a decent Afghan population can prosper is when the f@cked up Taliban are kept away from the innocent Afghans. The karzai govt may be corrupt or anti Pakistan - but one can live with an anti government regime but cannot live with a f@cked up seventh century regime called the Talib@stards (drawn from @FaujHistorian 's description of the taliban).

It's true. We all know that.

But the question here is... How do we do that?

For Pakistan, the taliban are alien, the best option is to fight, rehabilitate and also develop war torn areas.
For Afghanistan, it's different and far more complicated, how can a semi-illegitimate government fight a local cause with foreign blessing and expect to win?

 

[illusion8]

They know it.
They just want to hold on for a little longer. Karzai doesn't give a rats *** about his people it seems, I bet you if he doesn't make peace, he will be fleeing Afghanistan in the next few years or end up in one of those stadiums in Kabul.

@Jungibaaz, please tell me what other option does he have? the Talib@astards led by the retard Mullah Omar who doesn't hesitate before killing civilians - is that the kind of regime you prefer in your neighborhood?

 

[zip]

But if a few(thousand or lac ?) bearded men with ak 47 and local support comes to power in certain part of neighbouring country what will be its affect on pakistan ?
India saw the problem miles ahead in ltte episode ..
Good if you can co exist but its a bad example for anyone to follow

 

[BATMAN]

@iranigirl2 you seem to miss news reported by your own agencies or just simply picky in your choice!

PressTV - Afghanistan asks Pakistan to free Taliban prisoners for peace

Afghanistan has requested to neighboring Pakistan to free dozens of senior Taliban prisoners to help start the peace talks between the Taliban and Kabul.


The Afghan Foreign Ministry issued the statement on Saturday in response to remarks by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry on Tuesday, which welcomed the opening of a Taliban office in the Qatari capital of Doha, saying Islamabad stood "ready to continue to facilitate the (peace) process to achieve lasting peace".

"(If) Pakistan has the sincere determination to support the Afghan peace process ... then the most useful and urgent step would be to release those Afghan Taliban leaders who have been arrested by Pakistani authorities," the statement said.

"The release of these prominent Taliban leaders would provide the High Peace Council of Afghanistan with the opportunity to start peace talks with them," it added, referring to an Afghan body established by President Hamid Karzai in 2010.

On Tuesday, the Taliban opened its office in Doha. But the opening ceremony caused a row between the Afghan government and the United States because Taliban envoys raised the Taliban flag and signs reading the "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan", the term the Taliban used during their 1996-2001 rule.

On Thursday, US Secretary of State John Kerry called Afghan President Hamid Karzai in a bid to defuse tension with Afghanistan.

Karzai says the opening of the office in Qatar contradicted earlier US security guarantees given to his government.

The Afghan president said that his government will not join any US negotiations with the Taliban unless the talks are led by the Afghans.

On Wednesday, Afghan lawmakers also voiced their strong opposition to the opening of the controversial office in Doha.

The legislators also criticized Washington’s decision to hold talks with the militant group in Doha.

The MPs demanded that peace talks be held in Afghanistan and not in Qatar.

The United States and its allies invaded Afghanistan in 2001 as part of Washington’s so-called war on terror. The offensive removed the Taliban from power, but after almost 12 years, insecurity remains across the country.

For every one's record... what Afghanistan is requesting to free, is the terrorist gang call it self TTP / Islami this and that etc. etc.

Now we all know the members of unholy team patronizing TTP bla bla.

 

[Jungibaaz]

@Jungibaaz, please tell me what other option does he have? the Talib@stars led by the retard Mullah Omar who doesn't hesitate before killing civilians - is that the kind of regime you prefer in your neighborhood?

Absolutely not. I thought I made it clear in my posts.

Karzai's doomed pretty much.

This war was lost before it began.
He and his ministers rode into power on the back of who people regard as the invader and also the Northern alliance. In fact, some of those ministers are former NA.

His best option right now? I've already said how complex the situation is.
I can't express the solution in a paragraph or two. It's got to be in depth. I don't have time to go into it today, so I'll leave to answer it some other day.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan should impose it's influence on Afghanistan, it's like a void that has to be filled before somebody else fill it. Pakistan is the only country that can be trusted in Afghanistan.

This is the best solution for the peace in the region, but our political setup is totally hijacked by RAW.

We need a General to liberate Afghanistan from minority govt. of northern alliance drug lords and return them democracy... eventually.

 

[illusion8]

They are very extreme and not within our interests or of the Afghan people.
But the way to deal with them is the real issue.
The US invasion aggravated the situation, didn't help at all.

It caused more radicalisation, taliban became even more backwards and cold blooded.
On the Al Qaeda front, the leaders were scattered, some killed. But via 9/11 and the War on terror, Al Qaeda grew from a regional menace to a global one, with operations in Asia, Africa and Europe.

War is not the long term solution, and in fact American intervention is just worsening the problem.



It's true. We all know that.

But the question here is... How do we do that?

For Pakistan, the taliban are alien, the best option is to fight, rehabilitate and also develop war torn areas.
For Afghanistan, it's different and far more complicated, how can a semi-illegitimate government fight a local cause with foreign blessing and expect to win?

Pakistan's regime is pushing both the Americans and the Afghans to reconcile with the Talib@stards and invite the retards into forming a democratic government (these b@stards and a democratic government?????)

There is a point of stupidity and insanity beyond that a normal smart person knows that its foolish to promote madness just to promote yourself.

The Talib@stards - as much as Pakistan tries - will be terrorists and will not gain legitimacy as a linchpin of Pakistan in Afghanistan because their core is really messed up, Pakistan is not used to the extremism these f@cktards promote and does not elect leaders who represent extreme ideologies - so why wish something on your neighbor that you yourself do not wish upon yourself - for e.g. the TTP -(why don't you give them legitimacy) - because you know it's madness so why wish the same on your Afghan brothers - the @hole taliban regime that believes in blowing up civilians and beheading women and blowing up bammiyah)