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Pakistan and its expensive LNG procurement

Long-term contract of LNG was never the problem but the price. PTI govt has done the lowest price LNG contract something that Shahid Khaqan Abbasi lovers could never recognize.


Dear Sir,

I agree you have a point but you should also realize that that time when a contract is concluded is important because the price is governed by the prevalent market conditions.

No one has a crystal ball and you cannot wait for the right time to conclude contract because the demand needs to be right way. If you to enter into the contract now the price would be higher.
 
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Dear Sir,

I agree you have a point but you should also realize that that time when a contract is concluded is important because the price is governed by the prevalent market conditions.

No one has a crystal ball and you cannot wait for the right time to conclude contract because the demand needs to be right way. If you to enter into the contract now the price would be higher.



Sir can you compare the long term contracts signed with other contracts in the same time frame ( I think India also signed a long term contract in the same time period)?
Furthermore the price renegotiation clauses in the contract after a certain number of years, which were very different with industry standards?

Didn't the current government secured cheapest long term contract with Qatar as compared to other countries ( Bangladesh for one) in the same time frame?


2nd point sir I want your assessment about the terminal/FSRU take or pay contract with sovereign implications which Abbasi signed? In comparison the private sector led model followed by current government with no government sovereign guarantees.
 
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Brother, Please don't call me sir, it makes me feel old :-) and frankly these titles are more suitable for people like niaz sb, who are way more experienced than myself in the industry.

For the question, I think it will be hard for Gulf countries to give direct discounted price for spot purchases in open tenders. There is a tender issued by PSO for procurement of HSFO, delivery for mid Jan 2022. They can't quote one price to us and another, to some other customer within same delivery window.

The favor will come, but not as discounted price. What they have been offering is a credit line at low interest rates that can be utilized for buying petroleum products. This credit line/ soft loans have been extended to us numerous times by KSA, UAE and Qatar through different state owned banks of respective countries.
and sometime results in strucking off of loans
 
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Sorry to say that sir you are also a part of the same group, as for the 'idiots' the previous ones were bigger as compared to the current ones.

The short comings to me of PTI government as the ones before it is not establishing on ground storage.
When one is sitting in a sinking boat, people feel happy dragging others down to their level. While being clueless as to what the other guy actually does.

As to the current idiots, small or big, still idiots, who are exposing themselves all on their own.

On this issue, shortcomings are not only storage issue, but mis management of supply as well. There are no backup plans in place when suppliers bail out.

After 3yrs in power they are still flip flopping, proving that everything promised pre-election was the usual rhetoric, nothing else.

As always talk is cheap.
and sometime results in strucking off of loans
This is something most people here dont want to admit, how SMQ's loyalties and bias cost us.
 
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Article is missing several factor. One being several cargos being cancelled which were contracted but not delivered. Contracted companies paid penalties rather than delivering cargos. Second govt has secured more cargos this year 12 compared to 8 last year for same period. 3rd Govt will be running Furnace oil plants where 17Rs/unit electricity can be produced compared to 35Rs if LNG plants are run with current market price of LNG. As i said LNG is expensive and govt cant procure 100% from long term contracts due to market fluctuation. 30% are still procures via spot buying which obviously come with its own risk. Shortage this year will be less than last year. I have done my research. If you are refering Oil marked with percentage of brent then you should know that is practice for all LNG contracts. No one will give you a fixed price for a long term contract without accounting for market fluctuation. Same percentage of brent also helps when prices are below agreed in contract.
Penalty was very low
So when cargo is cheap they will reap benefits and when its high they will pay penalty

This is how absurdly the deal was..instead of asking 100% cost coverage in case of default its just 30% ..so no figure they will default
Sorry to say that sir you are also a part of the same group, as for the 'idiots' the previous ones were bigger as compared to the current ones.

1) As far as your assessment goes regarding long term contracts. The criticism is around the price secured for long term contracts not against long term contract.

PTI secured the cheapest Long term contract in the world vs khakan securing the most expensive in the region. ( I am taking into account the time frame of our contracts in comparison keeping in view the contracts signed by other countries in roughly the same time frame) .

2) The TAKE OR PAY model followed in Terminal contracts with sovereign gurantees. As against the recent push by pti to facilitate deregulation and private sector investment ( the recent 2 led by private sector).
There is no liability or sovereign guarantees burden on state Completely opposite of plmn model.

These 2 points cover the most important aspects of LNG. Now Sir with all due respect can you please contradict with what I pointed out?

Now coming on to the recent debacle.

Pakistan spot procurement is cheaper than other countries please correct me if I am wrong. Do you know India procument in spot market is around $26 for Nov.
You always compare procrument by other countries in the same time frame.
@farok84 bro can you please give an idea of what is the procurement cost for spot cargoes by other countries as compared to Pakistan for the recent months?

Now the last point the default on 2 long term cargoes. Who signed just 30% penalty in case if they do not supply? Had your contract been more rigorous like Japan, these suppliers would not have defaulted.

The short comings to me of PTI government as the ones before it is not establishing on ground storage.
Logic doesnt work in pakistan
Hence why my leader has been in govt for 40 years and will be back in 2023
Dear Sir,

I agree you have a point but you should also realize that that time when a contract is concluded is important because the price is governed by the prevalent market conditions.

No one has a crystal ball and you cannot wait for the right time to conclude contract because the demand needs to be right way. If you to enter into the contract now the price would be higher.
Totally agree sir.
Though whats your opinion on low penalities on long term supply..as all long term supplier are defaulting on high prices
 
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Sir can you compare the long term contracts signed with other contracts in the same time frame ( I think India also signed a long term contract in the same time period)?
Furthermore the price renegotiation clauses in the contract after a certain number of years, which were very different with industry standards?

Didn't the current government secured cheapest long term contract with Qatar as compared to other countries ( Bangladesh for one) in the same time frame?


2nd point sir I want your assessment about the terminal/FSRU take or pay contract with sovereign implications which Abbasi signed? In comparison the private sector led model followed by current government with no government sovereign guarantees.

Long term contract will usually follow the oil price fluctuation, there will be minimum price as well to make gas production doesnt make loss money as well, so the increase of gas price experienced by any consumer of LNG who has signed long term contract will be much less than in spot market as gas price rises much higher than oil this time.

There is no flat long term LNG/gas contract anymore like in the old days ( before 2000).

Pakistan should be able to do long term contract with Qatar, I dont know why they dont do that ....???

Pakistan can also get LNG long term contract from Indonesia for the new gas project despite the production may happen after 2027. Indonesian electricity company and other SOE companies have made deal on that project. The sooner we make contract ( before the production is started ), the better the price deal
 
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When one is sitting in a sinking boat, people feel happy dragging others down to their level. While being clueless as to what the other guy actually does.

As to the current idiots, small or big, still idiots, who are exposing themselves all on their own.

On this issue, shortcomings are not only storage issue, but mis management of supply as well. There are no backup plans in place when suppliers bail out.

After 3yrs in power they are still flip flopping, proving that everything promised pre-election was the usual rhetoric, nothing else.

As always talk is cheap.

This is something most people here dont want to admit, how SMQ's loyalties and bias cost us.

Sir I feel your reply is on the emotional side. I raised genuine factual points and I would prefer not to go political out of respect.

I will just ask if 'long term contracts' bail out what redundancies are we left with? As you said 'Talk is cheap', I am expecting that you must have an alternate solution?
Companies only do that when the terms of contracts allows them to by being soft. On whom does the blame fall on? Whenever the differential rises more than 30% they will bail out. They will make good money out of it. We probably have the weakest contract in their entire portfolio.

Why are India and China suffering from energy shortages? Europe?

It is hard to admit when nearly all our newly installed capacity is based on 'Imported fuel'. How ironic talking about redundancies in the face of 'Take or pay' contracts.

We have 9 cargoes booked for Nov and 10 cargoes for Dec. (excluding the 2 long term cargoes by Eni and guvnor).

Our spot procurement is cheaper than India for the current month by a margin. Not to mention what is going on in China, Europe, Japan.

Frankly sir it was uncalled for, and yes the only way forward long term is deregularize the industry. Any industry run by bureaucracy is doomed to be inefficient and only a liability for the state. Which is why I said Pakistan is moving forward past the 'take or pay' 'sovereign gurantee' ( which was the root cause of all ills be it circular debt in energy sector or gas sector) etc black ages to a free competitive market.
This will address the mismanagement part.

Storage is for obvious reasons.

Long term contract will usually follow the oil price fluctuation, there will be minimum price as well to make gas production doesnt make loss money as well, so the increase of gas price experienced by any consumer of LNG who has signed long term contract will be much less than in spot market as gas price rises much higher than oil this time.

There is no flat long term LNG/gas contract anymore like in the old days ( before 2000).

Pakistan should be able to do long term contract with Qatar, I dont know why they dont do that ....???

Pakistan can also get LNG long term contract from Indonesia for the new gas project despite the production may happen after 2027. Indonesian electricity company and other SOE companies have made deal on that project. The sooner we make contract ( before the production is started ), the better the price deal

We have 2 long term contracts with Qatar. One at 13.37% and another one at 10.2%.
We also have long term contracts with Eni and Guvnor.

The problem that we are discussing here is Eni and Guvnor defaulted on their long term contract.

Pakistan taps into spot market only for seasonal surges in gas demand.
 
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Explainer: What's behind the wild surges in global LNG prices and the risks ahead
Jessica Jaganathan

SINGAPORE, Oct 1 (Reuters) - In less than a year and a half, liquefied natural gas (LNG) prices have lurched from record lows to record highs, with the market first reeling from the impact of the pandemic and now unable to keep up with a global recovery in demand.

Demand jumped on economic growth plus a cold northern hemisphere winter followed by a hot summer, while supplies have been stymied by production problems. Recent power curbs and outages across China due to coal shortages have only exacerbated competition between Asia and Europe in securing sources of energy.

That's led to LNG prices hitting $34 per million British thermal units this week compared with just under $2 mmBtu in May 2020, while European gas prices have catapulted 300% higher this year.

Key LNG prices

Key LNG prices
HOW BAD IS THE SUPPLY-DEMAND MISMATCH?

Gas inventories remain critically tight in Europe and Asia which together account for 94% of global LNG imports and over a third of global gas consumption.

Most major LNG producers are operating at or close to full capacity and have allocated the vast majority of their shipments to specific customers, leaving little prospect of a short-term fix.

According to the International Gas Union, only 8.9 million tonnes per annum (mtpa) of a total 139.1 mtpa of planned new liquefaction capacity is expected to come online in 2021.

Some of that additional capacity has been delayed by COVID-19 movement restrictions that have stopped or dragged out construction and maintenance work at several key sites including in Indonesia and Russia over the past year.

So far this year, 288.1 million tonnes of LNG has loaded for exports globally, just 7% growth over the same period last year, Refinitiv data shows.

WHAT ARE THE RISKS AHEAD?

Buyers may struggle to buy enough gas for restocking and use. Less wind in Europe lately has boosted gas usage by power stations there, while in China power is being rationed to industry and some residential users, triggering a jump in LNG imports.

Current long-range forecasts call for a mild winter in much of Asia this year, but the market fears a repeat of the 2020/21 cold snap could lead to a buying binge similar to the one in January that fired up prices.

"At the extreme, it would not be a surprise if some gas or LNG cargoes could even change hands in the $100/MMBtu range, or ~$580/bbl in oil-equivalent terms, based on observing how prices have spiked in the U.S. gas market, for example, over the past ten years," Citi said in a note to clients last week.

HOW DID WE GET HERE?

Spot LNG fell to a record low of $1.85/mmBtu in May 2020, when coronavirus containment measures snuffed out power demand just as new supplies from major producers including Qatar, Australia and the United States flowed onto the market.

Global LNG exports

Global LNG exports
LNG producers slashed production, reducing shipments through the 2020 summer which have had a lasting impact on global gas inventories. The 2020/21 winter freeze then caught many power providers short, sparking a surge in spot demand and tightening gas stockpiles further just as logistics constraints slowed delivery times.

Those factors and high shipping rates sent LNG spot prices rocketing to a record $32.50 per mmBtu in mid-January, though prices returned below $10 by the end of the month.

Prices have since bounced back. European buyers struggled to rebuild stocks, with a hot summer boosting air conditioner use just as high carbon prices forced power generators to cut coal use and burn more gas. Gas field maintenance in Norway and lower volumes from Russia also cut supplies.

Higher purchases by Asia on growth in Chinese demand and stock rebuilding exacerbated Europe's shortfall, resulting in Europe-bound shipments through August sliding 18% from the same period in 2020, Refinitiv data shows.

Europe LNG imports

Europe LNG imports
That left Europe's gas inventories at 50-60% full by late summer, compared to 80% in the same period last year. The current re-stocking wave is now fuelling Europe's surge in gas prices.

WILL SUPPLIES BE FORTHCOMING?

Apart from COVID-19-related project delays, the global energy sector pivot away from fossil fuels towards greener energy supplies has slowed investment in LNG infrastructure. That has hindered the ability of producers to quickly deliver more supply to market, said Charif Souki, co-founder of U.S natural gas company Tellurian (TELL.O).

"The world was kind of lulled to complacency because prices were low for five years so no one felt an urge to plan and everyone got very religious on environmental protection and it is wonderful – we should be – but we should look at what things actually work rather than simply what we hope for," he added.

Reporting by Jessica Jaganathan in Singapore, Additional reporting by Scott DiSavino in New York; Editing by Gavin Maguire and Edwina Gibbs

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
 
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Now the last point the default on 2 long term cargoes. Who signed just 30% penalty in case if they do not supply? Had your contract been more rigorous like Japan, these suppliers would not have defaulted

Sir idhr sab gajni Kay Aamir khan Hy. Short term memory only. 15 minute pehle Kia Hua tha bhool jaty Hy. Idhr aap inse pechle term ki cheez poch rahy ho
No one has a crystal ball and you cannot wait for the right time to conclude contract because the demand needs to be right way. If you to enter into the contract now the price would be higher.

Government is also making same excuse. "we don't have a crystal ball to predict future price hike". If your argument have grounds why don't theirs ? .
 
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Long term contract will usually follow the oil price fluctuation, there will be minimum price as well to make gas production doesnt make loss money as well, so the increase of gas price experienced by any consumer of LNG who has signed long term contract will be much less than in spot market as gas price rises much higher than oil this time.

There is no flat long term LNG/gas contract anymore like in the old days ( before 2000).

Pakistan should be able to do long term contract with Qatar, I dont know why they dont do that ....???

Pakistan can also get LNG long term contract from Indonesia for the new gas project despite the production may happen after 2027. Indonesian electricity company and other SOE companies have made deal on that project. The sooner we make contract ( before the production is started ), the better the price deal
Yes but LNG is getting more expensive then oil
The typical oil linked pricing isnt working
 
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Hi,

We have actually signed a long term contract with Qatar in Feb, 2021. It is, to date, the lowest contracted price (10.2% of 3 month averaged Brent) for any Lng procurement around the world and is a very fine and balanced contract. As per the contract, we should be importing 2 cargoes per month from January 2022 and by January 2024, we should be importing 4 cargoes/month. We should also be importing some cargoes (I'm guessing 2 per month) at same price from Qatar for November and December 2021, this was also part of the new contract. We should be able to get exact cargoes number next week when Ogra issues RLNG prices.

Our firm demand throughout the year is 800mmcfd or 8 cargoes/month, which we have secured through our older Qatar (5 cargo/ month), Eni (1 cargo/ month) and Gunvor (1 cargo/month) term contracts. In winters this demand exceeds 1200mmcfd for which, we will have to rely on spot markets, until we have an affordable solution for storage.

Two proposal are in works for this, first is for Lng storage (Above Ground Storage Tanks) and second for Underground Gas Storage in depleted reservoirs of Sindh. Both of these require heavy investments (and for UGS, a base or cushion gas, an extra cost), unfortunately, the money (Gas Infrastructure Development Cess or GIDC) that was collected on this account (that should have been set aside), has been utilized by PTI government (for budget balancing or some other procurements). Now, until we can find an investor and a way to spread the tariff (to be incurred on end consumer), I don't see any of these options materializing.

Now for our current problems (for November), are due to Eni and Gunvor defaults, for which we can't hold incumbent government accountable. Suppliers are seeing 3-4 times more profit in Spot markets and are even diverting term cargoes to make exorbitant profits (can't blame them, honoring one words, isn't something what most commodity traders are known for). Which brings us to the question of how our term contracts were drafted in first place, to heavily support suppliers? Was it our incompetence or inexperience? If they default, they only have to pay 30% fine, on the total cost of the cargo in question. So they gleefully default, pay the fine, and make twice the profit and we are left to lick our wounds. We should cancel Eni contract and should procure replacement volumes from Qatar, diversification of suppliers is not working for us. This is the 3rd time within this year when Eni has defaulted and has offered to pay full fine, but the same contract won't let us cancel it, without a fine of $300million.

These procurement problems will remain till 2024, afterwards, once our new Qatar contract kicks in fully, things will ease out. PTI has envisaged an increase in year round base RLNG demand from 800-1000mmcfd by 2024 and have secured 9000mmcfd from Qatar (500 from PMLN 2016 and 400mmcfd from PTI 2021 contracts) and 100mmcfd from PMLN's Eni contract. So, for winter 2022 and 2023 demands in power sector we will have to rely on alternate fuels (FO/ Diesel).

To mitigate 2022 and 2023 issues, we can increase our intake from Qatar contracts [known as Annual Upward Quantity usually 10% of Annual Contracted Quantity or for 2022, extra 6 (from 2016) & 2 (from 2021) cargoes, and for 2023, 6 and 3 cargoes) and spreading our schedule (Annual Procurement Plan) unevenly so we can have more cargoes in winter months than summers. I believe PTI has arranged extra cargoes through same mechanism for Nov, Dec 2021 and Jan, Feb 2022. Eni and Gunvor stabbed us in back, and no one can plan for such betrayals.

I also don't see Pakistan getting into a short term (2 years) contract in meanwhile. China (Private Companies) have recently entered 2 short term (2 years) contracts priced at premiums of $1-2/mmbtu over JKM (Japan Korea Marker) and Dutch TTF (Title Transfer Facility). They have set the precedence and we can't afford such prices.

Apart from procurement and storage issues, our regasification and pipeline capacity issues, are other limiting factors. We don't have any extra pipeline capacity and PTI has wasted 3 years in negotiating a Share Holders Agreement (SHA) on Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline (PSGP) with Russians to 74-26% break-up till July 2021, to only ask Russia in October 2021 for arranging finances for Pakistan's share (74%), effectively making it again a 100% Russian investment (back to 2015) while insisting on no sovereign guarantees, who will want to invest in such non serious prevailing conditions and ridiculous environment? The reason for this is also GIDC misappropriation.

For our regasification limits, some head way was seen, in terms of Tabeer and Energas import terminals, but they have now also shown their displeasure publicly and have written directly to PM, lamenting greedy SSGC and SNGPL for creating roadblocks on pipeline capacity (which was necessary for PSGP construction, guaranteed 600mmcfd divided among both these would have helped in convincing Russians on that 74% finances) and PD for creating unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles, and have informed of their intentions to roll back their investment plans. The issues haunting our Oil/ Gas procurements rise from inexperience (industry naivety) of our Minister-in-Training and the rolling gate for experienced SAPM (minus Tabish Gohar, he is the reason for messing up of PSGP and new terminals).

But all is not doomed and gloomed, head way should be seen in PSGP next week (Russian's are due in Islamabad Nov 8th) and both Tabeer (partner Mitsubishi) and Energas (now partner Qatar) will find some relief and backing from government. These will solve our pipeline and regasification capacity issues. Also, it is my opinion that GOP is looking to limit future government Lng procurement and we should see some sort of head way on TAP(I) after PSGP is finalized. But that solution will also come in play beyond 2025-26, interim solutions are Spot markets when affordable, FO/ Diesel when not and increase in quantities from Qatar.

Bro just a minor correction,

GIDC is not spent by PTI government rather it was spent by plmn government, Rs 295b which this government now has to fund .

This is a complete breakdown of Rs818b of GIDC.

295b spent by precious government
517b pending receivables.


"According to well-placed sources, the volume of collectable GIDC from various sectors was increased to Rs517 billion on March 31, 2020. However, till now none of the GIDC reserves have been utilised for the purpose they were collected for.

According to documents, the previous government collected Rs295 billion as GIDC and employed it for budgetary purposes other than building gas infrastructure due to which the current government now has to raise another Rs295 billion from its future tax collections.

Out of the Rs517 billion collectable GIDC, the fertiliser sector will pay Rs195 billion, the power sector will pay Rs76 billion, and the captive power and Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) industry will pay Rs 246 billion."

 
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Penalty was very low
So when cargo is cheap they will reap benefits and when its high they will pay penalty

This is how absurdly the deal was..instead of asking 100% cost coverage in case of default its just 30% ..so no figure they will default

Logic doesnt work in pakistan
Hence why my leader has been in govt for 40 years and will be back in 2023

Totally agree sir.
Though whats your opinion on low penalities on long term supply..as all long term supplier are defaulting on high prices
True and before people start pointing out faults in PTI govt i would like to mention that contract for spot cargos was signed in 2017 and to get out of them we will have to pay 300 million $ both to ENI and other company forgot the name 😅. Yes 30% penalty was definitel a blunder should have been at least 50-70% to prevent it. This shows how much kickbacks were received by PMLN over LNG deals. PTI scored a good deal with Qatar so by 2024 our LNG woes will be largely solved.
 
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True and before people start pointing out faults in PTI govt i would like to mention that contract for spot cargos was signed in 2017 and to get out of them we will have to pay 300 million $ both to ENI and other company forgot the name 😅. Yes 30% penalty was definitel a blunder should have been at least 50-70% to prevent it. This shows how much kickbacks were received by PMLN over LNG deals. PTI scored a good deal with Qatar so by 2024 our LNG woes will be largely solved.
Dont worry my great leader will be back with great kick back deals in 2024
People love him and will die for him
 
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