Pakistan and Indian Troops dancing together at conclusion of SCO military exercise

[Umair Nawaz]

Now young fellow how can one counter your "incoherent nonsense" (other than ignoring it), Umair I suggest you learn how to properly formulate your arguments so one could respond accordingly, instead all I see from you is the same "unhinged gas bag" you always have been and will be, now do me a favour do not waste my time by quoting me ever again, go find another playmate to pester with your immature posts!!!!!

because im bloody angry to my core!

Now allow me to properly elaborate my thoughts for my lordship mr @django

1) Why bloody send a task force of the caliber of SSG in a multinational event that too of this low caliber on the first place?? Even Russia and heck even india also send infantry and infantry embedded LCBs into this event....Yr bloody losing the value and caliber of SSG here infront of those Central Asians and Russians who r nothing but some non muslim and rich version of these kharant Pakhtoons, with a lot of oil. They r unsophisticated, quit even uncivilized too...Heck even they didnt send their Alfa Group or GRU here.

For the level and the standards of militaries performing in this exercises our Rangers/FC with their embedded LCBs would have been more then enough. Because for even druzba exe. Russia send its second tier SF VDV's mountain paratroopers to train with our SSG? seriously SSG against these boyish soldiers?? Just bloody send that newly raised paratrooper division next time would u?

Inn logo ko itna free na karo k ye log humain seriously na lain in future because they would have explored everything they needed without giving us anything in return, like that T90s, Su35, Frigates submarine, Air defence etc etc.

2) Now that u did send it, what the HECK is this? Putting tikka on yr heads, celebrating some ''india day'' by doing these mujras? now whats the difference is now b/w them n our so called actors who for pleasing them would even go naked? disrespecting yr religion, yr belief system, yr culture etc etc

3) Now the biggest point, what if this video is showed in pakistani media right now? when the situation with these media empires n with government is at its lowest? because this government goesnt bribe them nor has an tussle with army? What if this video is presented in our media in such a way that that it tries to create a rift b/w them or b/w army n public specially the KASHMIRI public?? with whom we still have hot n cold relationship specially with public of AJK??

4) now i understand that we r changing our strategy and we r going towards East and pleasing russia is part of it to take part in such exercises in which india also takes part in....But yr going too fast n too far into it. without getting anything significantly in return from Russia, no guarantees nothing, just blindly following policy of appeasement.

Look we have participated in this Russian exercise under SCO where our enemy india is involved as well who is doing all the terrorism in Pakistan isnt that enough to show to both Russia n China abt our sincerity n commitment?, India is our sworn enemy And Kulbhushan Yadav and APS attacks r a testimony to that and Russia and China also for themselves need to understand that. We need to draw or red lines infront of them rather the going something we WILL REGRET IN FUTURE if this leaks out in our mainstream media, imagine mir shakeel and that Dawn clown would have a field day with it,

So rather then disrespecting our dead all 75000 of them by indulging in such activities with their murders in cold blood, better to use this platform to make a strong case abt terrorism against india, both militarily and diplomatically.

For God sake use yr brains for a second and think before u leap for once.

 

[Rafi]

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. Our Soldiers are Patriots, but also PROFESSIONAL soldiers, we dance and are quite willing and able to kill them, when ordered.

Actually quite clever to show that our soldiers areally not too hardcore. Successful "psyop".

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. Our Soldiers are Patriots, but also PROFESSIONAL soldiers, we dance and are quite willing and able to kill them, when ordered.

Actually quite clever to show that our soldiers areally not too hardcore. Successful "psyop".

yeah sure trying to find positivity.....been there done that...yr not fooling anyone now with these ''weak'' excuses and arguments.

 

[django]

because im bloody angry to my core!

Now allow me to properly elaborate my thoughts for my lordship mr @django

1) Why bloody send a task force of the caliber of SSG in a multinational event that too of this low caliber on the first place?? Even Russia and heck even india also send infantry and infantry embedded LCBs into this event....Yr bloody losing the value and caliber of SSG here infront of those Central Asians and Russians who r nothing but some non muslim and rich version of these kharant Pakhtoons, with a lot of oil. They r unsophisticated, quit even uncivilized too...Heck even they didnt send their Alfa Group or GRU here.

For the level and the standards of militaries performing in this exercises our Rangers/FC with their embedded LCBs would have been more then enough. Because for even druzba exe. Russia send its second tier SF VDV's mountain paratroopers to train with our SSG? seriously SSG against these boyish soldiers?? Just bloody send that newly raised paratrooper division next time would u?

Inn logo ko itna free na karo k ye log humain seriously na lain in future because they would have explored everything they needed without giving us anything in return, like that T90s, Su35, Frigates submarine, Air defence etc etc.

2) Now that u did send it, what the HECK is this? Putting tikka on yr heads, celebrating some ''india day'' by doing these mujras? now whats the difference is now b/w them n our so called actors who for pleasing them would even go naked? disrespecting yr religion, yr belief system, yr culture etc etc

3) Now the biggest point, what if this video is showed in pakistani media right now? when the situation with these media empires n with government is at its lowest? because this government goesnt bribe them nor has an tussle with army? What if this video is presented in our media in such a way that that it tries to create a rift b/w them or b/w army n public specially the KASHMIRI public?? with whom we still have hot n cold relationship specially with public of AJK??

4) now i understand that we r changing our strategy and we r going towards East and pleasing russia is part of it to take part in such exercises in which india also takes part in....But yr going too fast n too far into it. without getting anything significantly in return from Russia, no guarantees nothing, just blindly following policy of appeasement.

Look we have participated in this Russian exercise under SCO where our enemy india is involved as well who is doing all the terrorism in Pakistan isnt that enough to show to both Russia n China abt our sincerity n commitment?, India is our sworn enemy And Kulbhushan Yadav and APS attacks r a testimony to that and Russia and China also for themselves need to understand that. We need to draw or red lines infront of them rather the going something we WILL REGRET IN FUTURE if this leaks out in our mainstream media, imagine mir shakeel and that Dawn clown would have a field day with it,

So rather then disrespecting our dead all 75000 of them by indulging in such activities with their murders in cold blood, better to use this platform to make a strong case abt terrorism against india, both militarily and diplomatically.

For God sake use yr brains for a second and think before u leap for once.

My dear chap I suggest you send your arguments to https://www.ispr.gov.pk/writetous.php

 

[scionofPakwattan]

lets just say i live in Pakistan and whatever happens here concerns me the most as i dont live elsewhere, so i know better. This bonhomie thingy is coming probably from yr exposure to the west living amongst those who dont even share anything in common with u.

We dont need that nor we need to put dotheads on our foreheads to please others.

Dont you ever play the "live over here card" this is a loser argument. YOu have no idea what im about or what ive sacrificed for my country or you dont even know where i live, just because my user profile says something else doesnt mean its true, you of all people should know how technology works on this forum since you are an 'elite member". Secondly, What I said above makes complete sense, and my father who is a serving army officer and many of his peers completely agree with what i stated above. Im glad you're not a member of the Pakistani Armed forces, I wouldve been disappointed with the standard. I would suggest you do some reading on leadership and nurturing a culture of creativity in young leader of the future, you'll realize why its so very important to provide as much exposure as possible, a dothead or something doesnt mean anything but shows the depth in a person's humility and respect of other's cultures, be it an enemy.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. Our Soldiers are Patriots, but also PROFESSIONAL soldiers, we dance and are quite willing and able to kill them, when ordered.

Actually quite clever to show that our soldiers areally not too hardcore. Successful "psyop".

Come on dude. This isn’t pysops/planned clever show, it’s just human.

 

[GHALIB]

because im bloody angry to my core!

Now allow me to properly elaborate my thoughts for my lordship mr @django

1) Why bloody send a task force of the caliber of SSG in a multinational event that too of this low caliber on the first place?? Even Russia and heck even india also send infantry and infantry embedded LCBs into this event....Yr bloody losing the value and caliber of SSG here infront of those Central Asians and Russians who r nothing but some non muslim and rich version of these kharant Pakhtoons, with a lot of oil. They r unsophisticated, quit even uncivilized too...Heck even they didnt send their Alfa Group or GRU here.

For the level and the standards of militaries performing in this exercises our Rangers/FC with their embedded LCBs would have been more then enough. Because for even druzba exe. Russia send its second tier SF VDV's mountain paratroopers to train with our SSG? seriously SSG against these boyish soldiers?? Just bloody send that newly raised paratrooper division next time would u?

Inn logo ko itna free na karo k ye log humain seriously na lain in future because they would have explored everything they needed without giving us anything in return, like that T90s, Su35, Frigates submarine, Air defence etc etc.

2) Now that u did send it, what the HECK is this? Putting tikka on yr heads, celebrating some ''india day'' by doing these mujras? now whats the difference is now b/w them n our so called actors who for pleasing them would even go naked? disrespecting yr religion, yr belief system, yr culture etc etc

3) Now the biggest point, what if this video is showed in pakistani media right now? when the situation with these media empires n with government is at its lowest? because this government goesnt bribe them nor has an tussle with army? What if this video is presented in our media in such a way that that it tries to create a rift b/w them or b/w army n public specially the KASHMIRI public?? with whom we still have hot n cold relationship specially with public of AJK??

4) now i understand that we r changing our strategy and we r going towards East and pleasing russia is part of it to take part in such exercises in which india also takes part in....But yr going too fast n too far into it. without getting anything significantly in return from Russia, no guarantees nothing, just blindly following policy of appeasement.

Look we have participated in this Russian exercise under SCO where our enemy india is involved as well who is doing all the terrorism in Pakistan isnt that enough to show to both Russia n China abt our sincerity n commitment?, India is our sworn enemy And Kulbhushan Yadav and APS attacks r a testimony to that and Russia and China also for themselves need to understand that. We need to draw or red lines infront of them rather the going something we WILL REGRET IN FUTURE if this leaks out in our mainstream media, imagine mir shakeel and that Dawn clown would have a field day with it,

So rather then disrespecting our dead all 75000 of them by indulging in such activities with their murders in cold blood, better to use this platform to make a strong case abt terrorism against india, both militarily and diplomatically.

For God sake use yr brains for a second and think before u leap for once.

come on ,
join hizb ul mujahidin , jaish a muhammad , al qayada , isisil , attack india , establish a khilafat , then face MQM , QADIANI . SHIA, MASIHI .

 

[Umair Nawaz]

come on ,
join hizb ul mujahidin , jaish a muhammad , al qayada , isisil , attack india , establish a khilafat , then face MQM , QADIANI . SHIA, MASIHI .

none of yr business.

 

[GHALIB]

none of yr business.

lol................a gaye apni auqat par ........

 

[Wolf]

Whatever you want to do just keep into account what an ordinary Kashmiri who has lost his loved ones and who pin his hopes on Pakistan army will interpret it. A light chatter is another thing.

If Jammu radio receives Pak army soldier requests then it should be taken as a disciplinary matter.

Do remember, army will lose its credibility to question civilian leadership if it doesn't control such things.

Perceptions matter a lot. Regards

 

[Umair Nawaz]

lol................a gaye apni auqat par ........

last time i checked im a citizen of Pakistan commenting on matter relating to my country in my own country's defence forum, compare that with u.

so much for aukaat ehh?

 

[Rafi]

Come on dude. This isn’t pysops/planned clever show, it’s just human.

They are thorough professional's.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

They are thorough professional's.

Yes I’m sure they are, but they are also humans.

 

[blain2]

what bullshit circus! i have said it before and say it again that sending yr frontline troops in such events is that too SSG is utter bullshit!

This dramabazi must stop.

somebody really really needs to give a big danda to these armed forces people too......is that how u bloody defend this country??

Special Forces are not just about kinetic action, making dynamic entry and blowing up things. A big role that the SSG takes up is interaction with armed forces of the other countries and also the populace. A ton of time that SSG spends is on responsibilities like UNPK and FID training etc. These are done to enhance Pakistan's influence and image among other things such as given SF troops experience to operate in environment outside of their own locale. Special Forces are usually more flexible to take these roles on. As the SSG has grown in size, it can afford to send small detachments for such things.

Indian soft power showing it's deady hold over Pakistani's. Showing up the so called "Two Nation Theory" as fraud and bullshyt.

How so? You think just because Indians and Pakistanis were in the same place, Pakistanis should have stood in a corner sulking with stern faces while all of the other troops at the exercise mingled?

The two nation theory is as alive today as it was on the morning of Aug 14th 1947. Don't let anyone tell you that the separation of East Pakistan negated the theory. We are two different nations but that does not mean that we have to be at each others' throats all the time just to remind that "Two nation theory" is alive and kicking. What more could prove that than the fact that we have borders, we speak different languages, we practice different religions, we require visas and passports to visit each other.

Such exchanges open up opportunities for talks and discussions. Turks and Greeks meet up in NATO exercises and have fun. US and Chinese troops likewise. Lets not overthink this please. Two infantry detachment overseas from Pakistan and India are bound to find some affinity if the politics from back home are left out of professional interaction in a multinational ex.

Soch hai bhai.

In reality things are different.

My father served as an Observer team leader in Ivory Coast .. and yes indians were there.. including an indian lt col (who was a member of the team lead by my father) ... interactions with indians in third countries arent as aggressive as people think.

Yes, both sides have different opinions but thats for another time eh!?

They are NEVER aggressive unless there is a person who has an imbalance. Opinions on politics will always differ but that is to be expected.

Leaving that aside, both sides have professional soldiers. They do what they are ordered to do. There is no personal gripe in this affair. If they meet each other in foreign countries, they are supposed to do so with military courtesy and the norms of their respective service. I do not think there has ever been an episode of indiscipline or conflict between these two sides while serving with the UN.

I can understand the dancing since everyone there is indulging in it but going as far as getting a dothead on your forehead while wearing our uniform? Pathetic shameless display of ignorance.

I think it was a situation of being caught in the moment. All the senior officers were standing in a line and they were being accorded the Indian custom and the Pakistani officer was subjected to the same.

I honestly feel many here are making too big a deal out of this.

 

[khansaheeb]

Lets not humanise the enemy, it makes it harder to kill them

One of my Uncles , May Allah bless him with jannah and give his family Sabr, used to tell me stories about his time at the front line in Kashmir. He would be eyeball to eyeball with the Indian enemy a few yards apart.The Pakistani soldiers and Indian Soldiers would exchange food , play cards together , crack jokes etc but when the order came to fire, guns would be drawn and firing to kill started. One thing that I remember he complained of was the toughest survival training he was given. Dumped in the middle of nowhere with no food and water they had to survive for a week before a helicopter came and picked them up.

The Charge of the Light Brigade
BY ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON
I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

I was forced to learn this crap poem at school by my history teacher. If a single mistake , even a question mark comma or full stop then a detention was given and the written recital would have to be redone.