Pakistan Alouette III Replacement Options

[Green Tornado]

Here is the A3 still in service with all 3 branched of Pakistan military. What is the best option for Pakistan to replace this helicopter?

1. AW159 Wildcat

Is used by the Royal Navy and Army air corps in the UK. It also carries a crew of 2 pilots and 5 passengers/soldiers like the A3. It also has the same 2x engines that are used on the T-129 ATAK so that makes good logistics.

2. Develop a Helicopter
India also has large fleet of A3 helicopters and to replace it they are building this Light utility helicopter.

Its a single engine helicopter designed specifically to replace the A3. Maybe Pakistan should develop a similar helicopter to replace its own A3 fleet.

3. Eurocopter EC635

Also a light utility helicopter good for recon, surveillance combat support and transport up to 8 troops. Used by Iraqi army, Jordanian air force and Swiss air force.

 

[war&peace]

A two prong strategy is needed. (1) Develop a heli indigenously either through (a) ToTs, (b) JV or (c) pure research and (2) buy some off the shelf choppers to fill in the gap.

 

[Green Tornado]

A two prong strategy is needed. (1) Develop a heli indigenously either through (a) ToTs, (b) JV or (c) pure research and (2) buy some off the shelf choppers to fill in the gap.

Turkey is good option for JV.

 

[war&peace]

Turkey is good option for JV.

Turkey, China and any other country.. even a consortium of multiple countries similar to ones made for Eurofighter and F35.

 

[Path-Finder]

I say induct Z-20.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Depending on the number of helicopters needed, Pak should either go for some Chinese helicopter with ToT if possible or embark on a JV with Turkey. I doubt China would want a JV bcuz they already have developed their own helicopters to fulfill this need. In case of Turkey though a JV would be nice.

 

[Basel]

Here is the A3 still in service with all 3 branched of Pakistan military. What is the best option for Pakistan to replace this helicopter?
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1. AW159 Wildcat
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Is used by the Royal Navy and Army air corps in the UK. It also carries a crew of 2 pilots and 5 passengers/soldiers like the A3. It also has the same 2x engines that are used on the T-129 ATAK so that makes good logistics.

2. Develop a Helicopter
India also has large fleet of A3 helicopters and to replace it they are building this Light utility helicopter.

Its a single engine helicopter designed specifically to replace the A3. Maybe Pakistan should develop a similar helicopter to replace its own A3 fleet.

3. Eurocopter EC635
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Also a light utility helicopter good for recon, surveillance combat support and transport up to 8 troops. Used by Iraqi army, Jordanian air force and Swiss air force.

Fennec versions are in use with military, it may take Alouette-III's role.

 

[Green Tornado]

I say induct Z-20.

Not the same category.

 

[Rafi]

The Fox will replace it

 

[Cookie Monster]

The Fox will replace it

The fox?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Or this one

Z-11

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

For the Alouette III's scouting roles, they'll likely keep adding H125M Fennec.

For the Alouette III's search-and-rescue and utility roles, they'll probably buy more AW139.

IMO any collaborative effort with Turkey would have to be for a different platform, and that too with maximum possible scale. In other words, the target would have to be replacing the Puma and Sea King, which don't have clear successors yet. That would be 50+ helicopters, possibly more if fleet expansion, old Mi-17s, PAF and civil services are also factored in. In this case, the ideal project would be Turkey's 10-ton helicopter program.

 

[Ultima Thule]

For the Alouette III's scouting roles, they'll likely keep adding H125M Fennec.

For the Alouette III's search-and-rescue and utility roles, they'll probably buy more AW139.

IMO any collaborative effort with Turkey would have to be for a different platform, and that too with maximum possible scale. In other words, the target would have to be replacing the Puma and Sea King, which don't have clear successors yet. That would be 50+ helicopters, possibly more if fleet expansion, old Mi-17s, PAF and civil services are also factored in. In this case, the ideal project would be Turkey's 10-ton helicopter program.

How about this one sir
Z-20

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

How about this one sir
Z-20
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It can be an option if and when it's available for export. But bear in mind Turkey will be more willing for production work share, which means that whenever a Turkish helicopter is sold, PAC will get to always make a % of the parts and support work.

 

[Zarvan]

Here is the A3 still in service with all 3 branched of Pakistan military. What is the best option for Pakistan to replace this helicopter?
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1. AW159 Wildcat
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Is used by the Royal Navy and Army air corps in the UK. It also carries a crew of 2 pilots and 5 passengers/soldiers like the A3. It also has the same 2x engines that are used on the T-129 ATAK so that makes good logistics.

2. Develop a Helicopter
India also has large fleet of A3 helicopters and to replace it they are building this Light utility helicopter.

Its a single engine helicopter designed specifically to replace the A3. Maybe Pakistan should develop a similar helicopter to replace its own A3 fleet.

3. Eurocopter EC635
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Also a light utility helicopter good for recon, surveillance combat support and transport up to 8 troops. Used by Iraqi army, Jordanian air force and Swiss air force.

UH-72 A Lakota can be great option