Pakistan Air Force Transport

[Imran Khan]

They purchased IL-78 without lavatory?

let me remember you IL-78s were in use of airliners

 

[fatman17]

They purchased IL-78 without lavatory?

they use window of former tail-gunner....

 

[nomi007]

 

[Bratva]

they use window of former tail-gunner....

meaning ?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

hope we r not talking about the USD75m upgrade for the existing fleet?

No Sir, I thought so too in the beginning and took some time to confirm it from two sources, one a Sq. Leader and another very high in Defense Procurement. Six refurb a/c other the existing fleet, will be added starting next year.

 

[fatman17]

No Sir, I thought so too in the beginning and took some time to confirm it from two sources, one a Sq. Leader and another very high in Defense Procurement. Six refurb a/c other the existing fleet, will be added starting next year.

that is good news....

22 C-130's not bad...

 

[osama zafar]

it can and we do have enough planes for our requirement

 

[fatman17]

on another topic, a source is telling me that the IL-78MRTT experiment has not panned out due to high operating and maintenance costs. the aircraft are in desperate need of a cockpit and engine upgrade.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Yes my source also mentioned that. The a/c will go thru a number of upgrades. The operating cost of this a/c is better on longer routes specially when ferrying parts and equipment from EU n US.

 

[Arsalan]

Yes my source also mentioned that. The a/c will go thru a number of upgrades. The operating cost of this a/c is better on longer routes specially when ferrying parts and equipment from EU n US.

what are the chances that PAF will get that sorted and IL78 will get the required upgrades?
in case of C-138 or F-16 MLU usually we look towards USA and there FMF but no such thing is available for Il78. Well we be keeping them flying and in prime condition?
recently they have served us well in transporting missiles and parts of Jf-17 etc so need to keep them in prime condition.
You people have any idea about the PAF plans for this? how serious they are about this?

they use window of former tail-gunner....

indirectly, you are saying that we still employ tail gunners in our Il-78s

 

[fatman17]

what are the chances that PAF will get that sorted and IL78 will get the required upgrades?
in case of C-138 or F-16 MLU usually we look towards USA and there FMF but no such thing is available for Il78. Well we be keeping them flying and in prime condition?
recently they have served us well in transporting missiles and parts of Jf-17 etc so need to keep them in prime condition.
You people have any idea about the PAF plans for this? how serious they are about this?


indirectly, you are saying that we still employ tail gunners in our Il-78s

2 sources for IL-78 upgrades...Ukraine and Russia....Ukraine is out due to civil war which leaves the Russians as the source or an alternate source is China who is buying IL-78 in large numbers with the new uprated engines.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

As far as I know, because of the "tanker" role of the aircraft, it will be upgraded. These were not new a/c when bought. so logically, there would be some changes to suit to our needs.

Long Haul missions have been an issue for C-130 a/c and crews while ferrying arms and equipment from abroad. This a/c is suited for such missions in addition to its needed role of a tanker aircraft.

Furthermore, this a/c was added into the fleet to ensure Air Delivery of Nuclear Weapons remains a viable option in the face of threat from SU's.

So this a/c will remain in the fleet with necessary upgrades. The plane has the capacity and space to be upgraded including mission avionics.

 

[Donatello]

on another topic, a source is telling me that the IL-78MRTT experiment has not panned out due to high operating and maintenance costs. the aircraft are in desperate need of a cockpit and engine upgrade.

Not to mention the deafening roar of the engines, if you happen to be underneath it's landing/takeoff path.

 

[fatman17]

Not to mention the deafening roar of the engines, if you happen to be underneath it's landing/takeoff path.

thats why its restricted from landing at many airports in EU and USA.

 

[Arsalan]

2 sources for IL-78 upgrades...Ukraine and Russia....Ukraine is out due to civil war which leaves the Russians as the source or an alternate source is China who is buying IL-78 in large numbers with the new uprated engines.

As far as I know, because of the "tanker" role of the aircraft, it will be upgraded. These were not new a/c when bought. so logically, there would be some changes to suit to our needs.

Long Haul missions have been an issue for C-130 a/c and crews while ferrying arms and equipment from abroad. This a/c is suited for such missions in addition to its needed role of a tanker aircraft.

Furthermore, this a/c was added into the fleet to ensure Air Delivery of Nuclear Weapons remains a viable option in the face of threat from SU's.

So this a/c will remain in the fleet with necessary upgrades. The plane has the capacity and space to be upgraded including mission avionics.

But sir apart from the source for upgrade, the other most important think is will on PAF's part and the finance to carry out these upgrades. The question is what is the news from inner circles of PAF. WILL we get these upgraded and keep them operational. As you have also mentioned, the IL78 form an integral part of our air transport capabilities, not to mention in-flight refueling role they were primary bought for. These aircraft have already proven there worth in transporting arms from EU and continental America.