Pakistan Air Force Transport

[Kamakazi 69]

Well yeah, but the C-130, especially the newer 'J's are class beaters.
Although the Indians are pretty much happy with what they have.
Their tactical transport roles are fulfilled by the Antonov 'Curl' series, locally produced under the name 'Sutlej'.

They also have the options of multiple Ilyushins that they already have experience with like the IL-78, which is an awesome machine.

They also have Hawker Siddeley, which is a bit old but hey, its still doing the job.

They also have the Dornier 228, a small utility aircraft. Both the Hawker and the Dornier have excellent STOL capabilities (because they are prop. driven).

Coming back to the PAF, the only option we have is to get a couple of older Ilyushins cheap from third parties, or older C-130s. AND since the Americans are planning on replacing the AC-130 Spectre gunship, I'm pretty sure the PAF will be interested in a close-air support platform since we are retiring the A-5s soon.

 

[Arsalan]

Air to Air refueling tanker!

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Air to Air refueling tanker!

whats this arsalan? no image buddy!

 

[Arsalan]

well i cannot understand but this is not being displayed,
perhaps some problem with source adree.
i will like to find it from other source and then post it!!

regards!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Yesterday i talked to flt LT from chaklala air base and asked him about the IL-78 story... he did tell me that 2 were here for only evaluation and testing purpose and both were returned back.. how ever PAF will lease 4 in near future.

 

[Arsalan]

lease???
are you talking about those four that we have been listening about since a few months now!! will they be comming on lease??
i guess the previous reports were PAF purchasing four Il-78, i hope the ones you mentioned are other then those,, are they??

regards!

 

[Arsalan]

well growler one more think,,
can you kindly post further info in the following thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...irborne-refullers-paf-chief-2.html#post486331
there are many other members who will love to know the answer!

regards!

 

[Super Falcon]

India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has summarily cancelled the INR48 billion (USD1.06 billion) tender for six multirole tanker transports (MRTTs) for the Indian Air Force (IAF), for which the EADS-built Airbus Military A330 MRTT was the preferred choice.

In 2008 the IAF had recommended the A330 MRTT over the rival Russian Ilyushin Il-78, of which it acquired six in 2004 for INR8 billion.

However, ignoring its evaluation following years of extended trials, the MoD dispatched a cryptic letter to EADS in New Delhi on 4 January withdrawing the tender, which IAF sources indicated was on the 'verge' of closure.

MoD sources said the MRTT requirement would now be retendered, resulting in interminable delays.

"It will now take many more years to shortlist another MRTT unless the MoD insists we acquire the Il-78s against our better judgement," an IAF officer said, declining to be identified.

The terminated tender required Airbus to deliver the first A330 MRTT to the IAF within three years of signing the deal and the remaining five within 15 months thereafter.

EADS officials in Delhi declined to comment on the tender's withdrawal, but defence industry sources said "vested interests" had influenced the federal Cabinet meeting on 29 December 2009 that decided to cancel the acquisition of the badly needed MRTTs.

Military sources said that, despite entreaties not to do so by the IAF, Defence Minister A K Antony agreed to cancel the MRTT purchase after the federal finance ministry raised objections on grounds of the A330's high cost



million dollar deal and party of indian airforce has been spoiled by airbus

 

[Super Falcon]

Company achieved (Airbus Military) recently, the first flights of multiple transfer functions (A400M) successfully and are ready to perform operational tasks and humanity. The plane is larger than conventional aircraft and more flexible. It relies on an elaborate technology professionals from civil airspace to fly faster, farther and carry the most useful. Used on the plane (A400M) dual technology gives pilots the advanced capabilities not currently exist on board the other aircraft in this category. Has been designed according to standards adopted for the area of civil air and, when necessary according to the requirements of military specifications. Used this platform the latest technology used in aircraft company (Airbus) Civil, which includes a glass cockpit and side-stick controller to operate the flight control cables. Will be used by pilots in the aircraft (A400M) screens with a raised as a basic flight instruments enhanced large multi-screen display functions and enhanced in some models based vision. The company (Thales) are the main suppliers of systems, screens in the cockpit aircraft (A400M). Can be found also in the advanced technology avionics system in the plane, which covers all the requirements of navigation and flight controls and electrical systems and processing systems, such as beneficiaries doors. Systems include the company (Thales) a large percentage of the overall electronics systems on board the aircraft (A400M). Therefore plays a key role in launching the drone in the market. He has served about 300 employees in a company (Thales) annually on the development of systems on board the plane (A400M) since the launch of the program in 2005. Solution provides the company (Thales) innovative flight crews with all the data they need him on the plane flight, and has provided the company also Likened to a full flight crew training aircraft (A400M), which is the first military aircraft equipped with a built-in avionics design ready (IMA - modular) which constitutes a major technical development of global importance. Developed a compact avionics for the aircraft originally (A380), was later adapted specifically to suit the specific requirements of the aircraft (A400M), which have been adapted to meet the military requirements of resistance to the highest levels of vibration and promote harmony electric and magnetic system of protection against lightning. The integrated avionics design ready (IMA) a quantum leap technologically innovative and compatible with all computing designs ready on board and able to support different uses. The integrated control system screen display (CDS), designed by the company (Thales), on board the plane (A400M), is for the first time the use of interactive screens and can be re-designed military transport plane on the other. The designed control system screen display (CDS) for the flexibility, features eight large screens measuring 68 inches interactive work Balblor liquid (LCD) is consistent with the navigation (NVG) and derived from the system has been developed for aircraft (A380

 

[Super Falcon]

The Ilyushin IL-78 air-to-air refuelling tanker aircraft is a four-engine tanker principally used for in-flight refuelling. It was designed and developed on the basis of a similar predecessor, the IL-76, and has the Nato reporting name Midas. The maiden flight of IL-78 took place on 26 June 1983 and the aircraft entered into service in 1984.About 53 aircraft are currently operational worldwide.

The IL-78 aircraft can refuel a maximum of four planes simultaneously on the ground. It can also be used as a military transport aircraft for air drop and air landing of cargo and crew.

IL-78 variants

The IL-78 has five variants, namely IL-78T, IL-78M, IL-78ME, IL-78MKI, and IL-78MP.

IL-78T is an alternative version of the IL-78 primarily used for holding all cargo handling equipment and convertible freight.

Another variant, the IL-78M, is a consecrate tanker aircraft designed to perform only refuelling operations without being able to be converted into transport aircraft. It is equipped with three permanent fuselage tanks. The IL-78M took its maiden flight on 7 March 1987.

"The IL-78 aircraft can be used as a military transport aircraft for air drop and air landing of cargo and crew."The IL-78ME is an export version of IL-78M.

The IL-78MKI is a tailor-made variant of IL-78M and is equipped with Israeli fuel-transferring systems. These aircraft were deployed by the Indian Air Force (IAF) and can refuel six to eight Sukhoi Su-30MKIs in a single operation. The variant took its maiden flight on 11 January 2003.

The IL-78MP is a multipurpose aerial-refuelling tanker or transport aircraft. It is fitted with removable fuel tanks in the cargo hold and UPAZ refuelling pods. These aircraft are deployed by the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) and can be easily converted to transport aircraft by removing the fuel tanks.

Midas orders and deliveries

In December 2008, the PAF signed an agreement with Ukraine to procure four IL-78 refuelling aircraft equipped with Russian-designed UPAZ refuelling pods.

The first IL-78 aircraft was delivered in December 2009 with the remaining three scheduled for delivery in mid 2010.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) placed an order for six IL-78s in 2003. The first refuelling aircraft equipped with Israeli-made aerial refuelling pods was delivered to IAF in March 2003. The IL-78 has a total fuel carrying capacity of 110,000kg.

The deliveries to IAF were completed in 2004.

IL-78 development

The IL-78 is derived from the IL-76. It was designed and developed by Ilyushin Aviation Complex, Russia to meet the requirements of Russian Air Force.

The aircraft was developed as part of the tanker project in 1982 to enhance the transferable fuel load of the earlier version IL-76. The IL-78 was developed as a three point air-to-air probe and drogue tanker aircraft and can deliver fuel at the rate of 900l to 2,200l a minute.

The new-generation aircraft (IL-78) is equipped with two removable 18,230l fuel tanks installed in the freight hold affording a transferable load of 85,720kg (188,584lb) with hold tanks and 57,720kg (126,984lb) without hold tanks as compared with the IL-76's transferable fuel load of 10,000kg. It is also fitted with a fuel jettison system at the wing tips.

The IL-78M variant is fitted with an additional freight hold tank on the fuselage section. It has increased the transferable fuel to 105,720kg (233,070lb) and the maximum take-off weight (MTOW) to 210,000kg to strengthen the wing torsion box. All cargo doors and cargo handling equipment were removed from the aircraft, reducing the structural weight by 5,000kg. Out of the total 138,000kg cargo, only 105,720kg is transferable.

A convertible refuelling tanker aircraft, the IL-78MK is developed based on the IL-78M. The IL-78MK can refuel three types of aircraft simultaneously in air or four aircraft on the ground using traditional refuelling tubes extending from the cargo hold.

The IL-78MK-90 is derived from IL-78MK. It is powered by PS-90A-76 turbofan engine, which has increased the cruise speed to 850km/h. The take-off and landing distances of the IL-78MK-90 are 1,550m and 40m respectively.

Refuelling

The primary air fuel transfer method is done through the UPAZ-1A (Il-78) or UPAZ-1M (Il-78M) refuelling units equipped to the outer wings and rear fuselage controlled by an operator located at the flight engineer's station in the cockpit. The receiver's aircraft is equipped with homing radar behind a broad flat aft-facing radome, which facilitates the efficient refuelling process.

"The IL-78 aircraft can refuel a maximum of four planes simultaneously on the ground."The IL-78 is fitted with wing-tip hose and drogue air refuelling pods. The receiving aircraft approaches the tanker and its probe makes contact with a hose reeled out and trailed from the tanker.

Inside the refuelling pods, a collapsible funnel-shaped drogue is attached to a hose, which is reeled out to trail behind the wing of the aircraft. The hose is fitted with a constant tension spring to give stability while it is extended.

IL-78 cockpit

The IL-78 has a glass cockpit that features five seats for two pilots, a communication officer, a navigator and a flight engineer. The two pilots sit at the front of the cockpit and just behind it is a seat reserved for the flight engineer. The outer corner of the flight engineer's seat is meant for the communication officer. One deck below the glass nose is the navigator's chair.

Avionics

The avionics of the IL-78 include an integrated (automated) flight control and navigation system with a compass system, ground surveillance radar, a central digital computer, an automatic monitoring (AMS) and automatic flight control system (AFCS), a short-haul radio navigation and landing system, an identification friend or foe transponder (IFF), an optical / infrared aiming sight and a ground collision warning system (GCWS).

Other avionics installed in the aircraft include distance measuring equipment (DME), dual very-high-frequency (VHF) navigation / communication and X-band colour weather radar in the nose.

It is also fitted with a traffic collision avoidance system (TCAS), a global positioning system (GPS), a cockpit voice recorder / flight data recorder (CVR/FDR), an instrument landing system (ILS) and a tactical aid for navigation (TACAN) system.

Cargo

Six crew and up to 138,000kg cargo can be carried on the cargo deck above the refuelling systems.

Engine

The IL-78 is powered by four Aviadvigatel D-30 KP turbofan engines. Each engine can produce a maximum take-off thrust of 118kN. It is a two-shaft, low-bypass turbofan engine equipped with two spool compressor and mixed flow.

The D-30 KP turbofan engine is primarily used for short-haul airplanes for passenger transportation. The length and fan tip diameter of the engine are 3.98m and 1.05m respectively.

IL-78 performance

The IL-78 can fly at a maximum speed of 850km/h. The range and service ceiling of the aircraft are 7,300km and 12,000m respectively. The aircraft weighs around 72,000kg and the maximum take-off weight is 210,000kg



this crap only refuel 4 aircraft dammit american one refuel around 20 to 30 aircrafts

 

[Sapper]

this crap only refuel 4 aircraft dammit american one refuel around 20 to 30 aircrafts

Dear,

1. American refuelers can refuel max 20~30 planes in a single flight ... correct, although its bit of a stretch, but nevertheless correct. But so can IL78, because with 80,000kg+ of transferable load, if divided equally among 20 planes comes to be 4,000kg+ fuel per aircraft, if divided among 30 planes comes out to be 2,667kg+ fuel per aircraft, which is almost the entire fuel capacity of F16/Mirage3-5/JF17 class single engined fighter. The transferable fuel capacity is more than sufficient. And by the way 32 aircraft constitute 2 complete squadrons (almost) and refueling 2 squadrons is hell of a deal.

2. If you think that the figure of 3~4 refuelable aircrafts being discussed is the "total" number of planes to be fueled in a single flight, you will be shocked to know that its actually the simultaneous refuel capacity, meaning 3 aircraft can simultaneously hook on and refuel at a given time. Once they get their fuel, they disengage and another 3 planes hook on and quench their thirst, so on and so forth until tanker is empty at about 25~30th plane.

3. And, If you mean that American Boom Style Configuration allows for 20~30 refueling aircrafts simultaneously, your mental checkup is pending and if you wish i can recommend some very good Psychiatrists. Boom style refueling only allows for 1 aircraft refueling at one time, but due to compressed refueling, the fuel transfer is very fast.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[Wingman]

You reminded me of this video where LAPES went wrong

YouTube - Military Air Drop Bloopers

I really enjoyed watching the video

 

[Wingman]

Shehbazi...

Just for discussion sake, judge the two scenarios…lets say how much effort will be required to load any military vehicle onto a Boeing 777 at a fully manned ,paved tarmac ….compared to….loading the same vehicle onto a C-130 at an unprepared forward military airfield somewhere in desert......in case of C-130 ,trust me, you will only need two persons and probably two minutes…one person to drive and other to guide him inside the aircraft….

While we can go at lengths to compare the Hi vs Lo wing designs, the hi wing is always preferred for military aircraft such as the C-130, C-5 and C17 ,so they can achieve quick loading and unloading as you do not want the planes sitting on the ground for long periods of time as they make easy targets. The capability of "ro-ro" (roll on, roll off) loading can only be achieved in high wing aircraft….

Also, the military transport aircraft must be able to operate of unprepared landing areas...this includes gravel, sand, grass, composite mat etc...With the engines mounted higher up....there is less chance of ingestion of FOD (foreign object damage like pebbles, nuts, metal pieces or other looses objects etc…)

Although the high wing is a more stable design, but somehow the low wing design suits the requirements of Civilian world(airliners etc)…they only operate from prepared surfaces and BTW it is cheaper to make a low wing design which is the primary concern with civilian aircraft designers... On other hand, with military planes, cost is a secondary consideration. The primary consideration for military planes is the ability to complete the mission in shortest possible time and survive damage.

P.S …Have you ever seen a bird with low wings?. .. God came up with the perfect design and we should benefit from that…

Thanks a Million X Man, you elaborated superbly

 

[Wingman]

CN235... A high winged aircraft

 

[Wingman]