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[The Eagle]

The export variant of J-10C might be called J-10CE. The latest rumor (July 2019) suggested that a new batch of J-10C powered by the indigenous WS-10B turbofan without the TVC nozzle has been in production.

- Last Updated 8/1/19

That surely is confirm or close to that. Couple of days ago, a poster showing J-20 & J-10 bids farewell to Russian engine and then, few pictures with low resolution observes the new engine. That is a breakthrough by China indeed.

 

[Tamiyah]

I also saw some picture that are of J10 with WS-10 engine.

The export variant of J-10C might be called J-10CE. The latest rumor (July 2019) suggested that a new batch of J-10C powered by the indigenous WS-10B turbofan without the TVC nozzle has been in production.

- Last Updated 8/1/19

 

[Aryeih Leib]

International customer launch order for M346FA

Leonardo, an Italian multinational company specialising in aerospace, defence and security, has secured a launch order from a 'major international customer' for six M346FA fighter attack aircraft.

This FA variant (Fighter Attack), developed from the Advanced Jet Trainer variant of the former Aermacchi M346, the T-346 Master. This new optimized variant is a multi-role lightweight fighter aircraft equipped with multi-mode Grifo-346 radar and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It features a digital glass cockpit accommodating two crew members in tandem configuration. It can carry an extensive variety of air-to-air and air-ground weapons (IR, Radar, laser/GPS guided and un-guided) and several external loads including gun, reconnaissance, target designation or electronic warfare pods.

The M346FA was unveiled during the Paris Air Show in 2017 and immediately attracted the interest of many nations. The aircraft is being marketed for export to South American and East Asian countries, and is claimed to be able to carry out operational missions at far lower costs than those of front-line fighters.

The 'major international customer' is still unknown. But it is no secret, that Leonardo remains confident that it can sell the M346FA to Argentina, despite the rumour that this country has already selected the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 Fighting Eagle to be its new interim fighter aircraft. Time will tell which country will appear as the launching international customer.

Source : Scramble magazine

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan don t need TVC. TVC only good for acrobats , in real war scenario it has no role. When the plane activates TVC, it slows down and consume more fuel. Which is lethal for any strike or interceptor role

This model is without TVC

 

[fatman17]

International customer launch order for M346FA

Leonardo, an Italian multinational company specialising in aerospace, defence and security, has secured a launch order from a 'major international customer' for six M346FA fighter attack aircraft.

This FA variant (Fighter Attack), developed from the Advanced Jet Trainer variant of the former Aermacchi M346, the T-346 Master. This new optimized variant is a multi-role lightweight fighter aircraft equipped with multi-mode Grifo-346 radar and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It features a digital glass cockpit accommodating two crew members in tandem configuration. It can carry an extensive variety of air-to-air and air-ground weapons (IR, Radar, laser/GPS guided and un-guided) and several external loads including gun, reconnaissance, target designation or electronic warfare pods.

The M346FA was unveiled during the Paris Air Show in 2017 and immediately attracted the interest of many nations. The aircraft is being marketed for export to South American and East Asian countries, and is claimed to be able to carry out operational missions at far lower costs than those of front-line fighters.

The 'major international customer' is still unknown. But it is no secret, that Leonardo remains confident that it can sell the M346FA to Argentina, despite the rumour that this country has already selected the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 Fighting Eagle to be its new interim fighter aircraft. Time will tell which country will appear as the launching international customer.

Source : Scramble magazine

Why post here and PAF is not the customer

 

[messiach]

Very interesting news for turbine engineers. Whats the source?

The export variant of J-10C might be called J-10CE. The latest rumor (July 2019) suggested that a new batch of J-10C powered by the indigenous WS-10B turbofan without the TVC nozzle has been in production.

- Last Updated 8/1/19

 

[fatman17]

Very interesting news for turbine engineers. Whats the source?

It's a Chinese Web site, usually quite accurate

 

[HAIDER]

This model is without TVC

Yes, that's my argument, TVC is more cosmetic then real time.

 

[messiach]

NGFA is on track then.

It's a Chinese Web site, usually quite accurate

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Sir some time ago some members were saying paf will these trainers so I thought
That undisclosed buyer will be PAF

Why post here and PAF is not the customer

Yes Israel has ordered the armed version of this jet

 

[fatman17]

Sir some time ago some members were saying paf will these trainers so I thought
That undisclosed buyer will be PAF Yes Israel has ordered the armed version of this jet

Okay, no worries

 

[fatman17]

That surely is confirm or close to that. Couple of days ago, a poster showing J-20 & J-10 bids farewell to Russian engine and then, few pictures with low resolution observes the new engine. That is a breakthrough by China indeed.

Eventually they will master the technology, they have with most everything else.

 

[Beethoven]

NGFA is on track then.

M'am why do i get this impression that AZM will be employing chinese turbofans...

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Sir some time ago some members were saying paf will these trainers so I thought
That undisclosed buyer will be PAF Yes Israel has ordered the armed version of this jet

In a May 2019 interview with Alan Warnes, the PAF CAS did say that the PAF is pursuing a LIFT, and that they evaluated the KAI/LM T-50, AVIC L-15, and Leonardo M-346. It'd be interesting if the customer of the M-346FA is actually Israel, not sure why Leonardo would shy away from disclosing the country name in that case. I suspect it's either Azebaijan, Malaysia, Argentina, or Pakistan.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

In a May 2019 interview with Alan Warnes, the PAF CAS did say that the PAF is pursuing a LIFT, and that they evaluated the KAI/LM T-50, AVIC L-15, and Leonardo M-346. It'd be interesting if the customer of the M-346FA is actually Israel, not sure why Leonardo would shy away from disclosing the country name in that case. I suspect it's either Azebaijan, Malaysia, Argentina, or Pakistan.

Sir,
It is interesting to note that M-346 was a joint venture between Russia and Italy which was abandoned because of sanctions imposed by USA on Russia, Russia however modified and improved on the M346 to produce YAK-140 and the Chinese developed the L-15 with some collaboration with Russia. All these aircraft have one thing in common that is these are twin engined aircraft.

KAI/LM T-50 is a mini F-16 using a single F-18 engine. T-50 that are being flown in Korean Air Force have not gone through upgrades that USAF had requested LM for. The upgrades are designed similar to F-16 block upgrades. This aircraft uses a single General Electric F404-102 turbofan engine with Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) system. The engine consists of three-staged fans, seven axial stage arrangement, and an afterburner. The aircraft has a maximum speed of Mach 1.5. Its engine produces a maximum of 78.7 kN (17,700 lbf) of thrust with afterburner making it the only supersonic LIFT platform.

Paf has historically relied more on single engined platforms but there were many twin engined aircraft flown as well by PAF. The Karakorum 8 that is being used is a single engined aircraft but it is only used as an intermediate trainer where as F-6T (now decommissioned) was used for supersonic flight training which added both expense and time. Since this is gone supersonic training is done on OCU aircraft and simulators. Though training done on simulators is far more advance and beyond what can be achieved in a real aircraft still some consider that it is not the real thing (something I personally disagree).

Irrespective to what were the parameters set by PAF for evaluation of LIFT platforms would it not be in the best interest to have something that can give both transonic and supersonic capability with also attack capability and limited area deniability.