Pakistan Air Force gets TPS-77 latest American radar system

[ejaz007]

HQ-9 and FT-2000 are in a way related systems. FT-2000 is the export version of HQ-9 equipped with an anti radiation seeker. It has not entered service in large numbers due to lack of interest from foreign buyers. It's early to say if it has been abandoned.

HQ-9 Surface-to-Air Missile System - SinoDefence.com

 

[fatman17]

HQ-9 and FT-2000 are in a way related systems. FT-2000 is the export version of HQ-9 equipped with an anti radiation seeker. It has not entered service in large numbers due to lack of interest from foreign buyers. It's early to say if it has been abandoned.

HQ-9 Surface-to-Air Missile System - SinoDefence.com

lack of interest due to inferior technology!

 

[JK!]

FT2000 has been abandoned by the chinese due to technical problems and technology advancements in the west.

True but I can't see the Russians offering S300 and Pakistan doesn't have the cash for PAC3.

 

[IceCold]

Perhaps what we can do is that we can go for the HQ-9 system and then as pakistan has experience with missile technology and gains more experience with the induction of HQ-9 SAM system, we can modify the system to suit our requirements and then perhaps with the experience then gained can initiate our own long range SAM system programe which could be a mixture of the technology used in HQ-9 as well as developed on our own for the next generation SAM system or better yet why dont we start developing a joint venture for a next generation SAM system which could serve the needs of both China and pakistan considering the fact that HQ-9 has unsatisfactory results.
Just my 2 cents on the issue.

 

[IceCold]

True but I can't see the Russians offering S300 and Pakistan doesn't have the cash for PAC3.

You never know when the real ice breaks in the relationship of the two countires however it wouldnt be that soon and we are in a dire need of a long range SAM system.

 

[JK!]

You never know when the real ice breaks in the relationship of the two countires however it wouldnt be that soon and we are in a dire need of a long range SAM system.

Hopefully the current situation will change as I think if the Russians were more open to Pakistan we would pursue more arms from them.

 

[Neo]

We will get six of these radars. VERA is being used by the PA.

Webby, can you confirm this? As far as I know VERA is still being evaluated by PA, its not been purchased.

 

[EagleEyes]

Webby, can you confirm this? As far as I know VERA is still being evaluated by PA, its not been purchased.

Yes, its not purchased. But now can be purchased. The U.S. lifted sanctions just yesterday, as there is no longer any need. VERA is still on lease and being "used" or being evaluated.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

VERA is Czeck though - so why the linkage with the US? Have they lobbied against the sale due to concerns wrt China?

 

[EagleEyes]

VERA is Czeck though - so why the linkage with the US? Have they lobbied against the sale due to concerns wrt China?

I dont understand the link age system. Basically what i understand is that the ground radars are used to (track) communicate with the fighter aircrafts to neutralize the enemies aircrafts.. while the sub-defense systems have their own radar to engage within their limits. Let me know if i am wrong.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Webby,

What I meant to ask was why the US had any say in the sale of this system to Pakistan, since it is Czech.

 

[EagleEyes]

Webby,

What I meant to ask was why the US had any say in the sale of this system to Pakistan, since it is Czech.

Just like many of the countries from Europe imposed sanctions on Pakistan after nuclear test and then restrictions based on the "dictatorship".

U.S. is one of the countries who has lifted the sanctions officially and many others will follow in Europe including Czech... so i am guessing we might just be able to buy the radar as well.

 

[T-Rex]

Pakistan should work on developing its own long range SAMs. I f they can develop cruise missiles I'm sure they can develop SAMs. I beleive PAC has already successfully overhauled one old radar system. The development of the radars and the SAMs should go on simultaneously.

 

[ejaz007]

Russian Pakistan relations are slowly but steadily improving. A lot depends on the India MRCA decision. If that contract goes to americans the ice will melt quicker and sooner.

 

[MastanKhan]

Icecold---T rex,

Just because the last word is 'MISSILE' doesnot mean that they are similiar---ie the surface to air and the surface to surface. They are two different weapons systems, with different design parameters, different technologies and a different modus operandi.

The next step is the range---the farther the missile is launched away from the target, the exponential difference of technology involved is multifolds---to a layman---that means---the difference in shooting a target at 500 meters with a .308 sniper rifle compared to shooting the same target at 2000 meters with a .50 calibre rifle. As the ballistics, opticals and weather changes are taken into account so is the one round one kill at 500 meters is taken into account as compared to three to five shots neccessary needed to take down the target at 2000 plus meters. The issue is that for an incoming object at a high rate of speed, three to five rounds are one too many.

Longer the distance, the higher the factor of improbability becomes, which means that the missile will miss its target more often than not. Now looking at what happened with the FT 2000, seems like china is missing some critical elements in its technology for a 150 miles missile---if china could not find a solution for the troubles---I don't think pakistan has the ability or the know how to do anything about it.