Pakistan Air Force gets TPS-77 latest American radar system

[IceCold]

Icecold---T rex,

Just because the last word is 'MISSILE' doesnot mean that they are similiar---ie the surface to air and the surface to surface. They are two different weapons systems, with different design parameters, different technologies and a different modus operandi.

True! however we must also keep into consideration the experience that Pakistan gained with the development of the ANZA series initially obtained from china. We are seriously lacking in this field and will have to start at some point and HQ-9 IMO will be an ideal platform to begin with. At the present stage we have no experience in developing a long range SAM system and we do not have the resources to re-invent the wheel. What we can do however is that once we get the HQ-9 system and we start producing it locally, we will gain valuable experience from it and perhaps then with the experience gained we can modify it. You mentioned a point in your post that the chinese could not improve the performance how could we? True however you must also keep in mind that unlike china we do have access to western technology, and it wouldnt take long for pakistan to figure a way out to incorporate western technology into the system.
The same principle that we applied on the JF-17 programe. Initially co-developed with china and now incorporating western avonics into it.

 

[Titanium]

Webby,

What I meant to ask was why the US had any say in the sale of this system to Pakistan, since it is Czech.

Coz, US company "Rannoch Corporation, based in Alexandria, Virginiaa" acquired czech company ERA.

 

[T-Rex]

I wonder why the US government has suddenly decided to supply Pakistan with these latest technologies. Of course they don't come with TOT, but still it makes highly suspicious. Usually the US has something up its sleeves, the question is what is that as far as this radar system is concerned. Perhaps the US does not want Pakistan to develop its own systems.

 

[MastanKhan]

Icecold,

You are a good kid, but not a very good example. Long range ground to air missiles are a totally different kind of beast---the longer their range is the bigger the difference of the multiplier effect of the technology involved is. In laymans words---if the standard of technology to make an anza on a scale of 1-----1000 is 50, then the numerical value attached to a 250 km range missile with a 90 % kill ratio would be a number over 1000 and that of the missile which shot down an incoming satellite, the factor would be in the range of 5000---yes five thousand. What I am saying is that there is so much gap in technologies between these two, it is mind boggling.

The difference is like between your regular optical microscope to that of an electron microscope.

The only exposure that pakistan have of western equipment is mostly in aesthetics---pakistan has no access to western equipment per say---it cannot open any sealed panels, it cannot open and repair any cicuitary, it cannot open any cpu's----there are a lots of limitations that pakistan has---now as an end user---pakistan can make suggestions to the manufacturer to make any changes in the system to make it better and the manufacturer can accept it.

Now, ground to ground targets are a different thing---the variables are at a minimal. The target is standing still. So, our ground to ground missile system, which does not require that much finness, is very successful.

T-REX,

Again, you are a good kid, but nobody is correcting you and sending your thinking process in the right direction.

What pakistan is getting today from the u s, was finalised 3-5 plus years ago---the order was placed---funds were released---but there were other orders ahead of them---it takes awhile to get your order delivered.

"Perhaps the US does not want Pakistan to develop its own systems".

Kid---I haven't smoked any good stuff, If I give you my address, can you please send me the stuff that you are using, so that I can look through the same prizm glass that you are looking through and get the same feel good feeling.

 

[Always Neutral]

Icecold,

You are a good kid, but not a very good example. Long range ground to air missiles are a totally different kind of beast---the longer their range is the bigger the difference of the multiplier effect of the technology involved is. In laymans words---if the standard of technology to make an anza on a scale of 1-----1000 is 50, then the numerical value attached to a 250 km range missile with a 90 % kill ratio would be a number over 1000 and that of the missile which shot down an incoming satellite, the factor would be in the range of 5000---yes five thousand. What I am saying is that there is so much gap in technologies between these two, it is mind boggling.

The difference is like between your regular optical microscope to that of an electron microscope.

The only exposure that pakistan have of western equipment is mostly in aesthetics---pakistan has no access to western equipment per say---it cannot open any sealed panels, it cannot open and repair any cicuitary, it cannot open any cpu's----there are a lots of limitations that pakistan has---now as an end user---pakistan can make suggestions to the manufacturer to make any changes in the system to make it better and the manufacturer can accept it.

Now, ground to ground targets are a different thing---the variables are at a minimal. The target is standing still. So, our ground to ground missile system, which does not require that much finness, is very successful.

T-REX,

Again, you are a good kid, but nobody is correcting you and sending your thinking process in the right direction.

What pakistan is getting today from the u s, was finalised 3-5 plus years ago---the order was placed---funds were released---but there were other orders ahead of them---it takes awhile to get your order delivered.

"Perhaps the US does not want Pakistan to develop its own systems".

Kid---I haven't smoked any good stuff, If I give you my address, can you please send me the stuff that you are using, so that I can look through the same prizm glass that you are looking through and get the same feel good feeling.

Well said.

 

[fatman17]

I wonder why the US government has suddenly decided to supply Pakistan with these latest technologies. Of course they don't come with TOT, but still it makes highly suspicious. Usually the US has something up its sleeves, the question is what is that as far as this radar system is concerned. Perhaps the US does not want Pakistan to develop its own systems.

the US has not suddenly decided to supply these radars. one dosnt shop at wal-mart for such stuff. the order was placed in 2002-03.

 

[Safriz]

Where are these radars deployed?

Then Rahman Malik says..
Pakistani radars cant track drones..
These ones sure can.

 

[Jango]

Safriz, you just got owned by Rehman Malik!!!!

There are 2 things that I never trust, neither should you, twitter rumors, and Rehman Malik!

There is a general opinion among the public, that we can't shoot down or track the drones due to a lack of technology required to do so. A drone is a slow moving target, and is easy meat for a F-7 interceptor or a SAM installation.

 

[VCheng]

........
There is a general opinion among the public, that we can't shoot down or track the drones due to a lack of technology required to do so. A drone is a slow moving target, and is easy meat for a F-7 interceptor or a SAM installation.

Here you go, about 2 hours ago (10/06/12):

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from: Israeli air force shoots down drone aircraft | Reuters

Israeli air force shoots down drone aircraft

(Reuters) - The Israeli air force shot down a drone after it crossed into southern Israel on Saturday, the military said, but it remained unclear where the aircraft had come from.

The drone was first spotted above the Mediterranean Sea in the area of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip to the west of Israel, said military spokeswoman Avital Leibovich.

It was kept under surveillance and followed by Israeli air force jets before it was shot down above a forest in an unpopulated area near the border with the occupied West Bank.

Leibovich said it was shot down at about 10 a.m. (0700 GMT), after it traveled east some 35 miles across Israel's southern Negev desert.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak praised the interception as "sharp and effective".

"We view with great gravity the attempt to compromise Israeli air space and will consider our response in due course," Barak said in a statement.

Soldiers were searching the area for the remains of the drone, which security sources said most likely did not originate from the Gaza Strip. It was not immediately clear whether it was armed.

On at least one occasion, Iranian-backed Hezbollah, a Shi'ite group in Lebanon, has launched a drone into Israel. And in 2010, an Israeli warplane shot down an apparently unmanned balloon in the Negev near the country's Dimona nuclear reactor.

(Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch and Amir Cohen; Editing by Myra MacDonald)

 

[Safriz]

Safriz, you just got owned by Rehman Malik!!!!

There are 2 things that I never trust, neither should you, twitter rumors, and Rehman Malik!

There is a general opinion among the public, that we can't shoot down or track the drones due to a lack of technology required to do so. A drone is a slow moving target, and is easy meat for a F-7 interceptor or a SAM installation.

Going by this thread,Pakistan has these AESA radars since 2008.
Yet RM has the audacity to claim that Pakistan cant track drones.