Mir,
Muktar Mai rings a bell.
Golden Temple, Where did you get that piece of Information?
What does Mukhtaran Mai have anything to do with this? In that poor lady's case, it was not the state apparatus that dishonored her.
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Mir,
Muktar Mai rings a bell.
Golden Temple, Where did you get that piece of Information?
I am not too sure if I share your enthusiasm about this working. God willing, this will be resolved peacefully in an amicable manner.
I think both sides want to fight.I am not too sure if I share your enthusiasm about this working. God willing, this will be resolved peacefully in an amicable manner.
I would love to see that just to get our women to fight and get them some scores on the board.
It's a stupid Madrassa, storm it already. In fact it would be the FIRST step for the President. First of many. If it goes according to plan, then precedent would be set to storm Madrassas and one by one the bad ones can be taken out.
These people are not letting go of their Jhahil ways and are dragging us down to hell with them, so the President has my OK to do whatever is necessary.
Of course but then on the flip side Musharraf has to deal with these sort of people too...Your OK may not be sufficient in this case ...there would be immense blowback to a military operation even if it was launched after the madrassa folks killed people...the Mullah party will take full advantage so military option should be left off the table. The mullah party is counting on the govt to use strong armed tactics here so they can gain mileage out of it as they did in the CJ case. At least I would strongly advise against playing into the hands of the other side (but then my opinion counts for zilch).
There are other ways to take care of this. They can simply block entry and exit out of the madrassa. Choke off supplies if the other side persists on its illogical demands....very many options exist aside from the forceful ones.
The stage is being set for action. Thing is if this works out in Islamabad then Musharraf can keep on doing this all over the country. There actually aren't many options. They've threatened with guns. They've made plans to open religious courts of their own, they now want video shops to close down as well.Karachi protest at Sharia mosque
Tens of thousands of people have protested in the Pakistani city of Karachi against a radical mosque and its religious schools in Islamabad.
The chief cleric of the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque), Abdul Aziz, had announced a Taleban-style Islamic court would be set up to curb "vulgar" activities.
He also gave the government a month to close video shops and brothels.
The protest organisers, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), branded the mosque "religious terrorists".
Fatwa
The MQM is largely supportive of the policies of President Pervez Musharraf.
MQM leader Altaf Hussain told Sunday's rally by telephone from London via loudspeakers: "Islam is a religion of peace and there is no place in it for using force or terrorism.
"The people of Islamabad are insecure and under threat due to the activities of these religious terrorists."
Abdul Aziz is a vocal critic of the Pakistan government's support for the US-led "war on terrorism".
Last week he announced a court based on Islamic Sharia law and began an anti-vice campaign.
The court passed a fatwa on Tourism Minister Nilofar Bakhtiar after she was pictured hugging a man following a paragliding flight.
Mr Aziz has also threatened to "take action" if the government moved against his mosque.
Analysts say Gen Musharraf has been criticised for not taking a harder line but may be reluctant in an election year.
Golden temple was minority and an easy task, Indian government got away with that all, this is a different situation, negotiation is the only way out as the issue is only one school, we dont need to spread it all over the country.
Of course but then on the flip side Musharraf has to deal with these sort of people too...
The stage is being set for action. Thing is if this works out in Islamabad then Musharraf can keep on doing this all over the country. There actually aren't many options. They've threatened with guns. They've made plans to open religious courts of their own, they now want video shops to close down as well.
So only a peaceful surrender can be negotiated.
Otherwise as we have it, either we use force on them now. Or they would be using it on us later.
To all Pakistanis who have been accusing us of being anti muslim for killing muslim infiltrators. The snake that you have protected and fed all these years have grown to such prioportion that it has the courage to hold your state hostage.
Now the pakistani state will have to fight the same jihadis 'who stand up for Islam'.
To all Pakistanis who have been accusing us of being anti muslim for killing muslim infiltrators. The snake that you have protected and fed all these years have grown to such prioportion that it has the courage to hold your state hostage.
Now the pakistani state will have to fight the same jihadis 'who stand up for Islam'.
The Brothels incident brought forward that they are ready to bear arms for their cause. Can't blame everything on foreigners. We have enough of these nuts mixing religion with vigilantism.Why did this lal masjid become a volatile case all of a sudden. Wasnt the masjid been there for a long time? Has some foriegn elements infiltrated the masjid?