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NEW DELHI: Pitching for reform of the UN and global financial institutions, India Friday said a neighbour - a veiled reference to Pakistan - had
strongly resisted its bid for a seat in the Security Council, and warned that "weak or failing states" in its neighbourhood pose a threat to its security.

"So that is something that India clearly feels very strongly about; there is a need for an expansion of the Security Council in both categories - permanent and non-permanent," Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor said here.

Tharoor also called for strengthening of the UN General Assembly as the primary intergovernmental legislative body. "It has become too often a rhetorical forum, or a declaratory forum rather than one which acts as a legislative body which drives the action of the UN organisation," he said.

Tharoor was speaking at a seminar titled 'India's place in the multi-polar World'. The seminar was organised by the Alfred Herrhausen Society (International Forum for Deutche Bank), Policy Network, London, and the Indian Council for World Affairs (ICWA).

"UN reform is sort of like a malady where all the doctors gather around the patient, and they all agree on the diagnosis, but they can't agree on the prescription," he said while calling for a fresh momentum for the reform of the UN.

"That is the problem we've been facing for the last 18 years of debate on UN reform, since the General Assembly took it on the agenda in 1992 but which we are seeking to supplant with a more serious discussion in the General Assembly plenary," he said.

"...in India we know that we have a neighbour who has strongly resisted any proposal that could see us become a permanent member, and we know that Japan has similar problems with its East Asian neighbours," Tharoor said, alluding to regional rivalries that stalled the process of reform of the UN Security Council.

Pakistan led the so-called "Coffee Club" to oppose India's candidature for the UN Security Council. The club comprised countries like Italy, South Korea, Argentina, Canada, Colombia and Pakistan, who came out with an alternative proposal to block the G4's bid by India, Japan, Germany and Brazil for permanent seats in the UN Security Council.

Tharoor, a former UN official, however, exhorted other countries to move beyond indefinite debate to find "a prescription that the rest of the world will eventually learn to finally live with."

Underlining the problem of global terrorism, Tharoor said its appeal might diminish if economic opportunities for youth are increased and greater political pluralism is offered in many societies.

"But in saying this, I am conscious that India's story could be seriously affected by the failure of other countries in our neighbourhood to do either," he said in an oblique reference to Pakistan.

"Weak or failing states are a major threat to their neighbours. India sees its own security in the promotion of the security and prosperty oif our neighbours," he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...N-Council-bid-Tharoor/articleshow/5728263.cms
 
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nothing surprising in this....what else could be expected..?
 
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NEW DELHI: Pitching for reform of the UN and global financial institutions, India Friday said a neighbour - a veiled reference to Pakistan - had
strongly resisted its bid for a seat in the Security Council, and warned that "weak or failing states" in its neighbourhood pose a threat to its security.

"So that is something that India clearly feels very strongly about; there is a need for an expansion of the Security Council in both categories - permanent and non-permanent," Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor said here.

Tharoor also called for strengthening of the UN General Assembly as the primary intergovernmental legislative body. "It has become too often a rhetorical forum, or a declaratory forum rather than one which acts as a legislative body which drives the action of the UN organisation," he said.

Tharoor was speaking at a seminar titled 'India's place in the multi-polar World'. The seminar was organised by the Alfred Herrhausen Society (International Forum for Deutche Bank), Policy Network, London, and the Indian Council for World Affairs (ICWA).

"UN reform is sort of like a malady where all the doctors gather around the patient, and they all agree on the diagnosis, but they can't agree on the prescription," he said while calling for a fresh momentum for the reform of the UN.

"That is the problem we've been facing for the last 18 years of debate on UN reform, since the General Assembly took it on the agenda in 1992 but which we are seeking to supplant with a more serious discussion in the General Assembly plenary," he said.

"...in India we know that we have a neighbour who has strongly resisted any proposal that could see us become a permanent member, and we know that Japan has similar problems with its East Asian neighbours," Tharoor said, alluding to regional rivalries that stalled the process of reform of the UN Security Council.

Pakistan led the so-called "Coffee Club" to oppose India's candidature for the UN Security Council. The club comprised countries like Italy, South Korea, Argentina, Canada, Colombia and Pakistan, who came out with an alternative proposal to block the G4's bid by India, Japan, Germany and Brazil for permanent seats in the UN Security Council.

Tharoor, a former UN official, however, exhorted other countries to move beyond indefinite debate to find "a prescription that the rest of the world will eventually learn to finally live with."

Underlining the problem of global terrorism, Tharoor said its appeal might diminish if economic opportunities for youth are increased and greater political pluralism is offered in many societies.

"But in saying this, I am conscious that India's story could be seriously affected by the failure of other countries in our neighbourhood to do either," he said in an oblique reference to Pakistan.

"Weak or failing states are a major threat to their neighbours. India sees its own security in the promotion of the security and prosperty oif our neighbours," he said.


South Korea can be easily tackled they are earning billions from India look at samsung, LG Hundai etc.

Use strength of our huge market they will have to bend down.

And if they go way our domestic companies like Videocon, Tata or maruti will take over the market and earn a lot.
 
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South Korea can be easily tackled they are earning billions from India look at samsung, LG Hundai etc.

Use strength of our huge market they will have to bend down.

And if they go way our domestic companies like Videocon, Tata or maruti will take over the market and earn a lot.

Wait for 5 years and then leave UN, they will need india more than we do them.Strong makes their own laws.
 
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Awesome stuff. Why should Pakistan allow this? Everything favorable to Pakistan would be blocked by India.

Permanent seats are a failing of the UN and should be abolished and not encouraged by expanding them.
 
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Already discussed
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/47983-pak-supports-india-unsc-non-permanant-seat.html

and this
UNSC seat: Why is Zardari regime supporting India Siyasat Aur Pakistan
This year, in a strange twist of fate, the Zardari government has chosen to support India in her quest for the United Nation’s Security Council Non-permanent seat.

But this news - Back to where it all started, i guess it has to do with failed Indo-Pak talks which happened in FEB this year

Any ways- Reforms in UN are due , lets hope expansion occurs.
 
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Already discussed
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/47983-pak-supports-india-unsc-non-permanant-seat.html

and this
UNSC seat: Why is Zardari regime supporting India Siyasat Aur Pakistan
This year, in a strange twist of fate, the Zardari government has chosen to support India in her quest for the United Nation’s Security Council Non-permanent seat.

But this news - Back to where it all started, i guess it has to do with failed Indo-Pak talks which happened in FEB this year

Any ways- Reforms in UN are due , lets hope expansion occurs.

Lets hope it doesnt occur, Gori rassi jal jayegi magar todenge hum
 
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Its pending bcoz US is not interested in reforms
When Condelliza Rice was SEC , it was suggested to get 5 more nations as permanent member but without VETO.(G4+S.AFRICA)
Now under OBAMA- these things have taken backseat.
Lets hope some reforms happen - Bcoz atleast permanent members need more power.
When US declared war on IRAQ- even though majority were against it could not stop it .
I think few posts back somebody mentioned it also.
 
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Its pending bcoz US is not interested in reforms
When Condelliza Rice was SEC , it was suggested to get 5 more nations as permanent member but without VETO.(G4+S.AFRICA)
Now under OBAMA- these things have taken backseat.
Lets hope some reforms happen - Bcoz atleast permanent members need more power.
When US declared war on IRAQ- even though majority were against it could not stop it .
I think few posts back somebody mentioned it also.

Thats the point, UN is a toothless tiger, your financial and military strenght matters.When India finds its destiny UN will be a useless forum for it with or without permanent or temporary membership.Then we make the laws ourselves with or without UN.
 
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Any ways- Reforms in UN are due , lets hope expansion occurs.

Nope. Better India stop taking advise from West and focus on improving relations with neighbours and China.

Slowly and slowly, India is becoming SaudiArabia of USA. Totally dependent on west for security and foreign policy advises.

The most puppet(India) can do is, whine and protest by blocking Holbrooke into India. Such kiddish behavior won't change anything.

And even if India got UNSC permanent seat by "begging" and "protesting" on moral grounds, that seat won't be of any use. At most, UNSC will have one comedian member, who lectures on morality to world but lacks balls to protect his own a$$ and depends on western masters for security.
 
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Thats the point, UN is a toothless tiger, your financial and military strenght matters.When India finds its destiny UN will be a useless forum for it with or without permanent or temporary membership.Then we make the laws ourselves with or without UN.

Look at G8 supplanted by G20. There is a reason for that. India won't have the leverage you described above in the near future. So stop dreaming and look at the reality. If UN could not survive without India, others would have beg India to join UN as a permanent member for a while or an alternative organization to replace UNSC would have been created to accomodate India. So unless UNSC members beg India to join it, India is not that important in the international community. Until that time comes, you are just bragging. Maybe you can ask capitan kirk to join the UNSC in 2351.
 
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Nope. Better India stop taking advise from West and focus on improving relations with neighbours and China.

Slowly and slowly, India is becoming SaudiArabia of USA. Totally dependent on west for security and foreign policy advises.

The most puppet(India) can do is, whine and protest by blocking Holbrooke into India. Such kiddish behavior won't change anything.

And even if India got UNSC permanent seat by "begging" and "protesting" on moral grounds, that seat won't be of any use. At most, UNSC will have one comedian member, who lectures on morality to world but lacks balls to protect his own a$$ and depends on western masters for security.

why are you hiding under a false flag..you are definitely not Indian
 
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