Pak Railways inks accord with General Electric USA to procure 55 locomotives

[Spectre]

It is getting better, reaching destination on time but still long way to go. I. e Green line train is providing free WiFi services to passengers.

But this is not new train, train with different name in different time, now they called it green train service with WiFi addition , improved meals and some renovation . ...Key point is that it is reaching destination on time distance app 1500km.
Passenger service is improving.. Average : Medium
Yes it is subsidized !

This is fabulous!

In India except for few premium trains an delay of couple of hours is a norm.

Few trains are even delayed by more than 6 hours regularly.

This is due to the issue of more no of trains running than there is track capacity as every Railway Minister prior to new one used to announce 100s of new trains each year without any regard for logistics.

According to reliable reports Indian Railway needs USD 500 Billion for modernization

 

[Bashido]

This is fabulous!

In India except for few premium trains an delay of couple of hours is a norm.

Few trains are even delayed by more than 6 hours regularly.

This is due to the issue of more no of trains running than there is track capacity as every Railway Minister prior to new one used to announce 100s of new trains each year without any regard for logistics.

According to reliable reports Indian Railway needs USD 500 Billion for modernization

In this government, the condition of Railway is much better than previous. During last govt era, i was travelling from karachi to lahore and dude you can't imagine what it was. it was horrible. Train started his journey almost after 20 hours of his mentioned time and during journey engine failed on many times.

But how our new minister is doing, if he get some fund, i hope atleast there will be a relief for awaam .

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Since there is shortage of Locomotives not sure why these are not being used for Transporation purpose for people to generate instant income for Railways

However if the coal plants are active no doubt these would still make money for Pakistan railways

All in all appears to be a very good initiative GM is a well reputed company that we should have gotten 400-500 locomotives from with TOT and repair knowledge transfer

USA has best Locomotive repair/overhaul companies that do complete overhaul of locomotive in 6 days due to Advance facilities (computerized) and full engineering tools and technically trained workforce

Ideally a 1000 Locomotive deal should be signed a contract for 10 years for long term vision of Pakistan railways , Railways needs a "Power Injection of vision"

(4.0 Billion USD) one time PROJECT spread over 10 years

a) TOT of engine assembly , manufacturing
b) Overhaul knowledge transfer
c) Setup of advance technical facility (computers)/tools to enable fast repairs under GM
supervision
d) Ability to also ship locomotives to USA for some repair work

 

[VCheng]

The Pakistan Railways (PR) Saturday signed an agreement with General Electric (GE) USA to procure 55 locomotives.

It may have taken a long time, but at least somebody listened to what I posted four years ago:

The GE Evolution series are some of the best performing locomotives in the world at present. Pakistan would do well to get them, and then keep them running with proper maintenance.

 

[Kabira]

It may have taken a long time, but at least somebody listened to what I posted four years ago:

Are you that oranzaibi dude?

 

[Tiger Genie]

what does this mean in op?

"He said that the first shipment of the locomotives would arrive in 16 months. These locomotives, he said, will remain operational more than their age"

 

[airmarshal]

The railway minister, Saad Rafique is under investigation by agencies for land grabbing. Quite interesting that he and his party have the same habits. My post raising suspicion on this deal seem quite true after this news today.

 

[Echo_419]

China is crap in heavy technology and no one can beat developed countries of the West or Japan.

GE locomotives was an issue too in previous govt of thugs of PPP. Then the US govt made an official complaint about procurement process being lopsided.

No railway company in the world make money from passenger trains. This is a no brainer and accepted norm. Its always freight trains that make money.

I m not sure if transparency is followed here. Buying a good product does not mean all is good. We also need to see who is buying it or having interest, inevitably financial, in procurement process.

Actually the locos you bought were fine your shitty maintaince runied it

Emotions don't mix sound with business so keep them separate.
U.S.A buys many parts from China due to cheap products.. Few months ago Even sungroup of California(U.S.A) has shown interest in China railways .SunGroup spokesman Jonathan Sun said, SunGroup, CNR and Tangshan Railway had been working together for four years.Sun said an initial order would probably be about 18-20 trains and that they would open a factory to make the trains in California if they won the bid, as required by U.S. law. Tangshan produces high class locomotives.
China may have edge in race to build California's bullet train

While
Malaysia bought around 39 YDM4 from India, they are satisfied with the quality.

We could ask for WDP 4D which is 4500hp, or WDG/5500hp and much powerful. Or had other choices if we don't want powerful locomotives I. e >= 3000 hp..
But we went for much costly product. We are rich nation I guess.

Politics won't allow this

 

[Myth_buster_1]

GMU 25 & GMU 30 ---was the backbone of the Pakistan railways


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So more World war 2 era stuff for Pakistan for the price of 21st century goods? I know what ever PMLN government buys, it must be chit loads of money for chit.

 

[Beta-Fighter]

What happened to the engines from the deeper then Ocean friend and which is far ahead then US in technology? your brothers in need and deed.

why are you not buying from them? are they incapable of producing even decent diesel engines?

 

[Ankit Kumar 001]

Hi
Great deal. The Alcos (American Locos) are the real tough ones. They are more than a bang for their bucks. Here in India too we have manufactured over 2000+ derivatives of the American Locomotives. And those are still doing 105km/h with 24 coaches. They are the backbone of Indian Railways where the lines are not electrified like the western ghats.
And on the WDP/G/M 4 series of 4000-4500hp engines. They are beasts. We would have been actually able to provide the same American derivatives at a cheaper cost. But nonetheless best of luck to Pakistan Railway.
Cheers
Thanks

 

[Ankit Kumar 001]

Worlds most powerful 2 stroke diesel loco.
WDG 5 rated at 5,500 HP.

 

[MastanKhan]

So more World war 2 era stuff for Pakistan for the price of 21st century goods? I know what ever PMLN government buys, it must be chit loads of money for chit.

GMU25 and GMU30 came in around early 70's-----. So after 40 years of service----they are being overhauled and will provide another 20 years of service---.

They just need to pull a load from one station to another at a certain speed---so what is the big deal what era technology it is----.

Incidently---diesel engine technology has not changed a lot in the last 50 years----maybe some upgrades in the traction motor---.

 

[kaku1]

Why not locomotives from India...They are also with good quality and much cheaper than U.S.A.

Kafir.

Nobody beats German and specially U.S.A, U.S.A is creator of many things and whole world just follows it, And about GEs, one have to look it's heavy price , maintenance, duty and feasibility ... I already mentioned even U.S.A purchases many things from China due to cost benefit analysis.
I wish we get good staff to take care of it, but loading 14 coaches for place of 10 coaches, result will remain same. I wish we get some parha likha staff there and avoid mismanagement.
Do some search about their locomotives ,Endurance and feasibility. .. If Malaysian are happy with quality , and the choices you get according to engine power and w.r.t. price, power, quality, we just missed the deal ...... I say!
What do you expect from king style obsessed Khawajas ...
Awaam ka paisa hai. .who cares!

Order some LHB coaches too.

Politics won't allow this

Actually very few people knows this, in 2012-13, MMS govt. asked the Pakistan, if needed then Indian govt. ready to supply 1000 mW from Northern Grid and $1 bn Line of Credit for circular debt. But Zardari govt. refused this.

3 Engines pulling 124 containers..

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But yes that would be electrical locos.