Pak Navy test-fires missile from warship

[truthseeker2010]

THis is not a Pakistani Ship, its russian or indian !

Its a chinese ship the PLAN Sovremenny class "Ningbo".

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

Where is he watching ? not towards launching pad not even missile. Maybe for snapshot.

 

[tarrar]

My GOD people are arguing on the picture's date & time. GOD help us all.

 

[S.Y.A]

Where is he watching ? not towards launching pad not even missile. Maybe for snapshot.

he is looking towards the target I think...

 

[Bratva]

According to the above blurb..
The C-802 missile has intervhangable seekers,and the seekers can be fitted by the user.
The missile has data link and can be guided by the ship or a loitering aircraft..
This explains why the news report mentioned 'multiple platforms' and justifies the presence of an aircraft in the exercise as reported by news outlets.
But still there is no justification of the presence of a submarine.

C-802 launched from Agosta. previously Exocet was used from Agosta for land attack purposes which is replaced by C-802 A now i think

 

[saiyan0321]

C-802 launched from Agosta. previously Exocet was used from Agosta for land attack purposes which is replaced by C-802 A now i think

Thats good if its true.

 

[Safriz]

C-802 launched from Agosta. previously Exocet was used from Agosta for land attack purposes which is replaced by C-802 A now i think

C-802A can be linked to a Loitering aircraft such as JF-17 for Terminal Guidance,and can go after Moving targets,not just Stationery ones...
But limited in Range and limited to Coast attack,not a true Land attack cruise missile like Babur...

 

[Bratva]

C-802A can be linked to a Loitering aircraft such as JF-17 for Terminal Guidance,and can go after Moving targets,not just Stationery ones...
But limited in Range and limited to Coast attack,not a true Land attack cruise missile like Babur...

but problem of BABUR is that it's a strategic missile, i.e. Cant go after moving targets.and neither can replace old age obsolete exoctes in PN inventory i.e conventional Land attack missiles.. So intermediate solution was C-802 A for our submarines.

 

[Penguin]

but problem of BABUR is that it's a strategic missile, i.e. Cant go after moving targets.and neither can replace old age obsolete exoctes in PN inventory i.e conventional Land attack missiles.. So intermediate solution was C-802 A for our submarines.

Strategic missiles are long-range missiles with nuclear or other warheads designed to target cities, military facilities, and industrial and transportation targets. These can be ballistic or cruise missiles. Ballistic missiles are large rockets which maintain a ballistic flight path to their targets, and which usually include some form of in flight guidance to maintain accuracy. Ballistic missiles don't do well against mobile targets (with perhaps 1 exception). Cruise missiles are guided missiles which maintain a flight path similar to that of an airplane, but are without a pilot. You can use cruisemissiles against mobile targets e.g. ships. Many antiship missiles are in fact cruise missiles. Cruise missiles come in nuclear and conventionally armed versions, in land attack but also in ship attack versions, in land and sea based versions.

 

[Armstrong]

Strategic missiles are long-range missiles with nuclear or other warheads designed to target cities, military facilities, and industrial and transportation targets. These can be ballistic or cruise missiles. Ballistic missiles are large rockets which maintain a ballistic flight path to their targets, and which usually include some form of in flight guidance to maintain accuracy. Ballistic missiles don't do well against mobile targets (with perhaps 1 exception). Cruise missiles are guided missiles which maintain a flight path similar to that of an airplane, but are without a pilot. You can use cruisemissiles against mobile targets e.g. ships. Many antiship missiles are in fact cruise missiles. Cruise missiles come in nuclear and conventionally armed versions, in land attack but also in ship attack versions, in land and sea based versions.

Penguin, noob question !

Can we a Babur or a Ra'ad cruise missile carrying a tactical nuke be of use when targeting a flotilla ? Which is to say if it explodes within a few hundred metres of the flotilla before exploding would the blast radius of 1kt worth of nuclear material be enough to obliterate most of the flotilla because it is my understanding, formed by reading some of the more informed PDF members, that a 1 kt tactical nuke has enough of a blast radius to decimate everything in a 1 mile radius !

Is it even worth it to consider using tactical nukes in a blockade denial mode ? In the manner of speaking were an Indian flotilla be parked on the outskirts of the Arabian Sea to deny Pakistan the use of its main ports would a tactical nuke serve :

(a) deterrence in this context in that it raises the opportunity cost of instigating a blockade to begin with !

or (b) it wouldn't have much of a detrimental effect !

 

[Safriz]

Operation Sailor Hat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Safriz]

you can search 'operation sailor hat'.
On youtube or google for a video footage..
It was a half kiliton explosion andthe damage was intense..
A 1 or 2 kiloton blast will have greater effect...

 

[The Deterrent]

Operation Crossroads: Two 23 kt nuclear explosions both above (Able) and under water (Baker).
Operation Crossroads - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Picture of Crossroads Baker Test:

 

[foxhound]

Salaam...


Pakistan Navy Test-fires Land-Attack Missile

Defense News

Pakistan Navy Test-fires Land-Attack Missile | Missile ThreatMissile Threat
Posted on December 21, 2012 by editor


ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Navy has test-fired a new land attack missile in the North Arabian Sea off the coast of Pakistan this week.

According to a Navy news release, the test included “firings of a variety of modern missiles including the maiden Land Attack Missile (LAM)” and the tests “demonstrated lethality, precision and efficacy” of the Navy’s weapon systems as well as the “high state of readiness and professionalism” of the Navy.

The release also stated the test “reaffirms credibility of deterrence at sea.”

A Navy spokesman confirmed “multiple platforms were engaged” in firing missiles. The firings took place on Dec. 19 and 21.

Though the Navy has a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles, the Navy would not confirm the identity of the land-attack missile when asked.

Mansoor Ahmed from Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, who specializes in Pakistan’s national deterrent and delivery program, believes the missile is one of two varieties: either a land attack variant of the Chinese C-802/CSS-N-8 Saccade anti-ship missile in service with a variety of naval platforms; or a variant of the HATF-VII/Vengeance-VII Babur cruise missile.

“Coupled with a miniaturized plutonium warhead, a naval version of the several hundred kilometer-range Babur [land attack cruise missile] or a 120-kilometer range C-802 missile can potentially provide Pakistan with a reliable if not an assured second strike capability and will complete the third leg of Pakistan’s eventual triad-based credible minimum deterrent — of which the naval leg was missing until now,” he said.

A land-attack variant of the C-802 would be able to be fired from existing launchers aboard Pakistani ships.

Ahmed however pointed out that M. Irfan Burney — chairman of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), the research and development body that designed and manufactured the Babur cruise missile — witnessed the test firings. Ahmed believes that supports the notion that the missile was the Babur.

Burney was joined by Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila, onboard the F-22P class frigate Zulfiquar.

The test comes seven months after Pakistan inaugurated the Naval Strategic Force Command. The Babur, once integrated with an operational naval command and control, “will help diversify the options available to counter India’s growing second strike capabilities at sea,” Ahmed said.

He said the Navy will be able to “strike critical counter-value and other strategic targets all along India’s coastline and maintain a semblance of strategic stability in the Arabian Sea.”

“Pakistan’s response in this field was necessary in the face of an exponential increase in Indian strategic capabilities, such as ballistic-missile defenses and the induction of SSBNs [ballistic-missile submarines] and planned $40 billion worth of naval weapons platform acquisitions over the next decade,” he added.

Ahmed said a “nuclear-tipped [land-attack cruise missile] is a readily available and affordable alternative for Pakistan instead of a dedicated SSBN.”

With an economy in chronically poor shape, the question of affordability and meeting the Navy’s expansion requirements in the face of a shortage of funds is a pressing concern.

However, after witnessing the test firings and voicing his appreciation of the operational preparedness of the fleet, Sandila also said the government was “cognizant of PN’s developmental needs and all out efforts are being made to address critical capability gaps.”

 

[Penguin]

Penguin, noob question !

Can we a Babur or a Ra'ad cruise missile carrying a tactical nuke be of use when targeting a flotilla ? Which is to say if it explodes within a few hundred metres of the flotilla before exploding would the blast radius of 1kt worth of nuclear material be enough to obliterate most of the flotilla because it is my understanding, formed by reading some of the more informed PDF members, that a 1 kt tactical nuke has enough of a blast radius to decimate everything in a 1 mile radius !

Is it even worth it to consider using tactical nukes in a blockade denial mode ? In the manner of speaking were an Indian flotilla be parked on the outskirts of the Arabian Sea to deny Pakistan the use of its main ports would a tactical nuke serve :

(a) deterrence in this context in that it raises the opportunity cost of instigating a blockade to begin with !

or (b) it wouldn't have much of a detrimental effect !

A (carrier) strike group will be spread out over a much greater area then a 1 mile radius can cover. Groups only sail together for photo ops. If you know a carrier's position, it may be an option to take out the carrier with a nuke, assuming you can defeat the layered defence.

A standard formation provides a number of layers of defence, designed to give maximum protection to the fleet's high value units (HVUs) or main body. Furthest out are the picket ships, Combat Air Patrol (CAP) craft and early warning aircraft (AEW). These units operate at 200 nautical miles (370 km) or more out from the main body. The units of the outer screen operate between 12 and 25 nautical miles (22 and 46 km) from the main body. The inner screen is within 10 nautical miles (19 km) of the HVUs.

U.S. Carrier Group tactics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Salaam...


Pakistan Navy Test-fires Land-Attack Missile

Defense News

Pakistan Navy Test-fires Land-Attack Missile | Missile ThreatMissile Threat
Posted on December 21, 2012 by editor


ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Navy has test-fired a new land attack missile in the North Arabian Sea off the coast of Pakistan this week.

According to a Navy news release, the test included “firings of a variety of modern missiles including the maiden Land Attack Missile (LAM)” and the tests “demonstrated lethality, precision and efficacy” of the Navy’s weapon systems as well as the “high state of readiness and professionalism” of the Navy.

The release also stated the test “reaffirms credibility of deterrence at sea.”

A Navy spokesman confirmed “multiple platforms were engaged” in firing missiles. The firings took place on Dec. 19 and 21.

Though the Navy has a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles, the Navy would not confirm the identity of the land-attack missile when asked.

Mansoor Ahmed from Quaid-e-Azam University’s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, who specializes in Pakistan’s national deterrent and delivery program, believes the missile is one of two varieties: either a land attack variant of the Chinese C-802/CSS-N-8 Saccade anti-ship missile in service with a variety of naval platforms; or a variant of the HATF-VII/Vengeance-VII Babur cruise missile.

“Coupled with a miniaturized plutonium warhead, a naval version of the several hundred kilometer-range Babur [land attack cruise missile] or a 120-kilometer range C-802 missile can potentially provide Pakistan with a reliable if not an assured second strike capability and will complete the third leg of Pakistan’s eventual triad-based credible minimum deterrent — of which the naval leg was missing until now,” he said.

A land-attack variant of the C-802 would be able to be fired from existing launchers aboard Pakistani ships.

Ahmed however pointed out that M. Irfan Burney — chairman of the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), the research and development body that designed and manufactured the Babur cruise missile — witnessed the test firings. Ahmed believes that supports the notion that the missile was the Babur.

Burney was joined by Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila, onboard the F-22P class frigate Zulfiquar.

The test comes seven months after Pakistan inaugurated the Naval Strategic Force Command. The Babur, once integrated with an operational naval command and control, “will help diversify the options available to counter India’s growing second strike capabilities at sea,” Ahmed said.

He said the Navy will be able to “strike critical counter-value and other strategic targets all along India’s coastline and maintain a semblance of strategic stability in the Arabian Sea.”

“Pakistan’s response in this field was necessary in the face of an exponential increase in Indian strategic capabilities, such as ballistic-missile defenses and the induction of SSBNs [ballistic-missile submarines] and planned $40 billion worth of naval weapons platform acquisitions over the next decade,” he added.

Ahmed said a “nuclear-tipped [land-attack cruise missile] is a readily available and affordable alternative for Pakistan instead of a dedicated SSBN.”

With an economy in chronically poor shape, the question of affordability and meeting the Navy’s expansion requirements in the face of a shortage of funds is a pressing concern.

However, after witnessing the test firings and voicing his appreciation of the operational preparedness of the fleet, Sandila also said the government was “cognizant of PN’s developmental needs and all out efforts are being made to address critical capability gaps.”

Obviously against LAND targets ....