Pak Navy able to repel border attack’

[Cherokee]

Great . Thanks for Informing us .

 

[Safriz]

PN is not repelling any attack IN is throwing at them unless they spend the next years entire defence budget on PN.

How will IN save their ships from sea and air launched anti ship missiles?

 

[Contrarian]

How will IN save their ships from sea and air launched anti ship missiles?

IN capital ships already field SAM's along with point defence guns like Kashtan on every major ship. Unless PN can send mass volley's at an IN SAG, nothing is happening.

That aside, 2015 is the year that our LRSAM is scheduled to be put up on our frontline destroyers.

Even then, PN would need to get within detection range of IN ships to fire at them. IN ships however outrange and outgun all PN ships. And i am not bringing P3's in this because IN aviation and IAF are upto the job.

PN's job would be mostly to try and ensure that IN doesnt get to the LACM/AShM firing range range - which they cannot do. They neither field any decent SAM on their ships or land either.

The only thing PN has working for it is a modern submarine fleet. And i am not qualified to comment on its employement, how effective it will be or how the IN will or will not be able to deal with this.

 

[notorious_eagle]

PN is not repelling any attack IN is throwing at them unless they spend the next years entire defence budget on PN.

Cross the border and find out .

PN is exactly buying the weapons she needs to pin down superior IN and cause attrition. The strategy of sea deniability is much cheaper than sea dominance. PN's strategy is going to mimic PLAN strategy against USN in the South China Sea. Employ a barrage of precision guided ASM's or other forms of weapons to deter the superior enemy. Sea deniability weapons are the way to go for PN.

 

[KS]

Cross the border and find out .

PN is exactly buying the weapons she needs to pin down superior IN and cause attrition. The strategy of sea deniability is much cheaper than sea dominance. PN's strategy is going to mimic PLAN strategy against USN in the South China Sea. Employ a barrage of precision guided ASM's or other forms of weapons to deter the superior enemy. Sea deniability weapons are the way to go for PN.

You underestimate PLAN..they launched the highest number of warships last year and have like an unlimited sinkhole from where funds keep coming out. Out of the three services PN is the weaklink and if god forbid it came to a match on the oceans I can see Karachi getting bombed from the sea in pretty much two weeks or so.

 

[Jango]

...I can see Karachi getting bombed from the sea in pretty much two weeks or so.

It isn't going to last that long!

There will be intervention from all sides and the matter will be resolved within two weeks. PN has ample resources to repel an attack for around 2 weeks.

As notorious eagle said, sea deniability is the route PN is taking.

 

[Secur]

Harpoon....exocet...CM-400AKG.
C-802

More than enough for defense !

 

[Contrarian]

Cross the border and find out .

PN is exactly buying the weapons she needs to pin down superior IN and cause attrition. The strategy of sea deniability is much cheaper than sea dominance. PN's strategy is going to mimic PLAN strategy against USN in the South China Sea. Employ a barrage of precision guided ASM's or other forms of weapons to deter the superior enemy. Sea deniability weapons are the way to go for PN.

IN's objective as has always been simple: blockade Pakistan.

To do that they just need to destroy 3 ports of Pakistan. If those 3 are destroyed, Pakistan will not be able to land heavy equipment needed for its economy and war- like Oil, Ammunition or Arms. Smuggling can and will happen, but not on the scale required and the heavy facilities are needed for these things.

They dont need to down PN ships to do that. What makes you think IN needs to come within 200kms of Pakistani ports to shut them down? The umpteen LACM's from ships, planes and subs can achieve that. And im not even counting the land based fighters that IN has or the IAF for that matter.

PN is buying no equipment that will prevent this from happening at a serious scale. Pakistan is in no position to fund even the numbers required for a sea denial role. PN will simply be overwhelmed in this case.

Lets assume PN shoots a few ships of IN. Do you really think it matters? Do you know the assets being fielded by IN now already and on order in shipyards already? Doubtful of a lot of attrition. And even assuming attrition, it doesnt matter when the objectives of IN are achieved.

It isn't going to last that long!

There will be intervention from all sides and the matter will be resolved within two weeks. PN has ample resources to repel an attack for around 2 weeks.

As notorious eagle said, sea deniability is the route PN is taking.

It is doubtful IN will need even a week to put a blockade.

 

[Safriz]

For larger ships,PAF can bring in Air launched ASM such as C-802 or C-400 which can be fired from 400 miles away,well out of reach from any SAM.
C-400 can avoid any defensive counter measures by speed alone as its mach 4+.
A combination of C-400 and a sea skimming ASM can be very effective as IN defences will have to track a missile at very low altitude and anothr at very high.....simultaneously.

 

[KS]

It isn't going to last that long!

There will be intervention from all sides and the matter will be resolved within two weeks. PN has ample resources to repel an attack for around 2 weeks.

As notorious eagle said, sea deniability is the route PN is taking.

Well that is a point to be noted..external interference..it could really turn out to be either way..like '71 when US actively pressured India into not taking the war into Pakistan or like '99 when the world looked the other way till India completed it;s objectives..

For larger ships,PAF can bring in Air launched ASM such as C-802 or C-400 which can be fired from 400 miles away,well out of reach from any SAM.
C-400 can avoid any defensive counter measures by speed alone as its mach 4+.
A combination of C-400 and a sea skimming ASM can be very effective as IN defences will have to track a missile at very low altitude and anothr at very high.....simultaneously.

You just forgot the MKI squadron based out at Jamnagar if I am not mistaken and the spanking new Mig-29Ks which have just arrived..Forget any pakistani offensive air activity over the oceans..

 

[Ambitious449]

KARACHI: A senior Navy officer said on Saturday that Pakistan was fully capable of giving effective response to the enemy during any border clash, Geo News reported.

Speaking to media in Ormara, where the navies of Pakistan and Saudi Arab are busy in war games, Vice Admiral Zakaullah said that Pakistan was not concerned due to New Delhi’s naval capability as it had the ability to defend itself from against any aggression.

He told that two PC-3 Orean aircraft were damaged during a militant attack on Navy’s Mehran Base in Karachi.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-83504-Pakistan-Navy-able-to-repel-border-attack

 

[Safriz]

Well that is a point to be noted..external interference..it could really turn out to be either way..like '71 when US actively pressured India into not taking the war into Pakistan or like '99 when the world looked the other way till India completed it;s objectives..



You just forgot the MKI squadron based out at Jamnagar if I am not mistaken and the spanking new Mig-29Ks which have just arrived..Forget any pakistani offensive air activity over the oceans..

Thats why Pakistan has mainly 'shoot n scoot' doctrine..
PAF wont need air superiority to launch a few ASM and back to base..
Plus PAF has enough BVRs and ground assets to buy time.

 

[Contrarian]

For larger ships,PAF can bring in Air launched ASM such as C-802 or C-400 which can be fired from 400 miles away,well out of reach from any SAM.

Mate, which plane will guide that missile accurately over 400kms? You think a PAF AEW&C will be loitering close to the Indian border?

C-400 can avoid any defensive counter measures by speed alone as its mach 4+.
A combination of C-400 and a sea skimming ASM can be very effective as IN defences will have to track a missile at very low altitude and anothr at very high.....simultaneously.

Mate, please credit the designers of our ships as well as weapon systems with some intelligence. Sometimes you just cant cut it with the weapons you field because of the money you have. This is one of those instances.

The SAM's are effective - that includes a supersonic missile. We do own a supersonic CM - low flying and supersonic. They are tested against the newest SAM we own - Barak. The Barak 8 is designed to extend this engagement range for missiles - yes that includes supersonic rockets.

And it is highly doubtful that PAF will be able to muster up assets to send against IN SAG, particularly as they will have to locate them, and then particularly as IN owns shore based fighters along with Carrier based ones, and while fighting a ridiculously high intensity fight with IAF - which is far far larger than PAF.

Lets say they are able to do it for 2 -3 days. PAF will be taking heavy and disproportionate attrition. What happens soon after that? Or IN's fighters intercept these on the way back? How long does PN hold on, particularly when Pakistan's ports are already bombed on the 2nd day or war.

 

[Markus]

Incorrectly framed article, wrong words chosen.

What role does a navy have to play in a border clash ?

If tomorrow, Indian forces attack selected pakistani posts, how will pakistan navy come in to the picture?

 

[Skull and Bones]

For larger ships,PAF can bring in Air launched ASM such as C-802 or C-400 which can be fired from 400 miles away,well out of reach from any SAM.
C-400 can avoid any defensive counter measures by speed alone as its mach 4+.
A combination of C-400 and a sea skimming ASM can be very effective as IN defences will have to track a missile at very low altitude and anothr at very high.....simultaneously.

C-400 isn't ready yet. It's more like saying India deploying Rafale and PAK-FAs near the border for preemptive strike, while Scorpenes will launch a volley of SLCMs to put major ports out of service.