Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

[notorious_eagle]

Pakistan no longer has same level of parity it once did in military and even economy.

Pakistan at no time in history had any parity against India what so ever whether it was military or the economy. At the time of our partition, Pakistan literally had no industry compared to the massive industrial machinery that India inherited from the British. Pakistan built herself from scratch, that in my opinion is an achievement worth to be proud of. India is 7 times bigger than Pakistan, thus naturally India will be able to deploy a larger economy and a military compared to Pakistan.

over the last decade India has left Pakistan behind in almost every sphere imaginable. Indian military has left behind Pakistani military by leaps and bounds.

I am confused, what exactly are the benchmarks you are trying to set here?

Indian military no doubt has superiority over Pakistan but does not has absolute conventional superiority over Pakistan. If she did, trust me should would have crushed Pakistan Army long time ago. Indian military's frustration are well known when it comes to dealing with Pakistan. Even after spending billions of dollars, Indian Army still does not has the answer to launch any punitive action against Pakistan Army. Indian Army is well aware of the fact that any punitive strike will face an equal retaliation from the Pakistan side. The balance of power is still roughly the same. India has not reached the point where it can punish Pakistan severely and come out unscathed.

They can no longer even think of pulling off another military attempt.

Their is no intent to pull out a military adventure against India. This appears to be the consensus that has been reached by the General Staff of Pakistan Army. The thinking has changed in PA to engage India and develop peaceful and friendly relations with them. Peace between both India and Pakistan will pay out huge dividends for not only both India-Pakistan but for the entire region.

Even their military recognizes now that they have been left behind and thus you see a clamour for peace.

Please explain to me how did you deduce that Pakistan Army has recognized that it has been left behind by the Indian Military? Did you have a personal conversation with the COAS of Pakistan Army?

If what you say was true, Pakistan Army would have at no point mobilized and dared the Indian Army to 'BRING IT ON' after 26/11. We all know that which side backed off after making public empty threats of a military strike. That in my opinion was simply pathetic because you don't make threats on which you cannot follow through with actions.

Its because they know that they will never be able to take siachen that they started talking about peace there.

No doubt taking Siachen is extremely hard. The habitation, vegetation and the environment serves as a huge barrier for the attacking party. As far as we are concerned, be happy at Siachen. It has killed and wounded more of your troops compared to ours. The military activity in this district is polluting the environment, but i am sure you wouldn't give two hoots about the environment.

Sit back and enjoy..in another decade even the last hopes of comparison with India will be dashed.

At no point in our history have we ever compared ourselves to India. Its like saying that Canada is equivalent to the US in terms of diplomatic, military and economic power.

 

[Bang Galore]

Pakistan at no time in history had any parity against India what so ever whether it was military or the economy. At the time of our partition, Pakistan literally had no industry compared to the massive industrial machinery that India inherited from the British. Pakistan built herself from scratch, that in my opinion is an achievement worth to be proud of. India is 7 times bigger than Pakistan, thus naturally India will be able to deploy a larger economy and a military compared to Pakistan. ......



......Their is no intent to pull out a military adventure against India. This appears to be the consensus that has been reached by the General Staff of Pakistan Army. The thinking has changed in PA to engage India and develop peaceful and friendly relations with them. Peace between both India and Pakistan will pay out huge dividends for not only both India-Pakistan but for the entire region.



......No doubt taking Siachen is extremely hard. The habitation, vegetation and the environment serves as a huge barrier for the attacking party. As far as we are concerned, be happy at Siachen. It has killed and wounded more of your troops compared to ours. The military activity in this district is polluting the environment, but i am sure you wouldn't give two hoots about the environment.

At no point in our history have we ever compared ourselves to India. Its like saying that Canada is equivalent to the US in terms of diplomatic, military and economic power.

You are missing the point. We are arguing that time since the Kargil war has served India well & Pakistan badly. As I have argued in my earlier posts, the nature of any settlement of Kashmir is now more or less going to be on terms that India is okay with. Pakistan blew its chances with the Kargil war & every terrorist attack after that whilst costing Indian lives has only helped serve Pakistan's interests badly if you assume that Pakistan's primary interest is in Kashmir. Every year that has passed has only increased the disparity between India & Pakistan to a point where many in India are confident enough to work out a premise of containment rather than engagement with Pakistan. Your "core" issue is becoming even less important in that process. Indian authorities are aware that there is no overwhelming need to sort out issues with Pakistan & therefore have taken even more hardline positions than in the past. Siachen is a good example. Driven partly by the memory of Kargil & largely by the strength of improved Indian capabilities, Indian planners no longer will acquiesce to the kind of solutions discussed earlier (chiefly in 1992). Your talking point with respect to Kashmir has so regressed that most Pakistani authorities simply do not believe that there will be any real movement on that issue. So who has gained from the Kargil conflict? You? or us?

 

[INDIC]

Since when india become "richer" than Pak? Probably you don't take population of both countries into account while making your rhetoric..

And you are a senior member...

He meant size of the economy as Indian economy which was 5 times larger than Pakistan economy in 1990 is now 10 times larger. Economic boom brought lots of funds to improve infrastructure in border areas in Kashmir. That was evident during Earthquake of 2005, that Pakistan still lags far behind in infrastructure preparation compared to India.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Who was ruled for 1000 years?

Answer anyone?

Lolz No insecurity here.

Peoples from which part of Indian Subcontinent were looted, f*cked & converted by Invaders first before ruling India???
who were the loosers who got converted by foreign invaders first??
what is the name of piece of land that was once part of geographic entity called india??

Answer anyone?

You mean India is going to disintegrate and Pakistan is going to become some industrial and economic giant?

Its already Gaint in two things you mentioned-
Industries - world largest producer or terrorism
Economic - world's largest fund raiser for terrorist attack after saudi

 

[Xeric]

Please explain as to what is point in posting this troll like post.

Perhaps, fearmongering..??

 

[kumarkumar1867]

When the Muslims came and "raped" Ma Bharat, it gave birth to Pakistan. If you like to talk big, we can give equal response as well. If you respect your own nation you will not use this kind of language.

What a dellusion

Bharat or Hindustan was there when Muslim Moghuls like Akbar ruled India.

But when british were leaving India, muslim faggots who had no balls to compete with hindus in hindu majority & hindus who could not convince muslims diplomatically about promised equality to minority created Pakistan.

For making your logical usable it will be quiet logical if you would have said that US & West "raped' multiple times Pakistan & it gave birth to a nalayak childs called Taliban,TTP & Afghan immigrants, etc

Gem for the day.

Actually this is what PA did in Kargil which is VICTORY according to Genious Razpak

its like the swiss wanted to join WW2 and ordered many submarines, only to find they dont have a port..

Lol

 

[kumarkumar1867]

You guys buried the dead bodies of ultras of Hizb ul Mjahideen and Lashkar e Taiba. We appreciate that. The fact is all the bodies of soldiers(not ultras) which we received were conferred military honors and awards. Now you guys should continue your tradition and any militant of Lashkar e Taiba and Hizb ul Mujahiden who dies in IOK, Indian army should bury them according to Islamic tradition with full honors like Kargil.

We will appreciate you in the future too.

We are sincerely following it before you advised & will keep following it.
Please send more Hizb & LeT infiltrants, our soldiers are missing live target practicing sessions

Dont forget Indian army’s official slogan:-
“It is God’s responsibility to forgive the Terrorists. It is our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and God.”

 

[kumarkumar1867]

No movie is going to made on this incident in bollywood.

Well Indian soldiers who got martyred are treated as HEROS in our nation. Even bollywood movies were made on Kargil incident dedicated to such heros.

What about Pakistani soldiers?? Lollywood movie tou chorr bhai they died like unwanted street dogs, disowned by Green Army & GOP, rotted on LOC & were finally burried by Indians.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Your army was in bed with militants of Mukti Bahni. It is the same modus operandi dear. In one or the other. You were fighting along side a militant group.

Just saying. You also took help of militants and ultras. Don't whine when someone else does the same.

You are trying to do same with jihaadis & tribal non state actors in Kashmir since 1948 and got nothing to be proud of.

dont you think India did good job learning things from you & cutting your country in two parts so quickly (8-9 months of IA-RAW & Mukti Bahini romance as you claim)??

Come on we need a praise for being so good in slicing you in two ....

 

[Areesh]

Peoples from which part of Indian Subcontinent were looted, f*cked & converted by Invaders first before ruling India???
who were the loosers who got converted by foreign invaders first??
what is the name of piece of land that was once part of geographic entity called india??

Answer anyone?



Its already Gaint in two things you mentioned-
Industries - world largest producer or terrorism
Economic - world's largest fund raiser for terrorist attack after saudi

We are sincerely following it before you advised & will keep following it.
Please send more Hizb & LeT infiltrants, our soldiers are missing live target practicing sessions

Dont forget Indian army’s official slogan:-
“It is God’s responsibility to forgive the Terrorists. It is our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and God.”

Well Indian soldiers who got martyred are treated as HEROS in our nation. Even bollywood movies were made on Kargil incident dedicated to such heros.

What about Pakistani soldiers?? Lollywood movie tou chorr bhai they died like unwanted street dogs, disowned by Green Army & GOP, rotted on LOC & were finally burried by Indians.

You are trying to do same with jihaadis & tribal non state actors in Kashmir since 1948 and got nothing to be proud of.

dont you think India did good job learning things from you & cutting your country in two parts so quickly (8-9 months of IA-RAW & Mukti Bahini romance as you claim)??

Come on we need a praise for being so good in slicing you in two ....

Yaar you are a typical jahil Bharati so.....

How's that working out for you these days? Any takers for your show & tell?

It is working good. Right now only India and it's establishment seems to be a hurdle in solving issue with India. Your post can be taken as a reference.

When you say "we are sincere" - whom exactly are you referring to? I know there is a constituency of guys like Najam Sethi, Paracha etc. which want peace. But there is also a constituency which subscribes to the likes of Hafiz Saeed - so which one is more popular at the mass level?

Nadeem Paracha or Najam Sethi are just media figures. Nobody cares what they say or believe. The fact is that the majority of Pakistani public supports peaceful relationship with India. Not budging to India's demands on different issues but having better relationships with India. At least majority aren't favor of any war with India.

Strange or not, this is the precise reason, even if Indian government would bulge, the Indian Amy would not.

Good. I can take it as a confession.

 

[RazPaK]

Peoples from which part of Indian Subcontinent were looted, f*cked & converted by Invaders first before ruling India???
who were the loosers who got converted by foreign invaders first??
what is the name of piece of land that was once part of geographic entity called india??

Answer anyone?

Here's your answer kaka.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Here's your answer kaka.

This is the quality of Pakistanis like you I love & adore much. Dig your head in sand & feel proud of hipocrisy.

Do u think there were no rapes by invaders when they started invasion first from present day pakistan regions??

Oh wait !! you already said it...You are product of muslim rapes on ancient bharat Ma. Good to see you know it

For your info...Akbar was born on our soil he is as much as indian as APJ Kalam is or Maulana Azad was. Jodha was royal queen married religiously to him.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Yaar you are a typical jahil Bharati so.....

Yeah I understand when you have no words to save your face such BS pictures are great relief. Good keep it up

Jaahil Bharatii??
You want to get stripped again by opening new thread for education, universities, literacy comparison between India & Pakistan like indians are doing in this thread ???

 

[RazPaK]

welcome back RazBas. hope you have a tight belt around your chaddi today. public mein utarwaane jo aaye ho

Can you keep your homosexuality to yourself?


Soliciting for gay sex is considered harassment and against forum rules.


Thanks.

 

[Rafi]

The fact that it was a turkey shoot for us, and we slaughtered the poor indian soldiers like chickens, is the fault of the indian civilian leadership as well as the military high command. The fact that we hold strategic peaks, that allow our artillery observers to bring down accurate fire on to indian national highways is also sticking in their craw.