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1) PAF is looking to procure 5th generation fighters

2) China has inducted J-20 but is looking for engine tech from Russia

3) IAF is unhappy with FGFA (PAK-FA / SU-57 version for India) and has asked US LM to provide RFI on F-35. IAF plans to procure 126 F-35As

4) US has confirmed it would share info and sell F-35s to IAF only if India pulls out completely from FGFA program to avoid leaking F-35 tech to Russia

5) Modi is planning to pull the plug on FGFA in the next few weeks in favour of F-35s

6) Russia has warned India that Russia would replace India with China as the partner on FGFA

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia
 
yeahhh....none of that is gonna happen
Oh me dear you are write as always, unless Pakistan has it's own homemade aircraft carrier, which can fly itself :)

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia
You shouldn't have included this point at least !
 
1) PAF is looking to procure 5th generation fighters

2) China has inducted J-20 but is looking for engine tech from Russia

3) IAF is unhappy with FGFA (PAK-FA / SU-57 version for India) and has asked US LM to provide RFI on F-35. IAF plans to procure 126 F-35As

4) US has confirmed it would share info and sell F-35s to IAF only if India pulls out completely from FGFA program to avoid leaking F-35 tech to Russia

5) Modi is planning to pull the plug on FGFA in the next few weeks in favour of F-35s

6) Russia has warned India that Russia would replace India with China as the partner on FGFA

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia
Its like watching indian news channel
 
You shouldn't have included this point at least !

May be true. Except for this item which I was speculating, the other items have been in news. Also, Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif is in talks with Russia as we speak.

Its like watching indian news channel

These have all been in news in the few weeks.
 
1) PAF is looking to procure 5th generation fighters

2) China has inducted J-20 but is looking for engine tech from Russia

3) IAF is unhappy with FGFA (PAK-FA / SU-57 version for India) and has asked US LM to provide RFI on F-35. IAF plans to procure 126 F-35As

4) US has confirmed it would share info and sell F-35s to IAF only if India pulls out completely from FGFA program to avoid leaking F-35 tech to Russia

5) Modi is planning to pull the plug on FGFA in the next few weeks in favour of F-35s

6) Russia has warned India that Russia would replace India with China as the partner on FGFA

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia
The strategic alliances at global and our regional levels are changing - no question about that. But if the reshuffle reaches to that point, it'll entail a lot of other interesting stuff too. For example, Russians can not only drag back from further cooperation with Indians (nuclear, missiles, tanks, sub-marines, etc. to be among the effected areas) but also share vital information to the new alliance members (including China and Pakistan) that would allow the latter to counter Indian systems more effectively. It's all speculative stage at this though.
 
These have all been in news in the few weeks.

Khawaja Asif is nill even something below that.

But all of the rest from your post has chances.

You can even tag our member Zarvan to make a wish for PAk-FA numbers for PAF ;)
 
1) PAF is looking to procure 5th generation fighters

2) China has inducted J-20 but is looking for engine tech from Russia

3) IAF is unhappy with FGFA (PAK-FA / SU-57 version for India) and has asked US LM to provide RFI on F-35. IAF plans to procure 126 F-35As

4) US has confirmed it would share info and sell F-35s to IAF only if India pulls out completely from FGFA program to avoid leaking F-35 tech to Russia

5) Modi is planning to pull the plug on FGFA in the next few weeks in favour of F-35s

6) Russia has warned India that Russia would replace India with China as the partner on FGFA

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia

1) Pakistan is working on a Indigenous design 5th Generation Fighter under Project Azm .

2) China has their own Engine program WS-series

3) Wishes , nothing more .. IAF should focus on getting 36 Rafale first .

4) Americans are Nazi's when it comes to Technology transfers .

5) We'll see ..

6) Russia will sell its Products to anyone who got Cash .. If India Ditch Russian fighter that will be final nail in the coffin

7) It was a counter strategy visit , some Defense MoU's can be signed or discussed but its a " IF " ..
 
May be true. Except for this item which I was speculating, the other items have been in news. Also, Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif is in talks with Russia as we speak.



These have all been in news in the few weeks.
Can you mention the relevant reference of these sort of news, which we can't see in our renowned news channels, or any other source????

6) Russia will sell its Products to anyone who got Cash .. If India Ditch Russian fighter that will be final nail in the coffin

The most important point of your reply................. lolzzz
 
1) PAF is looking to procure 5th generation fighters

2) China has inducted J-20 but is looking for engine tech from Russia

3) IAF is unhappy with FGFA (PAK-FA / SU-57 version for India) and has asked US LM to provide RFI on F-35. IAF plans to procure 126 F-35As

4) US has confirmed it would share info and sell F-35s to IAF only if India pulls out completely from FGFA program to avoid leaking F-35 tech to Russia

5) Modi is planning to pull the plug on FGFA in the next few weeks in favour of F-35s

6) Russia has warned India that Russia would replace India with China as the partner on FGFA

7) Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to discuss among other things procurement of fighters from Russia

PAF will not go for Russian 5th gen, they may like to have tech from Russia if China fell short at some place (probably engine) or west is not ready to provide tech or its expensive.

Only possibility of PAF getting birds from Russia is Su-3x or Mig-35, to fill required number and qualitative gap of 4.5+ gen birds which JFT production line can not fill quickly.
 
Source please?

The visit is about countering the US move to enlist Pakistan as a terror sponsor.



Too good to be true. Not yet, not yet, but the time is coming.

Capability jump: IAF looks to buy fifth-generation F-35 fighter


IAF to request for classified briefing from Lockheed Martin

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 15th Feb 18


In what would be a huge capability jump, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is increasingly interested in procuring the American F-35 Lightning II for its depleting fighter fleet.

Business Standard learns the IAF top brass is formally requesting for a classified briefing by the F-35’s prime builder, Lockheed Martin, on the capabilities of the sophisticated, fifth-generation fighter developed under the US Joint Strike Fighter programme.

The US government has not formally offered the F-35 to India. A classified briefing would require formal clearance from the US Department of Defence (the Pentagon) and the State Department. The grant of such a clearance would be an important first step towards permitting the sale of F-35s to India.

It is learnt the IAF wants to procure 126 of the variant called F-35A – the air force version of the fighter that incorporates “conventional take-off and landing”, or CTOL. Another variant, the F-35B, incorporating “short take-off and vertical landing”, or (STOVL), has been developed for the US Marine Corps. A third version, developed for the US Navy, incorporates “catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR).

The Indian Navy, which has never ruled out operating the F-35 off Indian aircraft carriers, has received a briefing on the F-35 as far back as 2010, Lockheed Martin official Orville Prins told this correspondent. However, at that stage, the F-35 was still grappling with serious development challenges.

The F-35’s affordability is also attractive for New Delhi. In contrast to the bare-bones price of $115 million for each Rafale fighter (with India-specific enhancements, spares, logistics and weapons all extra), the F-35A cost customers $94.6 million last February. Lockheed Martin says it will reduce the cost to $80 million by 2020.

A fifth-generation fighter is characterised by a “stealth design”, making it far more difficult for radar to detect; “supercruise”, or the ability to fly at supersonic speeds without engaging engine afterburners; and highly networked avionics that detect and engage enemy aircraft using a range of sensors and weapons across the battle-space.

The only true fifth-generation fighters in service are the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II. China is developing two stealth fighters – the J-20 Chengdu and the J-31 Shenyang. Russia is developing its own fifth-generation fighter, the PAK-FA, and has offered India a partnership role in developing the PAK-FA into the eponymous Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) for the IAF. Negotiations on roles and costing are over, but the Indian defence ministry is yet to accept.

The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) defence minister, AK Antony, had ruled out buying the F-35, stating that India would meet its short-term requirement of fifth-generation fighters with the FGFA. For the IAF’s long-term needs, the Defence R&D Organisation is developing the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Sources close to the Pentagon say India would not be sold the F-35 as long as it is partnering Russia in the FGFA co-development project. That is because Washington would guard against the leakage of F-35 technology into the FGFA.

Senior officers say the IAF is not enthused about the FGFA project. They point out the F-35 is further advanced in development and has already entered service with the USAF and six-seven air forces of American allies.

For Lockheed Martin, an Indian request for the F-35 would create a dilemma. The US company would rather have the IAF buy the F-16 Block 70, which it has offered to build in India in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL).

For Lockheed Martin, that would keep alive the F-16 assembly line, which has long functioned from Fort Worth, Texas, and has now moved temporarily to Greenville, South Carolina, where it is building a $2.8 billion order from Bahrain for 19 F-16V fighters.

The Fort Worth facility has been made over to building the F-35, of which over 3,000 are already on order.

Meanwhile, the assembly line in India would build new F-16s for the IAF, as well as for orders that Lockheed Martin expects from southeast Asian and central European countries. It would also provide overhaul and upgrade facilities for the estimated 3,000 F-16 fighters in service worldwide, in some 25 air forces.

As this newspaper reported (December 16, “Lockheed Martin says F-16 orders flowing in”) Lockheed Martin calculates that an Indian line would benefit, in the medium term, from new fighter orders worth $16 billion, and $6.5 billion in upgrading old F-16s.

Simultaneously, American jobs would get a lease of life, as F-16 suppliers in the US would continue feeding into the integration line in India. At least 50 per cent of the F-16 by value would continue to be made in America.

For all these reasons, Lockheed Martin is painting the F-16 Block 70 sale to the IAF as a stepping stone to eventually obtaining the F-35.

While the US has supplied the F-35 only to close allies, Washington insiders say India’s recent designation as a Major Defence Partner (MDP), and a groundswell of goodwill towards New Delhi, make conditions propitious for an Indian request. An indicator is the recent permission granted for the sale to India of the Sea Guardian unmanned aerial vehicle – so far sold only to close allies.

In 2011, the influential US Senate Armed Services Committee requested the Pentagon to study the feasibility of an F-35 sale to India. Senators John Cornyn (co-chair of the Senate India Caucus) and Joseph Lieberman spearheaded the proposal.

But US officials in Washington also complain about fatigue at New Delhi’s tardiness in following up discussions with formal requests. The mood in the Pentagon, say these officials, is: “Let New Delhi ask for the F-35. Then we’ll take things forward.”

The defence ministry and the IAF have not responded to an emailed request for comments.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/02/capability-jump-iaf-looks-to-buy-fifth.html

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...h-generation-f-35-fighter-118021401246_1.html

Can you mention the relevant reference of these sort of news, which we can't see in our renowned news channels, or any other source????

6) Russia will sell its Products to anyone who got Cash .. If India Ditch Russian fighter that will be final nail in the coffin

The most important point of your reply................. lolzzz

See Post 11

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-fa-for-plaaf-and-paf.545267/#post-10269964
 
If this story by Ajai Shukla is true, then even India is in a hard place as far as choosing next gen fighter program partner is concerned. PAF always had only choice i.e. China. It would be interesting to see how things unfold on F-35 front for IAF.
 
I couldn't guess that things have gone so far so fast underneath those hugs and handshakes between modi and Putin. The two rival camps have now taken a distinct shape.
 
India is getting 36 rafales.
india is on itw own indiginous stealth FGFA program.
india is getting f35s
and moving on ....................
 
Capability jump: IAF looks to buy fifth-generation F-35 fighter


IAF to request for classified briefing from Lockheed Martin

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 15th Feb 18


In what would be a huge capability jump, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is increasingly interested in procuring the American F-35 Lightning II for its depleting fighter fleet.

Business Standard learns the IAF top brass is formally requesting for a classified briefing by the F-35’s prime builder, Lockheed Martin, on the capabilities of the sophisticated, fifth-generation fighter developed under the US Joint Strike Fighter programme.

The US government has not formally offered the F-35 to India. A classified briefing would require formal clearance from the US Department of Defence (the Pentagon) and the State Department. The grant of such a clearance would be an important first step towards permitting the sale of F-35s to India.

It is learnt the IAF wants to procure 126 of the variant called F-35A – the air force version of the fighter that incorporates “conventional take-off and landing”, or CTOL. Another variant, the F-35B, incorporating “short take-off and vertical landing”, or (STOVL), has been developed for the US Marine Corps. A third version, developed for the US Navy, incorporates “catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR).

The Indian Navy, which has never ruled out operating the F-35 off Indian aircraft carriers, has received a briefing on the F-35 as far back as 2010, Lockheed Martin official Orville Prins told this correspondent. However, at that stage, the F-35 was still grappling with serious development challenges.

The F-35’s affordability is also attractive for New Delhi. In contrast to the bare-bones price of $115 million for each Rafale fighter (with India-specific enhancements, spares, logistics and weapons all extra), the F-35A cost customers $94.6 million last February. Lockheed Martin says it will reduce the cost to $80 million by 2020.

A fifth-generation fighter is characterised by a “stealth design”, making it far more difficult for radar to detect; “supercruise”, or the ability to fly at supersonic speeds without engaging engine afterburners; and highly networked avionics that detect and engage enemy aircraft using a range of sensors and weapons across the battle-space.

The only true fifth-generation fighters in service are the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II. China is developing two stealth fighters – the J-20 Chengdu and the J-31 Shenyang. Russia is developing its own fifth-generation fighter, the PAK-FA, and has offered India a partnership role in developing the PAK-FA into the eponymous Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) for the IAF. Negotiations on roles and costing are over, but the Indian defence ministry is yet to accept.

The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) defence minister, AK Antony, had ruled out buying the F-35, stating that India would meet its short-term requirement of fifth-generation fighters with the FGFA. For the IAF’s long-term needs, the Defence R&D Organisation is developing the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Sources close to the Pentagon say India would not be sold the F-35 as long as it is partnering Russia in the FGFA co-development project. That is because Washington would guard against the leakage of F-35 technology into the FGFA.

Senior officers say the IAF is not enthused about the FGFA project. They point out the F-35 is further advanced in development and has already entered service with the USAF and six-seven air forces of American allies.

For Lockheed Martin, an Indian request for the F-35 would create a dilemma. The US company would rather have the IAF buy the F-16 Block 70, which it has offered to build in India in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL).

For Lockheed Martin, that would keep alive the F-16 assembly line, which has long functioned from Fort Worth, Texas, and has now moved temporarily to Greenville, South Carolina, where it is building a $2.8 billion order from Bahrain for 19 F-16V fighters.

The Fort Worth facility has been made over to building the F-35, of which over 3,000 are already on order.

Meanwhile, the assembly line in India would build new F-16s for the IAF, as well as for orders that Lockheed Martin expects from southeast Asian and central European countries. It would also provide overhaul and upgrade facilities for the estimated 3,000 F-16 fighters in service worldwide, in some 25 air forces.

As this newspaper reported (December 16, “Lockheed Martin says F-16 orders flowing in”) Lockheed Martin calculates that an Indian line would benefit, in the medium term, from new fighter orders worth $16 billion, and $6.5 billion in upgrading old F-16s.

Simultaneously, American jobs would get a lease of life, as F-16 suppliers in the US would continue feeding into the integration line in India. At least 50 per cent of the F-16 by value would continue to be made in America.

For all these reasons, Lockheed Martin is painting the F-16 Block 70 sale to the IAF as a stepping stone to eventually obtaining the F-35.

While the US has supplied the F-35 only to close allies, Washington insiders say India’s recent designation as a Major Defence Partner (MDP), and a groundswell of goodwill towards New Delhi, make conditions propitious for an Indian request. An indicator is the recent permission granted for the sale to India of the Sea Guardian unmanned aerial vehicle – so far sold only to close allies.

In 2011, the influential US Senate Armed Services Committee requested the Pentagon to study the feasibility of an F-35 sale to India. Senators John Cornyn (co-chair of the Senate India Caucus) and Joseph Lieberman spearheaded the proposal.

But US officials in Washington also complain about fatigue at New Delhi’s tardiness in following up discussions with formal requests. The mood in the Pentagon, say these officials, is: “Let New Delhi ask for the F-35. Then we’ll take things forward.”

The defence ministry and the IAF have not responded to an emailed request for comments.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2018/02/capability-jump-iaf-looks-to-buy-fifth.html

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...h-generation-f-35-fighter-118021401246_1.html



See Post 11

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-fa-for-plaaf-and-paf.545267/#post-10269964

I think America will sell you just F-35A with or without technology transfer but somewhere in 2030 or maybe later.................. because 3000 planes are already ordered.... if 300 aircraft will assemble in a year ............. than ten years or more to end these orders................. so other possible options for IAF would be:
TAI-TFX
KAI-KF-X
Tejass 5
Sukhoi Su-47
 
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