Pak. denies visa to PDP leader, says Hurriyat represents J&K

[acid rain]

Lmao. Stop playing pretend. You are no musalmaan. Beta, ajao wapsi mein, ghar intezar main hain, Sehi Musalmaano ki besti karnay ki zaroorat ne hain. You Indian "Muslims" even put your hands together for a rock. For you guys shirk is nothing. Just keep worshiping 16 handed rocks and expect pity from Hindus.

The funny part is that Obama in front of reps of 60 countries only praised Indian and Malaysian Muslims.

pakistan isn't exactly ideal muslim country for the world - even though it's the only country made for muslims.

 

[DV RULES]

You are free to do whatever you want to do on Kashmir including waging a war on India

We do not advocate war but respect for legal bindings of agreements since 1948 which is continuously scorned by India.

 

[ito]

We do not advocate war but respect for legal bindings of agreements since 1948 which is continuously scorned by India.

UN resolutions are not binding on India.

 

[ares]

We do not advocate war but respect for legal bindings of agreements since 1948 which is continuously scorned by India.

UN resolution on Kashmir is under article 6 of UN charter, It is Non binding, non mandatory and non time bound.

 

[ito]

You are a kaafir. Case and point.

Why don't you come to terms with yourself?



Pakistanis in general consider Indians as retarded maal. 2 numbar ki kya zaroorat hain jab Indians pechay hain.

And you are self appointed mullah..oK

And you are free to consider India as retarded maal or what ever. we don't care

 

[doppelganger]

You are a kaafir. Case and point.

Why don't you come to terms with yourself?

Pakistanis in general consider Indians as retarded maal. 2 numbar ki kya zaroorat hain jab Indians pechay hain.

Dude why are you misbehaving with our ladies?

Please behave yourself. Show some class here.

@WebMaster @waz

@Spring Onion @levina

 

[Razia Sultana]

Shimla agreement was violated by India unilaterally by bulldozing clause 2,3, 6 in 1984, Shimla agreement didn't explain either a party hold right to invite third party into issue or not thus only approached to both parties for peaceful solution of conflicts or issues hence it has no binding on Pakistan since India violates it.

Since India & Pakistan is strict on CFL in disputed area both countries keep right to get possession literarily but India not on actual grounds as Nahru promised to give Kashmiris right for desired accession.

Even if UNSC resolutions on Kashmir are passed under chapter 6, it was/is the duty of democratic/secular duty of India to respect the mandate of Kashmiri people but not to mass kill to form PDP with frightened, harassed & assaulted innocent people with some purchased leaders thence Pakistan respects UNSC resolutions and will continue to extend its political,moral, strategic support to get free from inhuman, extremist governance.

I believe you are refering to siachin. There is no violation by India as Simla Agreement did not draw the LoC beyond NJ-9842. India only sent its troops for patrolling beyond NJ-9842 until the Chinese territory. UN resolution under Chapter 6 is not binding but still India was comitted to it until Pakistan decided not to withdraw her troops from Azad Kashmir and the subsequent wars made the resolution redundant and meaningless.

Kashmiris in India have all the freedom and power that all other Indians have. Our constitution does not debar a kashmiri or a muslim or any other citizen from occupying the highest posts in the government. The killings happenned in Kashmir when Afghan Mujahideen were diverted to India by Pakistan after Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Now Kashmir is by and large peaceful. People are freely participating in political process. We dont have any issue when you provide moral and political support to separatists in India but we do have problem when you support violence and terror in Kashmir or other parts of India from your soil. As regards to exmtremist governance please be aware that our government has never used drones or air force against the extremesits nor our army has caused any exodus of kashmiris which often happens when armies resort to brutalities. We have seen people leaving their own countries like east pakistanis in 1971, Afghans in 1979, Tibetans after 1959. Have you heard about Kashmiris leaving kashmir to escape the brutality of Indian Army? No, because its not real. Its just a propaganda.

 

[xTra]

Tum saalay rapists konsa teer mar re ho?

Well done.

I smell RazPak here.

@Jungibaaz

 

[Tameem]

Have you heard about Kashmiris leaving kashmir to escape the brutality of Indian Army? No, because its not real. Its just a propaganda.

DETAIL OF REFUGEES SINCE 1989 (OCTOBER 2010)
S.# Name of District Name of Camp No. of Families No. of Persons
1 Muzaffarabad Noor Ullah Shaheed Camp 80 443
Bashir Sheheed Camp 95 414
Abid Shaheed Camp 70 265
Naseem Sheheed Camp 82 383
Habibia Shaheed Camp 22 101
Qazi Hameed Shaheed Camp 34 159
Ishtiaq Shaheed Camp 76 318
Raees-ul-Harar Shaheed Camp 57 245
Heer Kutli Camp 76 395
Zero Point Camp (A) Rara Domishi 29 183
Zero Point Camp (B) Karka 48 280
Karka Pethika Camp 68 322
Manak Payan No.1 162 901
Manak Payan No.2 528 3335
Ambore Camp 320 1820
Al-ShafaCamp Raro amboreKarka/Kamser 108 615
Toheed Colony Raro ambore Karka /Kamser 75 263
Rara Domishi Camp 127 710
Basnara Camp 141 837
Naili Hattian Camp 88 429
Others (out of camps) 2181 8185
Total 4467 20603
2 Bagh Chattar No.2 227 1310
Mang Bajri 316 1849
Huda Bari Camp 254 1499
Others (out of Camps) 179 901
Total 976 5559
3 Kotli Gulpur 307 1814
Kotli Sohlinan 424 2628
Othere (out of camps) 505 2667
Others at Fateh Pur 14 72
Total 1250 7181
4 Mirpur Others (out of Camps) 102 689
5 Rawlakot Others (out of Camps) 12 110
Grand Total 6807 34142
Grand Total of JUNE 2010 6696 33005
Increase of Families and Persons from JUNE to OCTOBER 111 1137

Details of Refugees Camps in AJK
Kashmiri Refugees: Facts, Issues and the Future Ahead
Cover Story: The Untold Story of the People of Azad Kashmir by Christopher Snedden - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
Committee formed: Kashmiri refugees’ issues to be solved soon – The Express Tribune
Kashmir refugees living a life on hold - Al Jazeera English
Refugee Colonies in Azad Kashmir

 

[Razia Sultana]

DETAIL OF REFUGEES SINCE 1989 (OCTOBER 2010)
S.# Name of District Name of Camp No. of Families No. of Persons
1 Muzaffarabad Noor Ullah Shaheed Camp 80 443
Bashir Sheheed Camp 95 414
Abid Shaheed Camp 70 265
Naseem Sheheed Camp 82 383
Habibia Shaheed Camp 22 101
Qazi Hameed Shaheed Camp 34 159
Ishtiaq Shaheed Camp 76 318
Raees-ul-Harar Shaheed Camp 57 245
Heer Kutli Camp 76 395
Zero Point Camp (A) Rara Domishi 29 183
Zero Point Camp (B) Karka 48 280
Karka Pethika Camp 68 322
Manak Payan No.1 162 901
Manak Payan No.2 528 3335
Ambore Camp 320 1820
Al-ShafaCamp Raro amboreKarka/Kamser 108 615
Toheed Colony Raro ambore Karka /Kamser 75 263
Rara Domishi Camp 127 710
Basnara Camp 141 837
Naili Hattian Camp 88 429
Others (out of camps) 2181 8185
Total 4467 20603
2 Bagh Chattar No.2 227 1310
Mang Bajri 316 1849
Huda Bari Camp 254 1499
Others (out of Camps) 179 901
Total 976 5559
3 Kotli Gulpur 307 1814
Kotli Sohlinan 424 2628
Othere (out of camps) 505 2667
Others at Fateh Pur 14 72
Total 1250 7181
4 Mirpur Others (out of Camps) 102 689
5 Rawlakot Others (out of Camps) 12 110
Grand Total 6807 34142
Grand Total of JUNE 2010 6696 33005
Increase of Families and Persons from JUNE to OCTOBER 111 1137

Details of Refugees Camps in AJK
Kashmiri Refugees: Facts, Issues and the Future Ahead
Cover Story: The Untold Story of the People of Azad Kashmir by Christopher Snedden - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
Committee formed: Kashmiri refugees’ issues to be solved soon – The Express Tribune
Kashmir refugees living a life on hold - Al Jazeera English
Refugee Colonies in Azad Kashmir

Only 34,000 refugees over 22 years???? This looks more like the number of misguided separatists.
By the way the govt of India has announced many schemes for amnesty and rehabilitation of such people who crossed over to Azad Kashmir in the past to wage "jihad" against India.
Anyways thanks for the data.

 

[Tameem]

Only 34,000 refugees over 22 years???? This looks more like the number of misguided separatists.

That includes Women and Children....
First you denied anything above 0 and now......its only 34K

You need to open your eyes lady and smell the

 

[JanjaWeed]

Pak. denies visa to PDP leader, says Hurriyat represents J&K

We believe the Hurriyat is the true representative of the aspirations of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, an official of the Pakistan High Commission said
Hardening its position, Pakistan has denied visa to Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) spokesperson Naeem Akhtar to attend a Track-II conference in Islamabad next week, saying the “Hurriyat is the true representative of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.”

Pakistan High Commission sources here told The Hindu that the decision was taken to “reiterate” this stand.

“Our stand on Jammu and Kashmir is very clear. We believe that the Hurriyat is the true representative of the aspirations of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, and we believe that issuing a visa to Mr. Naeem Akhtar would not reflect that position,” an official said.

While visas had been denied to many Indians planning to attend such conferences in the past, the statement linking the decision to the stand on the Hurriyat is significant as it is indicative of the hardened stand after India cancelled Foreign Secretary-level talks last year over High Commissioner Abdul Basit’s discussions with Hurriyat leaders.

What makes the decision more surprising is that the visa denial comes even when Prime Minister Narendra Modi has decided to send Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar to Pakistan in March, and the Bharatiya Janata Party is in talks with the PDP to form an alliance government in J&K. Even the Hurriyat Conference did not seem to approve of the Pakistani move. “We believe there should be more, not less engagement between the people on both sides of the ceasefire line,” its chairman, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, said on the phone.

Mr. Akhtar told The Hindu that he had not yet heard officially about the visa denial and was surprised by the decision.

Cancellation of talks made Pak. toughen stand

The denial of visa to Mr. Akhtar is in line with a toughening of Pakistan’s position over the past year on Jammu and Kashmir, especially after the cancellation of Foreign Secretary-level talks by India over High Commissioner Abdul Basit’s discussions with Hurriyat leaders.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s speech at the U.N. General Assembly contained strong allegations of human rights violations by India, and on “Kashmir Day” this month, he referred to the State as the “jugular vein” of Pakistan. In contrast to previous elections in J&K, Pakistan issued a statement in December calling the recent elections a “sham.”

What these denote are drawing of new, harder lines between India and Pakistan over J&K. Just as the Modi government indicated last July that Pakistan should not have engaged with the Hurriyat ahead of talks, Pakistan now seems to indicate that it will no longer engage with anyone but the Hurriyat.

The External Affairs Ministry did not comment on the denial of visa, but it remains to be seen if the new move by Pakistan will have any impact on the fledgling attempt at restarting Foreign Secretary-level talks.

Mr. Akhtar was due to visit Pakistan to attend a “Track-II” conference organised by the Jinnah Institute in Islamabad and the Centre for Dialogue and Resolution in Delhi on February 25. “It means Pakistan is going back on its earlier stand, so they must explain if their earlier decisions in inviting mainstream Kashmiri leaders like Mr. Omar Abdullah or Mr. [Saifuddin] Soz or other Ministers flawed,” Mr. Akthar said.

In the past few years, Pakistan has allowed visits by several J&K leaders from the PDP, the National Conference, the Bharatiya Janata Party and the Congress. They include PDP leaders Mehbooba Mufti, former Minister Tariq Hamid Karra and Ifthikar Ansari and Nirmal Singh of the BJP.

Bad diplomacy by Pakistan... good for India though!
btw.. served PDP right... keep on beating the drums of talks!

 

[Bang Galore]

Only 34,000 refugees over 22 years???? This looks more like the number of misguided separatists.
By the way the govt of India has announced many schemes for amnesty and rehabilitation of such people who crossed over to Azad Kashmir in the past to wage "jihad" against India.
Anyways thanks for the data.

Rich when you think that Pakistani forces pretty much displace whole areas in the name of fighting insurgents. Before they send in fighter jets & artillery to bomb the hell out of their own country. They even have a term for these displaced people - IDP's, internally displaced people. Of course the bowl then goes out asking the Americans to help out, they were scoffing at the $250 million that Kerry gave them like it was chicken feed. Apparently they believe in their entitlement to American money to look after their own people, displaced by their own army.

 

[DV RULES]

I believe you are refering to siachin. There is no violation by India as Simla Agreement did not draw the LoC beyond NJ-9842. India only sent its troops for patrolling beyond NJ-9842 until the Chinese territory. UN resolution under Chapter 6 is not binding but still India was comitted to it until Pakistan decided not to withdraw her troops from Azad Kashmir and the subsequent wars made the resolution redundant and meaningless.

Kashmiris in India have all the freedom and power that all other Indians have. Our constitution does not debar a kashmiri or a muslim or any other citizen from occupying the highest posts in the government. The killings happenned in Kashmir when Afghan Mujahideen were diverted to India by Pakistan after Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Now Kashmir is by and large peaceful. People are freely participating in political process. We dont have any issue when you provide moral and political support to separatists in India but we do have problem when you support violence and terror in Kashmir or other parts of India from your soil. As regards to exmtremist governance please be aware that our government has never used drones or air force against the extremesits nor our army has caused any exodus of kashmiris which often happens when armies resort to brutalities. We have seen people leaving their own countries like east pakistanis in 1971, Afghans in 1979, Tibetans after 1959. Have you heard about Kashmiris leaving kashmir to escape the brutality of Indian Army? No, because its not real. Its just a propaganda.

When you (a poor innocent civilian of India) saying 'no violation of an agreement'....i can understand but on state level situation is quite different. Where is written in Shimla agreement that a Non-Demarcated area should be solved by military invasion by calling it just patrolling up to NJ 9842? Wasn't written that any issue will be settled by dialogues in peaceful manners? The who is aggressor? Or you still want to be saint?

Show me a single bilateral agreement not violated by India first? I would like to inform you about Jinnah-Mountbatten talk in 1947 when it was proposed that Pakistan and India both will withdraw their troops for peace full plebiscite and It was Patel refused to participate by saying 'Nothing to discuss with Pakistan'. Now who took U turn and aggressor? And you are taking position that Pakistan should withdraw troops to let Indian expand more legs? Kid, In which world you are living?! In which UNSC resolution stated that Pakistan should withdraw its troops unilaterally? Put a copy-past and enlighten me. May be i was missed something from past.

Compromising and continue to live by protecting lives of families with aggressor power didn't called a natural aspect of living,and that's what is happening in disputed territory and even Islam allows to protect lives under aggressor's ruling but fate of aggressor is written at last and i described it in last posts.

I think there are aliens living in UK, USA, EU, Gulf states protesting on 5th February and 15th of August as black day.
By saying 'Crow is white' doesn't change reality of Crow's colour, from 1948 UN, HRW and other organizations continuously reporting over Indian brutality in disputed J&K. btw discovery of mass graves in past years near Sirinagar and other cities not a secret facts.

 

[doppelganger]

Well done.

I smell RazPak here.

@Jungibaaz

Me too, me too.

Perseverance is one of his saving graces. Pity he has none other.