Pak, China eyeing ‘bigger economic bloc’ between Asian nations

[GURU DUTT]

Now these are just excuses.

1) India got independence earlier than China

2) 20 years ago, China was still far far better than India is today. And if anything the gap between today's China and India has widened so much that in order to catch up with China, India needs at least 60-70 years.

3) Your post mentioned China, India and Pakistan, so it is only logical to compare countries according to their sizes.

yes we are late

yes we have corruption


yes we have issues of poverty and intolerene and ignorence

but we still made progress despite bieng a democracy and taking every one along intead of killing or prescuting every one and anyone who stood up against the government as in "some"communist regimes ruled nation

and here we are we are late to get to our goals but at least world is aknowledging the fact that we are reaching there and working very hard and smartlly to reach there thats why they are investing in and with us what more proof you need of indias progress

forget india or china for a moment tell me where did pakistan started its journey and where it is today.... think about it instead of blaming other for all your misfortunes for one try to think logically and do some research i can right a essay and tell you your problems but why should i find it yourself and work upon them instead of denying them and making conspiracy theories based on your nations past and present leaders and those who supported them on there corruption , ignorence and incompetence

Pakistan is beautiful, clean, less poverty, and washrooms available in every homes.

India is ugly, dirty, poverty everywhere, and lack of washrooms all over India.

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if i tell the bitter truths here im sure i will get banned so lets leave it at that

 

[wiseone2]

SAARC is an organisation that can never benefit Pakistan. Nor do us Pakistanis have anything in common with other South Asians so why should we continue to heed this organisation that is useless from our POV?

why join ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

why join ?

Treacherous ignorant Pakistani politicians devoid of common sense & reality.

 

[Khan_21]

Access to central Asia? Stop flattering yourself. every country has access to every other country. The point is, central Asia is not a big enough market for India to pass through Pakistan, even though it may be a more economical route. India, being a rich country can manage such loss, but Pakistan being a poor country will loose out on a lot of moolah it could have made had it been in a friendly relationship with India.

India is a rich country ? OK now i have heard everything

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is a rich country ? OK now i have heard everything

These guys seriously believe their country is at the same level as Western Europe and America. I have heard indians on PDF claim that their scientists are more advanced then those of China & America. They think they are a global superpower.

 

[Incog_nito]

If somehow Pakistan but more efforts in Pakistan and look to develop another CPEC like roads and railway from Pakistan to Afghanistan and reach out to Turkemistan to access EU countries then Chinese might be just using roads and trains to reach out to Middle East, Africa(some sea after Gwadar) and EU.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

yes we are late

yes we have corruption


yes we have issues of poverty and intolerene and ignorence

but we still made progress despite bieng a democracy and taking every one along intead of killing or prescuting every one and anyone who stood up against the government as in "some"communist regimes ruled nation

and here we are we are late to get to our goals but at least world is aknowledging the fact that we are reaching there and working very hard and smartlly to reach there thats why they are investing in and with us what more proof you need of indias progress

forget india or china for a moment tell me where did pakistan started its journey and where it is today.... think about it instead of blaming other for all your misfortunes for one try to think logically and do some research i can right a essay and tell you your problems but why should i find it yourself and work upon them instead of denying them and making conspiracy theories based on your nations past and present leaders and those who supported them on there corruption , ignorence and incompetence


if i tell the bitter truths here im sure i will get banned so lets leave it at that

In 2016, Pakistan is the ONLY Muslim nuclear weapons state that has the capability to produce Fusion bombs, H-bombs and thermonuclear nuclear weapons:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

Pakistan is the ONLY nation in the ENTIRE history of mankind that has managed to repel and thwart an enemy nation that is more than 7× it's size and has abundant access to all the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst being denied that privilege itself.

Thanks to CPEC and other less talked about programs, Pakistan's economy is set to take off and propel it to eventually become a middle income nation.

Pakistan is a nation of a unique & beautiful race of people with a unique culture and way of life.

We have managed to achieve all the above despite many trying to destroy us and facing impossible odds.

Those that belong to the race and nation that has 40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor are not in a position to question Pakistan or any other nation for that matter:

http://m.firstpost.com/india/shocke...t-of-worlds-malnourished-children-916359.html

Please look at your own severe problems and weaknesses before pointing fingers at others who have got absolutely nothing to do with you or your kind.

 

[Hyde]

Good development. I believe it to be true because I had also heard about the same news from Indian radio in UK

In my opinion Pakistan should explore all avenues to strengthen bilateral relationship with neighbouring countries including India and Afghanistan and must divise multiple strategic routes to avoid over dependency on single nation.

This Kashgar-Central Asia route is likely to be the most friendly route and would help avoid unnecessary blackmailing from Afghanistan and also making the tarrif more competitive but I am still in favour of strengthening bilateral relationahip with Afghanistan and increase interdependency in the best interest of both nations.

The issue with India is, regardless of what we do, they will always remain our neighbour and the problem will perisist until we do not resolve them. The ultimate solution is going to come from negotiations and the sooner the better for the whole region

Peace

 

[GURU DUTT]

In 2016, Pakistan is the ONLY Muslim nuclear weapons state that has the capability to produce Fusion bombs, H-bombs and thermonuclear nuclear weapons:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

Pakistan is the ONLY nation in the ENTIRE history of mankind that has managed to repel and thwart an enemy nation that is more than 7× it's size and has abundant access to all the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst being denied that privilege itself.

Thanks to CPEC and other less talked about programs, Pakistan's economy is set to take off and propel it to eventually become a middle income nation.

Pakistan is a nation of a unique & beautiful race of people with a unique culture and way of life.

We have managed to achieve all the above despite many trying to destroy us and facing impossible odds.

Those that belong to the race and nation that has 40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor are not in a position to question Pakistan or any other nation for that matter:

http://m.firstpost.com/india/shocke...t-of-worlds-malnourished-children-916359.html

Please look at your own severe problems and weaknesses before pointing fingers at others who have got absolutely nothing to do with you or your kind.

well i dont usually bother to answer to people like you but i am here making an expetion congrats

thing is no nation can become rich by making itself a huge toll plazza/motorway or can become great economy by collecting toll from passing trucks only it there is no industry or its major money spinners are not paying there taxes

do you know we have been making 4 such corridoors and they are not just economik corriodars / toll roads/motorways/frieght train corridoars but ...... they are called special industrial economik corridoars with frieght train corridoars on one side + motor vehicel toll roads on the other with industrial townships all along running its full length in the middle crsiss crossed by special highways , motorways and METRO and other modes of tranport and fast communications and dedicated power genration units & security forces ask @anant_s he can explain you better about indian corridoars

point is just CEPC wont make it until and unless you end corruption and make your jameendars and waderas and buisnessmaen and rich insurialist pay there actual taxes and that too on time

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

well i dont usually bother to answer to people like you but i am here making an expetion congrats

thing is no nation can become rich by making itself a huge toll plazza/motorway or can become great economy by collecting toll from passing trucks only it there is no industry or its major money spinners are not paying there taxes

do you know we have been making 4 such corridoors and they are not just economik corriodars / toll roads/motorways/frieght train corridoars but ...... they are called special industrial economik corridoars with frieght train corridoars on one side + motor vehicel toll roads on the other with industrial townships all along running its full length in the middle crsiss crossed by special highways , motorways and METRO and other modes of tranport and fast communications and dedicated power genration units & security forces

You are just a foreigner here that is completely unaware of the ground realities of Pakistan. I came back from Pakistan a few months ago and I can confirm that there are world class infrastructure and industrial projects going on all over Pakistan that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. This is unprecedented in Pakistan. This is the first time that this has happened in our entire history. Pakistan is changing fast for the better.

When you and other indians come in PDF criticising CPEC and Pakistan you sound just like those indians pre-May 1998 that used to vehemently claim that it was impossible for Pakistan to EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. Just as those indian bollywood fantasies failed then so will the ones now.

Good development. I believe it to be true because I had also heard about the same news from Indian radio in UK

In my opinion Pakistan should explore all avenues to strengthen bilateral relationship with neighbouring countries including India and Afghanistan and must divise multiple strategic routes to avoid over dependency on single nation.

This Kashgar-Central Asia route is likely to be the most friendly route and would help avoid unnecessary blackmailing from Afghanistan and also making the tarrif more competitive but I am still in favour of strengthening bilateral relationahip with Afghanistan and increase interdependency in the best interest of both nations.

The issue with India is, regardless of what we do, they will always remain our neighbour and the problem will perisist until we do not resolve them. The ultimate solution is going to come from negotiations and the sooner the better for the whole region

Peace

india and Afghanistan are 2 nations we should always avoid at all costs. Any relation with these 2 will always be a threat to our national security. These 2 nations CAN NEVER be trusted by us. We can however try to co-exist and tolerate one another.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You are just a foreigner here that is completely unaware of the ground realities of Pakistan. I came back from Pakistan a few months ago and I can confirm that there are world class infrastructure and industrial projects going on all over Pakistan that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. This is unprecedented in Pakistan. This is the first time that this has happened in our entire history. Pakistan is changing fast for the better.

When you and other indians come in PDF criticising CPEC and Pakistan you sound just like those indians pre-May 1998 that used to vehemently claim that it was impossible for Pakistan to EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. Just as those indian bollywood fantasies failed then so will the ones now.

well road infra does not mean much when more than 90% of your population dont even own ok forgive me have acsess to a two wheeler forget four wheelers and are forced to use pulick transportlike chinchies , busses and trains

you have been to pakistan lately great so tell me how many cars , bikes did you saw using these new motor ways or how many people use orange lines or metro buses

economy becomes strong when large part of population getssustained employement that they can get feed without any fear or insecurity... in short higher the middle class better the economy it does not matter weather that middle calss eats veggies/pulses daily as staple food or beef and meat

economy becomes strong when large middle class earns good ammount of money and spends that money in the internal economy plus also pays its direct and inderect taxes and water , gas and electricity bills on time and files its tax returns on time if its in a tax payer net /level

just one toll road and that too built buy other nation by loans provided by private firms and banks given through governemnt gaurentees does not changes anything if there are floods every year and people have no alternate employement avenues like mnufacturing.... tell me what are exports of pakistan and what are its exports destinations and also tell me top five employement genrating manufacturing industries of pakistan and what percentage of pakistani population they give employement too ....... dear dont get agitated think with cool head and logic as to what im talking about .... im talikng about money and how to make it

 

[Hyde]

india and Afghanistan are 2 nations we should always avoid at all costs. Any relation with these 2 will always be a threat to our national security. These 2 nations CAN NEVER be trusted by us. We can however try to co-exist and tolerate one another.

I am not saying I am in favour of the 2 mentioned nations joining this project as the sole purpose to use Kashgar route is to avoid Afghanistan.

But at the same time I am in favour of enhancing strategic relationship with neighbouring countries as we just cannot replace them whatsoever and also not become over dependent on China either. If we have both Kashgir and Kabul routes in the card, it will only be in the benefit of Pakistan as we will be able to utilise both routes more efficiently and deter the attempts to block our access to Central Asia once the trade route has been established and operational

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

well road infra does not mean much when more than 90% of your population dont even own ok forgive me have acsess to a two wheeler forget four wheelers and are forced to use pulick transportlike chinchies , busses and trains

you have been to pakistan lately great so tell me how many cars , bikes did you saw using these new motor ways or how many people use orange lines or metro buses

economy becomes strong when large part of population getssustained employement that they can get feed without any fear or insecurity... in short higher the middle class better the economy it does not matter weather that middle calss eats veggies/pulses daily as staple food or beef and meat

economy becomes strong when large middle class earns good ammount of money and spends that money in the internal economy plus also pays its direct and inderect taxes and water , gas and electricity bills on time and files its tax returns on time if its in a tax payer net /level

just one toll road and that too built buy other nation by loans provided by private firms and banks given through governemnt gaurentees does not changes anything if there are floods every year and people have no alternate employement avenues like mnufacturing.... tell me what are exports of pakistan and what are its exports destinations and also tell me top five employement genrating manufacturing industries of pakistan and what percentage of pakistani population they give employement too ....... dear dont get agitated think with cool head and logic as to what im talking about .... im talikng about money and how to make it

Part of the CPEC initiative is to eventually industrialize Pakistan. That is already happening. Whatever conjecture written in the above post one thing is for certain, the living standard, infrastructure and general development of Pakistan is far far better now than it was 5 years ago and before. And as long as we continue this that's all that matters. The perceptions of foreigners is of no consequence.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Part of the CPEC initiative is to eventually industrialize Pakistan. That is already happening. Whatever conjecture written in the above post one thing is for certain, the living standard, infrastructure and general development of Pakistan is far far better now than it was 5 years ago and before. And as long as we continue this that's all that matters. The perceptions of foreigners is of no consequence.

no you are wrong they will only make coal based power units and not to supply power to pakistani indisutries but to give non stiop power to light up infra all along the CEPC and ots mantainence but as usual pakistani establishment , governement and media is fooling gullible pakistani population about the actual facts and figuers regarding CEPC and nobody in pakistan seems to care to ask questions as .... kahir janne do sannu ki ok ok bhai im out of this thread you win i loose keep beleaving in what you want byt and take care

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Again firstpost and that too few years old? Why can't you post latest data of India from UN World bank or Global health index site like below?

Zoom it and see for yourself. This is not some fanboy newspaper site from some ancient time. This from GHI's own website in 2016.

And??????:

http://m.firstpost.com/india/shocke...t-of-worlds-malnourished-children-916359.html

So does 28.5% of india's population equate to 40% of the ENTIRE Earth's severely malnourished and extreme poor? Please explain? If so then india has the biggest population time bomb catastrophe known to mankind. If not then the indian government must be lying about the real figures of poverty in india. Please answer these 2 points and then I will answer your question.