Pak Army Firing Drill | Tactical Combat Drill

[Kamran Abbasi]

I've had friends that served in Afghanistan tell me that 80 percent of the time they didn't even know where they were shooting at. They just heard gunfire and would all shoot in that direction. LMAO

So effectively taliban would pop off a couple of shots and these guys would be shooting non stop for 10 minutes while seeing nobdody.

you are referring to us army?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

you are referring to us army?

Yeah.

 

[Kamran Abbasi]

us army in Afghanistan= chicken army

Alhamdullilah our army got a lot of success in war against terrorism

 

[SQ8]

I've had friends that served in Afghanistan tell me that 80 percent of the time they didn't even know where they were shooting at. They just heard gunfire and would all shoot in that direction. LMAO

So effectively taliban would pop off a couple of shots and these guys would be shooting non stop for 10 minutes while seeing nobdody.

That’s bad situational awareness in a COIN environment- doesnt reflect on marksmanship skills.
On the other hand with the right intel a team from 10th mountain cleared out an entire 200man ambush with zero casualties.

 

[Kamran Abbasi]

That’s bad situational awareness in a COIN environment- doesnt reflect on marksmanship skills.
On the other hand with the right intel a team from 10th mountain cleared out an entire 200man ambush with zero casualties.

But do you agree what i posted above your comment?

 

[Inception-06]

But do you agree what i posted above your comment?

regarding the equipment and training no!

 

[Kamran Abbasi]

 

[Asimzranger]

In video we can clearly listen he was saying your head is showing from bags so i think this is his 1st or 2nd random individual drill test.

 

[SQ8]

But do you agree what i posted above your comment?

Nope
Their leadership is the issue and the Namak haram Afghanis as well.
Moreover, its the question of motivation.
The first five years the US army beat the hell out of the Taliban and killed hundreds for each on lost; because they came to avenge 9/11.

But once that died down, and the whole “rebuild” drama started then the purpose diluted and motivation dropped.

We were losing badly with lots in all operations until 2010. The ttp would just escape and leave us with a pile of casualties. ThT is because the nation wasn’t motivated and thought the TTP as lost brothers, the training did not exist as our troops were still plain straight battlefield shooters.
It wasnt until APS that the blood really got into the eyes of the troops and the nation.

 

[Kamran Abbasi]

 

[Zarvan]

Damn it Hazrat Their was no issue with the rifle,,,,, mind you the operator was pretty slow, they need to repeat these drills until their fingers become sore!!!!!!

@Signalian @balixd @Oscar Gentleman how many rounds would the regular Pak infantry man fire in training??? Is it comparable to what a US infantry man would fire or far less.

Janab look at last 20 seconds. In that he is not changing magazine. I am not talking about operator speed. Just check last 20 seconds and you would know if you watch it carefully

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The first five years the US army beat the hell out of the Taliban

A sample taken from a pool will reflect the the pool. Societies and cultures that are highly developed will have got there because they excelled at organisation, discipline, hard work, fastidius etc. Take Germany. These qualities are ingrained into their culture. Result when German workers build houses, build roads, build towns, build electric grids, build water lines, build sewer lines, build cars, build trucks the product quality is superfluous. Then the same workers clean the roads, maintain cityscapes, maintain civic utilities the result is superfluous. Everything works like tick tock. We call that a highly developed country.

Now if you get those same people and place them in uniform. Hand them guns they are going to bring those same qualities that make them so superfluous. Point being have you seen how everything is shoddy in Pakistan. Well the army is not from Mars. So the same culture pervades there even if institutionally it tries to be better. That is how it is.

 

[Signalian]

Damn it Hazrat Their was no issue with the rifle,,,,, mind you the operator was pretty slow, they need to repeat these drills until their fingers become sore!!!!!!

@Signalian @balixd @Oscar Gentleman how many rounds would the regular Pak infantry man fire in training??? Is it comparable to what a US infantry man would fire or far less.

If someone has been closely related with Pakistan Army and training, they will get instant clues whats happening.

Sir, firstly, if there is, lets say a drill, where is the Range NCO who is in-charge of this drill in the absence of a weapons officer ? If he is on the range why is he not screaming on top of his head on such a performance ?
So, this is not a drill, it seems to be just a way to test something, changing mag after 6-8-10 rounds or what in urdu you may call "shughal". Although i see a guy holding wrist watch, i still don't see the speed for making any records. He is taking his leisure time. One should attend training sessions on ranges and then know the amount of pressure that mounts w.r.t speed and accuracy. The efficiency level soars when either seniors are over-seeing or its a competition between companies or battalions or inter brigade or inter division.
You heard what the guy said," yeh sand bag k peechay chuppay huay hain, tum logon ka helmet oper se nazar ata hay". (this person is hiding behind sand bags, where as your helmet is exposed from the top)

Do you see this guy firing from side of sand bags and not standing behind sand bag to fire from top of sand bags, except in last few minutes and that also from towards the right side of sand bag only, and then he again fires from the right hand side but not from the top. Probably he is trying to show something like some difference firing from the side and firing from the top.

Secondly, drills don't happen on individual basis. If drills start happening one by one, then where is team work (squad-level, section-level) involved ? An officer may get privilege to occupy a vacant range.

Thirdly, After 80's and then 90's urban ops in karachi by PA and Rangers, it was concluded to train cadet officers in PMA to fire from both left and right sides, depending upon cover, not exposing one-self at all. This guy is exposing his left side of body when firing from left side of sand bag. He is doing it casually.

A sample taken from a pool will reflect the the pool. Societies and cultures that are highly developed will have got there because they excelled at organisation, discipline, hard work, fastidius etc. Take Germany. These qualities are ingrained into their culture. Result when German workers build houses, build roads, build towns, build electric grids, build water lines, build sewer lines, build cars, build trucks the product quality is superfluous. Then the same workers clean the roads, maintain cityscapes, maintain civic utilities the result is superfluous. Everything works like tick tock. We call that a highly developed country.

Now if you get those same people and place them in uniform. Hand them guns they are going to bring those same qualities that make them so superfluous. Point being have you seen how everything is shoddy in Pakistan. Well the army is not from Mars. So the same culture pervades there even if institutionally it tries to be better. That is how it is.

Your example will not fit here as Military and civilian establishment are very different in fact opposite in Pakistan. The training standard in military institutions makes all the difference.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Your example will not fit here as Military and civilian establishment are very different in fact opposite in Pakistan. The training standard in military institutions makes all the difference.

It will. Notice I said "So the same culture pervades there even if institutionally it tries to be better". The army as a institution was grafted on our soil by the British and any observer can see the DNA of the army is from the British Raj. So I have no doubt that as a institution the army is the least 'desi' then all other arms of the state which over the decades have been 'desified' by our politicians - prime example being the police. But the fact is this institution - PA still operates in and is organic to the wider Pakistani society from which it recruits. So it would be entirely normal and expected that wider societal culture would seep in even if the functioning is better then civil arm of government. That is simple abc of sociology. I do not pretend to be expert on military matters. But what I said stands to reason.

 

[Signalian]

It will. Notice I said "So the same culture pervades there even if institutionally it tries to be better". The army as a institution was grafted on our soil by the British and any observer can see the DNA of the army is from the British Raj. So I have doubt that as a institution the army is the least 'desi' then all other arms of the state which over the decades have been 'desified' by our politicians - prime example being the police. But the fact is this institution - PA still operates in and is organic to the wider Pakistani society from which it recruits. So it would be entirely normal and expected that wider societal culture would seep in. That is simple abc of sociology. I do not pretend to be expert on military matters. But what I said stands to reason.

The military culture and values are very different from civilian establishment.
When a cadet or a recruit enters a military institution, his whole psyche is changed by breaking his personality and then making it again, according to military standards. The way he then conducts himself, performs tasks, carries out orders and spends the rest of his life living through discipline and making decisions through mental toughness instilled in him by the military, will always stand out from the civilians. Because the psyche and way of life change after training, the example of sampling with rest of society becomes irrelevant.