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PAF's possible answer to MRCA

I think we have the ANSWER chinease built FC20 with an AESA.

Better 1 FC20 which is ready for WAR 24/7 THANKS to ally China rather then 2 F16/60 which can,t fight for lack of spares & sanctions.

But one thing AESA significantly increases the weight of the AC so we would need a more powerful variant of the WS-10A to keep the agility in tact might be WS-15 but its still under development
 
if the plane is being designed with AESA radar such points would surely kept in mind!

regards!
 
if the plane is being designed with AESA radar such points would surely kept in mind!

regards!

Bro all modern fighters are designed keeping Open Architecture. Even JF-17 Thunders have open architecture that was the reason DSI was incorporated easily and now PAF is looking for an AESA and other EW suits.
 
Bro all modern fighters are designed keeping Open Architecture. Even JF-17 Thunders have open architecture that was the reason DSI was incorporated easily and now PAF is looking for an AESA and other EW suits.

The term "open architecture" refers to computer software. How do you know DSI was incorporated easily? There is an article by two PAF Wing Commanders saying DSI was being researched since 1999.
I agree the PAF is looking for an AESA, the question is will they wait for a Chinese one or go Western.
 
The term "open architecture" refers to computer software. How do you know DSI was incorporated easily? There is an article by two PAF Wing Commanders saying DSI was being researched since 1999.
I agree the PAF is looking for an AESA, the question is will they wait for a Chinese one or go Western.
The Chinese had been researching DSI technology for almost a decade before the first JF-17 prototype was rolled out in 2003, according to Western experts. They may have decided to incorporate it onto the JF-17 in 1999.

Also, the term "open architecture" is used mainly for open-ended electronics and/or software, as you said, but it could technically be used for anything that is designed to be easily modified, upgraded or swapped on the fly. Airframe design is never really "open architecture". As far as the avionics go, it most definitely would be open-ended to allow for easy modifications in the future.

It's hard to answer your last question. We don't know the status of a Chinese AESA, or even its capabilities, whereas the French option is always available if we're willing to pay through our noses. Once we have more info re the Chinese AESA, your question will be answered more easily.
 
The term "open architecture" refers to computer software. How do you know DSI was incorporated easily? There is an article by two PAF Wing Commanders saying DSI was being researched since 1999.
I agree the PAF is looking for an AESA, the question is will they wait for a Chinese one or go Western.

Thanks for reply. Indeed term is associated with internal modification but what made you think that DSI would had not impact flight control system of THUNDER. I was talking about integrating DSI with Thunder not research on itself as a control surface.

AESA, well surely as Ex-PAF chief also said one of his interviews.But can't tell which one and when. Let's wait and see.
 
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It looks like a wild beast,will it bite ?
 
According to a respected poster, this picture was taken in March 2007 during evaluations of Rafale by the PAF, who then went on to choose FC-20. They also evaluated Gripen and Typhoon and of the 3 European fighters, Gripen came closest to their requirements.

Was the rejection based because of the price tag or was it based purely on technical grounds?
My own opinion is that much has to do with the price tag and also soft loans that we can get things(JF-17,F-22p,J-10) on from China which other wise would not be possible.
 
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The Chinese had been researching DSI technology for almost a decade before the first JF-17 prototype was rolled out in 2003, according to Western experts. They may have decided to incorporate it onto the JF-17 in 1999.

Do you have a link to that article? I'd appreciate it if you can post it here.

Was the rejection based because of the price tag or was it based purely on technical grounds?
My own opinion is that much has to do with the price tag and also soft loans that we can get things(JF-17,F-22p,J-10) on from China which other wise would not be possible.
Link to the thread: http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?p=159955#post159955
It wasn't just price tag, lots of reasons.
 
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According to a respected poster, this picture was taken in March 2007 during evaluations of Rafale by the PAF, who then went on to choose FC-20. They also evaluated Gripen and Typhoon and of the 3 European fighters, Gripen came closest to their requirements.

IMO "requirement" is not the word more like the word "funds" to describe PAF situation, though would love to see a dedicated Rafale naval squadron.
 
IMO "requirement" is not the word more like the word "funds" to describe PAF situation, though would love to see a dedicated Rafale naval squadron.

I reckon even if they had plenty of funds they'd still have gone for J-10 and JF-17 in a high low mix, except both would enter service in far more expensive configurations. Funds can't stop sanctions, that was proved in the 80s/90s when the PAF ordered 70 more F-16s. Having said that, if funding wasn't an issue in the 90s they'd probably have a fleet of Mirage 2000. Good job they didn't, J-10 looks to be much better.
 
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I reckon even if they had plenty of funds they'd still have gone for J-10 and JF-17 in a high low mix, except both would enter service in far more expensive configurations. Funds can't stop sanctions, that was proved in the 80s/90s when the PAF ordered 70 more F-16s. Having said that, if funding wasn't an issue in the 90s they'd probably have a fleet of Mirage 2000. Good job they didn't, J-10 looks to be much better.

Sorry bro i beg to differ. Fc-20 is not that much of a improvement that it deserves to be called high tech when Jf-17 is associated with low tech. We do not even know Fc-20's configuration and it would have been much better for PAF if FC-20 would have been inducted in same time frame as MKI and both would be a good match.
PAF is not repeating same old mistake of 90s. In fact PAF has ordered surplus amount of spares and not paying a single penny before these things are in their hands.
FC-20 could turn out to be a good MRCA but a big negative tag it carries is the fact that it will be almost a decade behind!
 
Bangalore: Three F-16 advanced fighters of US aerospace major Lockheed Martin will soar into the skies Monday for the flight evaluation trials (FET) of the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) the Indian Air Force (IAF) is seeking to replace its ageing Soviet-era MiG-21 fleet.

"We are flying in three F-16s from Dubai to Bangalore Aug 31 for the month-long field trials. The fourth-generation advanced fighters are currently with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) Air Force. They will be flown by our test pilots along with US Air Force pilots," a senior Lockheed Martin official told.

In the run-up to the trials, to be conducted in Bangalore, near Jaisalmer in Rajasthan desert and in high-altitude Leh in September, Lockheed Martin has flown-in an advance team, including a logistics group, for ground preparations.

"The F-16s, with fifth generation capabilities, will demonstrate to the IAF their strike power, speed, accuracy and its awesome 360-degree maneouvers, with its sophisticated active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar," Lockheed Martin director Michael R. Griswold said.

If Lockheed Martin bags the lucrative order, estimated to be about $10 billion at current prices for 126 aircraft, it will manufacture an Indian version, christened F-16IN Super Viper that will carry about 8,000kg of conventional weapons or nuclear warheads.

The other five aircraft in the fray for the order are Boeing's F/A-181N Super Hornet, the Dassault Rafale, the Saab Gripen, the Russian MiG-35 and the European consortium EADS Eurofighter Typhoon.

As per the global tender floated last year, the winning bidder will have to deliver 18 aircraft in fly-away condition, while the remaining 108 will be manufactured by the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) under a technology transfer deal.

Though the tender is for 126 aircraft, there is an option for an additional 50 percent, or 63 more aircraft.

The F-16 trials will take place a fortnight after Boeing flew in its two Super Hornets Aug 14 and conducted trials for about 10 days from Aug 17 in Bangalore before taking-off to Jaisalmer and Leh for a series of trials in hot and cold weather conditions.

During the second round of field trials, senior IAF test pilots will join Lockheed Martin test pilots to fly the tandem-seater fighters for a firsthand feel of its capabilities and technologies, especially its electronic warfare abilities.

"Initially, the IAF pilots will co-pilot the aircraft, taking controls mid-air after familiarising themselves with the systems and the advanced navigation aids. In the subsequent trials, the IAF pilots will take command of the aircraft for evaluating its various parameters, including use of weapons," a Lockheed Martin official said but declined to be named.

The IAF has formed two teams of two test pilots each for the flight trials, which will be conducted in three stages: pilot familiarisation, field trials and weapons systems trials. The third stage will be conducted in the country of manufacture.

The technical evaluation was completed early this year after the six manufacturers responded to the IAF's Request for Proposal (RFP) in August 2007. "All the trials are on a no-cost-no-commitment basis. The IAF will buy only the aircraft that meets all the parameters in terms of capabilities and cost," a defence analyst told
 
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