PAF's Dirty Dozen Made IAF Run Like Headless Chicken

[Windjammer]

This BS has been repeated as propoganda to you and you will buy it.

No aircraft in the PAF fleet was “Superior “ to the IAF in 65.
The F-86 was outclassed by the Hunter - both in terms of acceleration and armament. A F-86 pilot had to unload half his .50cal guns to cause a hunter to have critical damage - a process that required the pilot to keep the aircraft in sight for 30 seconds.
The hunter’s 20mm cannon needed a 2 second pot shot and could blow parts of the F-86 off.

The F-104 was outclassed by the Mig-21 in everything except the acceleration and vertical and its myth was all there was.

Both the PAF and IAF operated the Canberra - what superiority?

@HRK @Windjammer This BS from Indians isnt new. These people will prostitute their own mothers happily before admitting that a Pakistani was better than them.

Even before this war , PAF pilots provided specific training on how to land in Indian airport refuel stops in thick fog would do so flying to and fro from East to West Pakistan while all other flights would be grounded. Even then you know what comment these Indians would give on PAF pilots landing in those conditions?
“The Pakistanis only do this because are so superior”

The condescending hatred these people carry in their hearts would melt diamonds if it could be materialized. Its best not to engage or debate with this much vile venom.

Man I love it when rarely you take time out to first give these losers a bloody nose and then wash their wounds with salty water.

 

[SQ8]

Man I love it when rarely you take time out to first give these losers a bloody nose and then wash their wounds with salty water.

Huzoor I generally gave these online right wing Bhaktora people the benefit of the doubt for ten bloody years. But the more I recognized the hate and pride I was so disgusted that I there is no turning back for me.

This has no relation to real life, where frankly you meet all the spectrum of what India has to offer and for the most part they are as fine a people as any. But the Modi situation has really created monsters out of nowhere - just as terrorist mentality has created this class of filth(educated or uneducated is irrelevant) the same is for India. The only difference is that so far a terrorist mentality hasn’t come to power in Pakistan even though the entire western world and India itself would scream wolf about it - but a terrorist mentality has come to power in India and is now an acceptable mainstream behavior.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sherman tanks vs Patton tanks
no comparison at all outdated M4 Shermans with latest battle hardest patton tanks. Patton tanks performed well in others war around the world..

You might be forgetting that we also had our majority share of same old Sherman tanks....Patton tanks were not held with all PA armor regiments. While we had our Patton armed 1 Armored Division, you also had your Centurion armed 1 Armored Division, apart from several other Centurion equipped regiments as well.

Moreover, as you are saying .....battle hardened Patton tanks.....which classical armored battle had the Pattons fought before 1965 war? Israeli battles of 1956 were not classical armored battles in the sense that they did not fight major armor battles against Arab armor......

Israel can beat 7 seven countries at the same time..

Case of Israel...once you have guaranteed supply lines (air and land) along with continuous flow of dollars from the US (superpower at that time) then anyone can beat multiple countries.....read Operation Nickel Grass.....

Pakistan was technology best war proven fighter plane at that time and few were equipped with missiles.

Again, F-86 sabre became operational in 1949....16 years back....starfighter, hardly a dozen, were anyways too few to make an impact.

 

[peagle]

Man I love it when rarely you take time out to first give these losers a bloody nose and then wash their wounds with salty water.

And,
I love it when Pakistanis get inventive with their contributions

 

[peagle]

You had Soviet Surface to Air missiles during the 1965 war

You fielded the british made centurion mk7 which had a 105mm rifled gun capable of firing APDS. Not to mention its stabiliser

Alongside that you had the soviet pt76 and amx 13 light tanks. Pakistan had m24 chaffee light tanks from ww2.

In 1965, i would say that in terms of tech, both Pakistan and India were somewhat on equal terms (if we factor out the SAMs which india had). So you crying Pakistan had the better stuff os just sad. You dont even know about half of the stuff you lot had...and if we go by the CIA as to what they said regarding the 65 war... View attachment 810883

This whilst Pakistan was placed under full sanctions,
and India was receiving full supplies from the Soviets,
plus had greater existing stockpiles of weaponry.

 

[SIPRA]

This whilst Pakistan was placed under full sanctions,
and India was receiving full supplies from the Soviets,
plus had greater existing stockpiles of weaponry.

Here are two excerpts from the book (2012), entitled "In the Line of Duty", by Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh, GOC-in-C, Western Command, during 1965 War, which depicts the deplorable condition of IAF, during that War:

"There was no risk to the airplanes taking off from the airfield. And yet, out of fear, the Air Force authorities withdrew their Fighter Planes from the forward airfields at Pathankot, Adampur and Halwara, without my knowledge. I believe, that they got permission to do so from the Chief of the Army Staff, with the connivance of my Chief of Staff, Major General Joginder Singh. This greatly upset our communications and arrangements for close-air-support to the troops at the Front. Several calls from the Front had no effect on Major General Joginder Singh, who was supposed to be manning the Close-Air-Support Organization at my Main Headquarters, at Ambala."

"The troops on the Front, who had to bear the brunt of enemy attacks from the air, complained bitterly about the absence of our planes. A situation that I found very difficult to explain......... A most deplorable state of affairs, to say the least. The result was that during the critical period of early operations, the troops at the Front had no air-support, while Pakistani planes, taking off from Sargodha Airfield, pounded them mercilessly."

 

[PradoTLC]

That includes losses from ground fire (anti aircraft guns).
Only one Mig-21 was lost in aerial combat remaining were to AAA.

Before posting BS try and use some common sense .

Forget the fact PAF revealed camera gun kills documenting the mig21 kills

Mig21 is a local air superiority fighter not deployed for ground attack. IAF usually used hunters and su7 for that.

AAA usually attack CAS or planes on ground attack missions