PAF: Where To Get Funds From To Buy an Air Superiority Fighter

[Mo12]

Oh yeah....Coming from india.....which sent a useless probe to Mars by slapping 80% indians on their faces.

Its not useless, India done it so it can send dumb people like you away from the planet Earth

 

[Indus Falcon]

Its not useless, India done it so it can send dumb people like you away from the planet Earth

Why would India send a Pakistani to Mars? Sorry you are not making sense.

 

[war&peace]

One way to raise funds: take all the income from Fauji Fertilisers and Fauji Corn-Flakes and use that to buy new aircraft for PAF. If thereis a Fauji Pop-Corn, then use that up too.

Second way: I read on another thread on PDF; that there is $ 1500 Billion worth of Gold in Reko Dik. Take that out and PAF will be able to have an entire fleet of 2000 F-22s and F-35s with some loose change to buy inter-galactic space-ships.

But more Loans are simply a "No-No". It will lead to a bigger Debt-Trap than now. And more IMF hand-outs will be needed just to pay for the debt servicing.

Loans are never a solution and Pakistan never needed any loan. This situation is because of the corrupt elite colluding with the exploiters of IMF, World Bank and others to trap the nation.

 

[Mo12]

Why would India send a Pakistani to Mars? Sorry you are not making sense.

Oh it was just a troll reply to a guy who likes trolling on India topics.

 

[Inception-06]

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ZURICH: According to an estimate, Pakistanis have deposited $200 billion black money in Swiss banks, sources said on Thursday.
It is no secret that Pakistani politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen and some terrorist networks have been transferring huge amounts of money to Swiss banks, generated through illegal activities. Pakistan is facing the challenge of measuring and countering enormous revenue leakages and black money, its size estimated to be three times the regular economy, Swiss sources said.
According to sources, the money lying in Swiss banks of Pakistanis is to the tune of $200 billion which appears plausible as parallel economy is growing at an alarming rate of 20 per cent per annum.
The volume of black money generated in the year 2008-09 alone was not less than $40bn. This is still not final. It does not account for kickbacks in foreign trade, smuggling and foreign exchange.
Till today, no effort appears to have been made by NAB, Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), FIA, Anti Narcotics Force (AFN) or Narcotics Control Board to conduct an in-depth study to quantify the magnitude of black money and amounts shifted to Swiss banks.
Pakistani tax authorities, knowing that there exists a treaty of avoidance of double taxation and exchange of tax information with the Swiss government, have not yet taken any step to probe into hidden Swiss accounts of Pakistanis. - Online
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exactly !

 

[MastanKhan]

USD 200 billion. How many squadrons of fifth generation can be raised and equipped including your favourite JH-7 @MastanKhan ?

Hi,

I will setlle for 5 sqdrn's---to start with.

 

[Hiptullha]

It was sarcasm bro

Nah, I know. I was just jesting alongside you.

 

[Quwa]

There should be something in the Swiss banks of our politicians. Tell France and Germany that we'd buy arms from them, but in exchange, they would need to get Interpol to do some work for Pakistan.

 

[Viper0011.]

Hi,

All debates regarding Pafs end up with no funds---no money----no dinero---no dollars---. And the more I have thought about it---the more I have reached this simplest of conclusions-----.

PAF needs to get into the real estate business----it needs to create a building and construction wing to support its procurement of heavy weapons.

What it needs to do is to ask each province to donate it 2000---3000 acres of prime real estate property that can be converted to residential properties---. It needs to develop that land-----and then it needs to construct high end housing societies on the basis of pre sold----.

Services of someone like Malik Riaz may be used free of charge---he should be given the responsibility of developing---planning and modelling the society and arrange for sale at no payment to him---.

You will have all the needed funds----. If anyone has a different idea for funds---please jump in.

MK, you are a genius!!! I mean it lol . Its funny too and yet very smart. PAF's fighter qualifications will include having an active real estate license . So you pass the Realtor exam and if you pass it, then you are sent to the academy for training. Pilot-Entrepreneurs!!!

Pakistan will have funds soon, give it just a couple of more years. I am almost "near" certain that if they'll choose the Chinese option, they might get priority shipments as the PAF needs to bolster its numbers ASAP.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan You must understand something. In China the Air Force is called PLAAF = Peoples Liberation Army's Air Force. The logic behind it is, that the Air Force is subservient to the Army first, and then the Govt. In Pakistan, it is exactly the same 100% Unless the Army ok's any such fund raising / generating programs nothing is going to happen. On the other hand should the Army decide we need a new state of the art platform, funds will magically appear.

Hi,

I hear you----. The issue over here is that the Paf has convinced the army that is what is needed---otherwise a sqdrn of J10B's with aesa were ready for delivery a short while back. Air force refused it. Supposedly they kept 2 of them for flight and testing---I don't know if they still have them or not.

The air force said----'sir---we don't need them'. 'We are focusing on aesa for the JF17----'. They just did not anticipate this escalation across the border again----.

@Indus Falcon

In good old days---when I used to go to my grand fathers farm---it would seem like the time had come to a stand still----you looked at your watch after a couple of hours---and you saw only 15-20 minutes have passed by. Now even in the villages back home---time goes very fast.

And in a similar manner---conflicts amongst two aggressive nations-----it is just like sitting on knife's edge-----. The time is compressed now----it just zips by----the action and reaction time has become minimal----.

The issues that meant nothing in the past----the same issues raises red flags now---. The actions of terrorists now start hostilities between two nations---the reason for war has become the cry and slogan for war---.

What a mindset man...nations build resources to fund basic necessities like education, health kind of necessities....not to prioritize to buy fighter planes...Good luck to you and your thoughts...

Hi,

You take the threat of war away---and I promise that all the assets will be used for education and welfare----it is only because of what you want to do to us----we have this issue.

 

[Ali Q]

One way to raise funds: take all the income from Fauji Fertilisers and Fauji Corn-Flakes and use that to buy new aircraft for PAF. If thereis a Fauji Pop-Corn, then use that up too.

Second way: I read on another thread on PDF; that there is $ 1500 Billion worth of Gold in Reko Dik. Take that out and PAF will be able to have an entire fleet of 2000 F-22s and F-35s with some loose change to buy inter-galactic space-ships.

But more Loans are simply a "No-No". It will lead to a bigger Debt-Trap than now. And more IMF hand-outs will be needed just to pay for the debt servicing.

not sure what you're trying to say, but my point was to clarify that Fauji foundation is not controlling the economy, its a welfare organisation that earns it's own money and spends it on a lot of stuff, which includes education and health, in response to the comment from one of our Indian fellows

But the question is about how to hand over even more resources to the Fauji Foundation so as to fund a fighter aircraft procurement, not about running schools, hospitals etc.

What's your problem with Fauji Foundation, it's not run by Hafiz Saeed, Don't worry.. and they'll figure out how to get enough resources to buy a Fighter for The Air Force "If that's really your concern"

 

[ziaulislam]

no you cant get funds.
even if you get 100 billion dollars now from the sky, it will be better spent on health education and infrastuture

you will only get money once you are developed country

look at European countries being at risk of war with russia they dont have any money

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

All debates regarding Pafs end up with no funds---no money----no dinero---no dollars---. And the more I have thought about it---the more I have reached this simplest of conclusions-----.

PAF needs to get into the real estate business----it needs to create a building and construction wing to support its procurement of heavy weapons.

What it needs to do is to ask each province to donate it 2000---3000 acres of prime real estate property that can be converted to residential properties---. It needs to develop that land-----and then it needs to construct high end housing societies on the basis of pre sold----.

Services of someone like Malik Riaz may be used free of charge---he should be given the responsibility of developing---planning and modelling the society and arrange for sale at no payment to him---.

You will have all the needed funds----. If anyone has a different idea for funds---please jump in.

Stop the corruption, put all top leaders in jail tell them unless they cough up corruption money,they will be living in C class jail, easier said than done.

no you cant get funds.
even if you get 100 billion dollars now from the sky, it will be better spent on health education and infrastuture

you will only get money once you are developed country

look at European countries being at risk of war with russia they dont have any money

You are negating your self, also those who have weak defense get attacked.

 

[ziaulislam]

Stop the corruption, put all top leaders in jail tell them unless they cough up corruption money,they will be living in C class jail, easier said than done.


You are negating your self, also those who have weak defense get attacked.

i am stating facts, whether the facts negate themselves or not is different story..
fact is that countries even at risk are not spending much on their defence

 

[yesboss]

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Documentation of your economy, it is believed that Pakistan's informal economy is as much as its formal economy, or even if it's lesser the point is that tax rates should be lowered and tax net should be widened which would sufficiently increase the Federal budget. If the govt. can collect the real tax then it can drive the economy enough that such specific funds collecting won't be a matter anymore.
Apart from that why not hand over the mineral resources reserves such as the "recodik" and "chiniot" to PAF, that is if it so inevitable to hand over the states business to a military faction. It seems more appropriate compared to the real state business since an institution such as PAF might be able to handle the technology aspects involved in such a project much better and in the process also serve the country well, this would also spare us of our incompetent bureaucracy.

But sir @MastanKhan as you mentioned above PAF at this moment does not seems interested in any 4.5th gen jet fighter, seeing the coming years they are rather prepared to go for a 5th gen fighter near the end of this decade such as J-31 along with f-16's and jf-17's as a part of its inventory. Even if PAF get the funds they might very well expand the number of f-16's and jf-17's than go for another type knowing that after a few years they might very well be ready to procure a 5th gen jet which would make a real difference in air supremacy. In the last don't mind me saying this but sometimes it feels like if you (along with zarvan) are on a mission to led us into believe that if there is a 4.5 gen fighter about to enter the PAF whereas it is not gonna happen. Pakistan military is shy to bring there plans in the open they hide it till the very last, either your sources misled you or you colluding with them to now take it to a new level i.e. false propaganda to especially misled the cyber spies from our eastern border on this forum. Sometimes i wonder how much role have you played in sabotaging the great great MMRCA deal by playing with the minds of the innocents. Cause if PAF or IAF would have bought a 4.5th gen fighter around 2010-12 the other one would have been desperate and would have gone for the similar deal, but now this late in the current scenario PAF no longer seems in the position to make such a deal, though for IAF it is a different story.