PAF to induct 188 JF-17 aircrafts including 26 JF-17B & 50 JF-17 Blk3

[war&peace]

The B’s have come about with the recent ASR review. The simulators were sufficient but they required conversion to be centered around the base and added more time to the process -
Moreover, until now most Jf pilots come from other squadrons after a stint since we did not have them in numbers.

After evaluating the B it made sense to add it into the line since we will have fresh hands hitting the JF which could be rolled into the type faster with a B rather than just a simulator.

For 150 JF-17s, it could still be done through a simulator but it would take a higher number of hours. The same way it is done for the F-35.
However, having a B model gives additional flexibility especially when students may roll into the Block-3 since as mentioned by many here; the JF-17B is essentially the block 3.

Great .. BTW it was not you as far as I remember .
JF17B is a lot more capable than any AJT. It is full fledge fighter with AESA radar so it can be & will be used in multiple roles. It is PAF which uses all resources at its disposal in new innovative ways.. If K8 can be thought of for point defence and coin operations than JF17B is more than capable of doing multirole missions.

 

[YeBeWarned]

@Oscar is it possible that PAF might use JF-17B as a EW platform ?

 

[princefaisal]

Some of the JF-17Bs should be given the role of Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) while some should be given the strike role with H weapons & Raad missiles.

 

[MastanKhan]

Wow good news especially the 26 JF17B's

and I remembers one so called "insider" (won't mention his name) was suggesting PAF won't get any JF17Bs since we don't need dual seaters.

Hi,

And as I had mentioned a longtime ago---a lack of a two seater was a blunder by the Paf decision makers from the begining---.

The two seater was 'a must ' aircraft---. Paf thinkers got too far ahead of themselves---.

Please do name that individual---.

 

[Meliodas]

NRIET KLJ-7A

KLJ-7A has a range of 170 km against aerial target with 3m² RCS (radar cross-section) or 200 km against aerial target with 5m² RCS. It can track 15 targets and engage four simultaneously
VS
LKF 601E

LKF 601E uses a 3GHz bandwidth at the X-band, provides detection of fighter-sized targets at 170 km, tracks up to 15 targets simultaneously and engages four with air/air missiles. The radar also supports air/ground modes, with one-meter SAR resolution and terrain mapping at 300 km. Searching targets at sea, the radar can detect large targets from 200 km.

Is there any difference between the two as compared to jamming capability of iaf

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

And as I had mentioned a longtime ago---a lack of a two seater was a blunder by the Paf decision makers from the begining---.

The two seater was 'a must ' aircraft---. Paf thinkers got too far ahead of themselves---.

Please do name that individual---.

Sir, in the age of long range A2As and AEW&CS, a dual seater is as capable in AD and PD as is a single seater but it brings quite a lot of flexibility to the desk of the planners..can be an excellent for EW, and quite useful in COINs...also I want to see AirChief flying a JF17 on 23rd March parade.

 

[maximuswarrior]

So PAF will be relying on JF 17, No plans of inducting new platforms like EF or J10s to fill the gap until FGFA?

I think that is a very sound plan since the next program in line is 5th gen azm.

 

[Tamiyah]

Is there any difference between the two as compared to jamming capability of iaf

I dont think either of these are battle tested. Everything is best in papers until battle tested..

 

[MastanKhan]

You may know because it was a discussion on the forum and not very long time ago... basically it was aimed at why PAF chief does not fly a JF17 and the reason given is that, it has to be a dual seater so F16B and D are used - the only dual seaters. And when I mentioned that it will change once we induct JF17B's so the "insider" all knowing person claimed PAF is not buying any, because it is not needed... which I found totally a BS. I hope if that insiders reads this post, he apologises and updates himself. I'll still not name him but people should have decency and moral courage.

Hi,

I believe that this hiding name is not a good precedence---.

As for the Paf's decision not to build 2 seater was a very poor tactical decision---. It showed that Paf had a lack of understanding of inducting a brand new aircraft into service---it also showed that bull-sh-itters were controlling the hierarchy of the Paf at that time---. I think ' our pilots are superior pilots ' mentality was hot at that time.

This claim of simulator training be all good fell flat on its face---. Paf hierarchy needed to understand that the 'wheel' has already been invented.

A lack of a two seater gave a massive loss to the JF17 sales & tactical progress initiative---set it back by around 5 to 8 years---. It is not as if the Paf did not have smart weapons---.

 

[war&peace]

Dont think. They would go to buy more B3 instead of upgrading them

They will be upgraded since it is a lot more cost effective and JF17 is build in a modular way so it can be easily upgraded by replacing LRUs

 

[Tamiyah]

Hi,

I believe that this hiding name is not a good precedence---.

As for the Paf's decision not to build 2 seater was a very poor tactical decision---. It showed that Paf had a lack of understanding of inducting a brand new aircraft into service---it also showed that bull-sh-itters were controlling the hierarchy of the Paf at that time---. I think ' our pilots are superior pilots ' mentality was hot at that time.

This claim of simulator training be all good fell flat on its face---. Paf hierarchy needed to understand that the 'wheel' has already been invented.

A lack of a two seater gave a massive loss to the JF17 sales & tactical progress initiative---set it back by around 5 to 8 years---. It is not as if the Paf did not have smart weapons---.

If the name is exposed the person will feel too much bisti..

They will be upgraded since it is a lot more cost effective and JF17 is build in a modular way so it can be easily upgraded by replacing LRUs

Okay sir,

 

[MastanKhan]

I dont think either of these are battle tested. Everything is best in papers until battle tested..

Hi,

Training pretty much tells you what the system will do---.

It is not the system that gets battle tested persay---it is the driver that gets battle tested---it is the HUMAN that gets battle tested---.

The machine will do what it is built to do within it design parameters if tested properly---.

If the name is exposed the person will feel too much bisti..

Hi,

This is a defense forum---we talk about the welfare of the state / nation---.

We need to seperate and target those individuals who intentionally bring the level of strength down--.

And if that person is a THINK TANK or a MODERATOR---his service need to be terminated---.

 

[war&peace]

Okay sir,

PAF may induct more JF17 block-3 and Bs down the road as per the circumstances but priority will be given to upgrading the lower blocks I & II. It may start in parallel and perhaps LKF60E be used in especially the block-I

 

[NA71]

When will all complete JF17s from 2009 to now, will get new both AESA radars equally distributed i.e KLJ7A and LKF601E AESA radars ?

Any one can help comparing LKF-601E vs KLJ-7A...and why we are taking too much time the making final selection?

 

[bananarepublic]

So they guy who had leaked jf-17b picture on PDF was true that PAF would purchase both jf-17b and block iii...