PAF preparations for 2020

[CriticalThought]

Please show me one proof that K-8s can fire BVR missiles. I think they can only fire WVR missiles. There was a strategy behind making them BVR-able, and that was making them as force multipliers.

Second, I don't know what world you live in, but the human brain has been replaced about 5 years ago. Boeing has smart jets being tested that don't require a pilot per say. But pilots are used to remotely pilot them till all tests and defects are fixed up.

Lastly, my comment was for Pakistan not India. India is acquiring different jets in numbers and 4.5+ gen ones. The topic was, how could Pakistan deal with that threat appropriately. Thanks

If you need 'proof' for every single missile that K-8 can fire, then you are simply overthinking the issue. And while you're at it, provide your 'proof' that K-8 can only fire WVR missiles.

A commercial jet liner is very different to a fighter plane. There is no substitution for a human's ability to separate friend from foe in complete radar silence where you wouldn't have IFF. And that's just one aspect of the problem.

Pakistan doesn't need to constrain itself to low end/legacy aircraft in response to India's 4.5+ gen buying spree. You can keep your condescending advice to yourself.

 

[volatile]

Pakistan cant match Rafale with Typhon in numbers (reason even used ones as well as new ones are expensive) and what's the point after all to have similar capacity fighter ,only way to offset 2020/2025 (2025 seems more realistic challenge) will be to have qualitative advantage, Some options based on Indian inventory

Mig/Mirage (Same league) - F17 AESA can handle them 70 + 70 till 2020 (so looking at a force of 140)
SU-30 MKI - 250+ - Need a decent fighter as current number of F16`s are low so 76 + JF17 has to share the load
Rafale - J10C (mature platform but lacks advanced avionics as Rafale and suite so PAF has to see European route /SU35 New Infrastructure but will be much superior than SU30MKI and Rafale /J31 Can be possible answer but question remains can it be available .My hunch is Chinese are going to induct this platform as well since Numbers needed to offset F22/F35 threat matrix they need another matured platform .
PAF recent behaviour has shown they are looking for something but on the sidelines they feel they can take care with F16/JF17 so let's see ,By the way PAF has evaluated J10B inside out 2 years back again (i guess its part of brotherly relationship) .

 

[帅的一匹]

The solution is FC31, period.

 

[Akasa]

J10C (mature platform but lacks advanced avionics as Rafale

Both the J-10C and Rafale use AESA radars, with that of the latter incorporating more T/R modules. Similarly, both aircraft use integrated ECM/EW suites.

 

[volatile]

Both the J-10C and Rafale use AESA radars, with that of the latter incorporating more T/R modules. Similarly, both aircraft use integrated ECM/EW suites.

I doubt the claim about J10 (Spectra) is advance system where as J10C is still unknown and what package is offered ,PAF has to take western route similar to JF17 Indra and other EW suites, just my cents

 

[Akasa]

I doubt the claim about J10 (Spectra) is advance system where as J10C is still unknown and what package is offered ,PAF has to take western route similar to JF17 Indra and other EW suites, just my cents

To be fair, the avionics package of the Rafale is "unknown" to the public eye as well, but that doesn't preclude it from being a capable system. Same logic goes for the J-10C.

 

[volatile]

To be fair, the avionics package of the Rafale is "unknown" to the public eye as well, but that doesn't preclude it from being a capable system. Same logic goes for the J-10C.

http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/spectra/
Spectra details are available and its capabilities are some how known through operators like Qatar/Egypt can always provide us better in sight ,Im not writing off J10C but considering Avionics /EW suite integration by many vendors from Europe it is safe to say J10C avionic package will have some Western tech if not all

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/spectra

 

[Akasa]

http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/spectra/
Spectra details are available and its capabilities are some how known through operators like Qatar/Egypt can always provide us better in sight ,Im not writing off J10C but considering Avionics /EW suite integration by many vendors from Europe it is safe to say J10C avionic package will have some Western tech if not all

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/spectra

Neither of the sources you gave presented the system's specifications, but frankly that doesn't matter because its capabilities do not hinge upon the public's knowledge thereof. Where did you get the notion that the J-10C's avionics package has "Western tech"?

 

[LeGenD]

I think F-18 is a good option.

 

[CriticalThought]

@volatile raises another interesting aspect - the Qatari purchase of Rafael. This will give our pilots and intimate knowledge of the threat level from Rafael and the gaps in capability. This knowledge will be crucial in designing a counter-strategy.

 

[El_Swordsmen]

JF-17s are more than enough to counter IAF.

not yet may be after block-III it will, after block-III maybe PAF will look at other options like SU-35/Typhoon instead of waitng for J-31 5th gen. stealth

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The best option PAF has now J-11D (to replace Mirage) and J-31 (After 2023-24) and Turkish TAI TFX (2024-25) with Air Defence systems procurement like HQ-16 (which is alredy being Inducted) and HQ-9

Other then this everything is BS..

 

[Storm Force]

The euro fighter is a suberb machine and would be nitemare for India to deal with.

It immediately cancel the rafale overnight to the extent that both planes are equipped with the new fifth. Generation meteore bvrs and standoff cruise missles ie scalp and storm shadow .

The cost will be big hurdle

200 million per plane with weapons and lcc.

In contrast the thunders are costing 30 million each and a new block52,with amraam around 75 million .

The Jordanian planes are costing 5 million each. But will add very little punch .

I still think the 18 block 52,is the most sensible option between now and 2020.when the threat of we discussed reaches the critical.stage.

The j31 is a long term option Pakistan needs to order something now for delivery in 2018 /2019 onwards . This has to be a existing ready to use platform

 

[帅的一匹]

4 squadrons of FC31 can do the Magic. I make a bet that Pakistan will get stealthy fighter before IAF.

The euro fighter is a suberb machine and would be nitemare for India to deal with.

It immediately cancel the rafale overnight to the extent that both planes are equipped with the new fifth. Generation meteore bvrs and standoff cruise missles ie scalp and storm shadow .

The cost will be big hurdle

200 million per plane with weapons and lcc.

In contrast the thunders are costing 30 million each and a new block52,with amraam around 75 million .

The Jordanian planes are costing 5 million each. But will add very little punch .

I still think the 18 block 52,is the most sensible option between now and 2020.when the threat of we discussed reaches the critical.stage.

The j31 is a long term option Pakistan needs to order something now for delivery in 2018 /2019 onwards . This has to be a existing ready to use platform

They can lease J10b anytime they want, if there is a war breaking out.

 

[Storm Force]

wanglaokan, post: 9038398, member: 136307"]4 squadrons of FC31 can do the Magic. I make a bet that Pakistan will get stealthy fighter before

The thread is about the quick fix options between now and 2020 to get Pakistan ready to meet challenges of mki fatale and upgraded mirage2000.

That is a real threat

The j31;will come but that's the future as for leasing fighters that's nonsense talk .[/QUOTE]