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[halupridol]

No

why no,,,,explain?

 

[krash]

what has been more difficult for me to understand is ,, why Pakistan keeps walking on a path towards conflict wid us,,,,for what,,5 million ppl of kashmir,,,,,for those 5 million, u guys r willing to be enemy of billion+ ppl...
why???coz they r muslims?

The naivete of your question or the lack of effort behind you trying to avoid the actual question can be explained with another question; Why does India keep on walking on a path towards conflict with Pakistan and its 182 million people? For what? For people who never even wanted to be with India? Or for that matter for the frozen waste which holds no population or any other value whatsoever? Kindly revert back to my post and actually try to answer it.

@krash

India will NOT even discuss Kashmir ( First let us meet officially ; which is NOT happening )

The talks will be first and foremost on India's concerns ie cross border terrorism
India will set the terms

A wish spawned from self-delusions of power and importance. Hasn't gotten you anywhere, will not get you anywhere, as explained in the original post.

Right now we are happy to continue with the LOC skirmishes

They are ALSO a message isnt it

Yet when every time you meet a befitting response your media starts whining, your politicians start crying and you start accusing us of "unprovoked violence and ceasefire violations" and what not.

Its a text book case of a high-school bully who pretends to be big but is found too small when ever challenged. If only he tried playing nice for a change, and sensible.

AND who was asking the whole world to intervene in September October
It was Pakistan

Of course we have. Another testament to the peaceful intentions of the Pakistani state and its people.

 

[halupridol]

The naivete of your question or the lack of effort behind you trying to avoid the actual question can be explained with another question; Why does India keep on walking on a path towards conflict with Pakistan and its 182 million people? For what? For people who never even wanted to be with India? Or for that matter for the frozen waste which holds no population or any other value whatsoever? Kindly revert back to my post and actually try to answer it.

Why does India keep on walking on a path towards conflict with Pakistan and its 182 million people?

why on earth wud we want a war,,we r satisfied as things r,although abit of trade wont hurt either country,,,i dont think GOI will have any issue with the converting loc into ib.
jo ho gaya,,ho gaya,,,,,,jo jaha hae khush rahe.

For what?For people who never even wanted to be with India? Or for that matter for the frozen waste which holds no population or any other value whatsoever?

land n resources
there u go ,,,now u anser

 

[krash]

why on earth wud we want a war,,we r satisfied as things r,although abit of trade wont hurt either country,,,i dont think GOI will have any issue with the converting loc into ib.
jo ho gaya,,ho gaya,,,,,,jo jaha hae khush rahe.

And hence no end to the hostilities, ever. India cannot claim something and then live in the bubble it wants for itself, that is the point. Pakistan will not let it happen, India is not powerful enough yet. Your inability to realize that your above given statement and the fact that India occupies the lands which Pakistan claims is what obliges, nay forces Pakistan to take the hostile stance. Pakistan's is not an independence force, it is a resultant force.

You can translate the situation into an analogy of someone robbing you and then demanding you remain cordial so as not to instigate hostility.

land n resources
there u go ,,,now u anser

Isn't that the answer to your own question? Only for Pakistan its land, resources and people that rightfully belong to it.

You should still try to answer that Siachin question for yourself, it has no resources or any usable land.

 

[halupridol]

And hence no end to the hostilities, ever. India cannot claim something and then live in the bubble it wants for itself, that is the point. Pakistan will not let it happen, India is not powerful enough yet. Your inability to realize that your above given statement and the fact that India occupies the lands which Pakistan claims is what obliges, nay forces Pakistan to take the hostile stance. Pakistan's is not an independence force, it is a resultant force.

You can translate the situation into an analogy of someone robbing you and then demanding you remain cordial so as not to instigate hostility.



Isn't that the answer to your own question? Only for Pakistan its land, resources and people that rightfully belong to it.

You should still try to answer that Siachin question for yourself, it has no resources or any usable land.

ur post basically translates to,,,,Pakistan still lives in the past and wants revenge for supposed hostilities/atrocities from India.
well gud luck wid tht.

 

[Last Samuri]

Krash.

Pakistan will have to live with the status quo .

A direct consequence of being a militarily and industrially far weaker country than india.

Pakistan cant force india to negotiation and it cant take land it claims belongs to them,, by force.

Pakistan is stuck

 

[krash]

ur post basically translates to,,,,Pakistan still lives in the past and wants revenge for supposed hostilities/atrocities from India.
well gud luck wid tht.

Are you purposefully playing stupid? Who is talking about revenge here? Its land, people and resources. You want to snatch and then have Pakistan be ok with it just because you want them to....lol, now good luck with that.

ps: Will not reply and be dragged off-topic again, for posts as useless as this.

 

[krash]

Krash.

Pakistan will have to live with the status quo .

A direct consequence of being a militarily and industrially far weaker country than india.

Pakistan cant force india to negotiation and it cant take land it claims belongs to them,, by force.

Pakistan is stuck

For now. The world is an ever changing place. Only a decade and a half ago the new shinning India was nowhere to be seen and there was also once a time when Pakistan was the up-and-comer on the map. Far greater and lesser powers have traded places over the ages than India and Pakistan.

Frankly speaking 'by force' would be immensely stupid for both the parties and Pakistan realizes that. Pakistan is playing for a more politically acquired solution or did you think that we hope to rest Kashmir with a few thousand Mujahideen against 600,000 Indian soldiers? It is primarily to not let Kashmir die out and secondarily to push India towards the table, who would otherwise be perfectly happy with the status quo.

The situation boils down to; the status quo comes with the Mujahideen. India won't come to the table unless the Mujahideen go away. The Mujahideen will not go away unless India comes to the table or Pakistan will be left without chips, something which India is well aware of. So India will not negotiate because it believes itself pretty well with the given situation and hence the Mujahideen will keep on operating, unless something changes drastically on either side.

So right now Pakistan buys time until it is a political force large enough and annoying enough for India to come to the table.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

For now. The world is an ever changing place. Only a decade and a half ago the new shinning India was nowhere to be seen and there was also once a time when Pakistan was the up-and-comer on the map. Far greater and lesser powers have traded places over the ages than India and Pakistan.

Frankly speaking 'by force' would be immensely stupid for both the parties and Pakistan realizes that. Pakistan is playing for a more politically acquired solution or did you think that we hope to rest Kashmir with a few thousand Mujahideen against 600,000 Indian soldiers? It is primarily to not let Kashmir die out and secondarily to push India towards the table, who would otherwise be perfectly happy with the status quo.

The situation boils down to; the status quo comes with the Mujahideen. India won't come to the table unless the Mujahideen go away. The Mujahideen will not go away unless India comes to the table or Pakistan will be left without chips, something which India is well aware. So India will not negotiate because it believes itself pretty well with the given situation and hence the Mujahideen will keep on operating, unless something changes drastically on either side.

So right now Pakistan buys time until it is a political force large enough and annoying enough for India to come to the table.

Pakistan can never force India to come to the table

The power differential between the two countries keeps on widening in India's favour
every year

BTW what is a " political force "

The world knows and respects only two forces
economic force and military force

 

[krash]

Pakistan can never force to come to the table

The power differential between the two countries keeps on widening in India's favour
every year

Sure.....

BTW what is a " political force "

The world knows and respects only two forces
economic force and military force

The combination of the two added to a well placed position geopolitically ("friends").

 

[Shotgunner51]

Pakistan can never force India to come to the table

The power differential between the two countries keeps on widening in India's favour
every year

BTW what is a " political force "

The world knows and respects only two forces
economic force and military force

China should support our ally Pakistan on their rightful claims and protect them from aggression. Pakistan might lack the forces you mention, China should have some to spare.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Sure.....




The combination of the two added to a well placed position geopolitically ("friends").

Pakistan has ONLY China to offer economic and military aid

USA was a friend in the era of cold war ; even then it
did not help Pakistan in getting Kashmir

Saudi Arabia is not interested ; It gave a one time payment of One and Half billion USD
last year ; that is it

BTW if Pakistan's friendship with China was so strong
China would have easily solved Pakistan's economic problems

But given the SIZE of China's economy and reserves and Pakistan's DEBT
I wonder if the Higher than Himalayas friendship means really anything

 

[krash]

Pakistan has ONLY China to offer economic and military aid

USA was a friend in the era of cold war ; even then it
did not help Pakistan in getting Kashmir

Saudi Arabia is not interested ; It gave a one time payment of One and Half billion USD
last year ; that is it

BTW if Pakistan's friendship with China was so strong
China would have easily solved Pakistan's economic problems

But given the SIZE of China's economy and reserves and Pakistan's DEBT
I wonder if the Higher than Himalayas friendship means really anything

Kindly reread previous posts and try to make sense.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Kindly reread previous posts and try to make sense.

I want to know from you HOW do you propose to bring India to the table

What has Pakistan NOT tried in the last 67 years
that it can do now

Pakistan could do nothing in 1991 when India was at its weakest economically

 

[krash]

I want to know from you HOW do you propose to bring India to the table

What has Pakistan NOT tried in the last 67 years
that it can do now

Pakistan could do nothing in 1991 when India was at its weakest economically

You're not gonna read the previous posts, are you? FYI India has been brought to the table quite a few times before. Why the last time was only in Musharraf's era, a settlement was almost reached too, kindly read research.