PAF F-16s Do Incorporate DRFM Technology !

[StormBreaker]

If FATF goes away ... then it could be a good indication that some 18 to 24 F-16 Block-70/72 based on CSF release may take place.

What has FATF got to do with that

 

[Trailer23]

What has FATF got to do with that

Exactly.

I'm sorry @aliyusuf , but FATF is just a nuisance.

Its just one of the many symptoms that leads to the migraines Pakistan gets every now & then.

Lets just stick to the topic before its becomes another: F-16 the Jet

 

[aliyusuf]

What has FATF got to do with that

FATF grey list was a hanging sword over Pakistan's economic emancipation and an impediment to foreign investment in Pakistan. That grey list turning to blacklist would have brought in Iran like sanctions on Pakistan. It's imposition on Pakistan was a political ploy to force Pakistan to toe the US line. But it seems like that "the imposition" is about to be eased of. Means Pakistan has negotiated well with the US (at Davos). Some real headway is expected in Afghanistan peace process too. Things may change for the better in the upcoming months. It would herald a mood change towards Pakistan.

Exactly.

I'm sorry @aliyusuf , but FATF is just a nuisance.

Its just one of the many symptoms that leads to the migraines Pakistan gets every now & then.

Lets just stick to the topic before its becomes another: F-16 the Jet

Everything is related, my friend. It shows a trend in the overall policy and attitude.

 

[khanasifm]

There seems to be a debate going on whether the US did supply PAF with DRFM technology, some people insisting that forget the older F-16s which have gone through MLU, even the Block-52s were supplied without this cutting edge technology. However, it seems that the PAF has possessed this capability for almost a decade and found this article supporting the subject.

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ITT Exelis to supply additional ALQ-211(V)9 pods to Pakistan

AIDEWS pod-mounted system ITT Exelis has received a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract from the US Robins Air Force Base for the supply of additional pod-mounted ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The jamming pods, delivered under the $54m FMS contract, will be integrated into PAF’s fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets. Exelis Integrated Electronic Warfare Systems business vice-president and general manager Rich Sorelle said the pod-mounted system brings electronic warfare technology to its customers at much lesser cost. "Since AIDEWS is being adopted by many of our international allies and is based on our modular and scalable EW technology, future upgrade costs are shared and affordable," Sorelle added. Developed from the ALQ-211 (V) 4 system, AIDEWS provides pilots with situational awareness and protection against radar-based threats, including modern surface-to-air and air-to-air weapon systems. The (V)9 pod provides digital radar warning, high-power jamming, threat geolocation and situational awareness using line replaceable units (LRUs) interchangeable with internal AIDEWS systems. The system has been integrated into a wide variety of US and allied defence rotary-wing and fighter aircraft including the NH-90 helicopter, V-22 Osprey, MH-47, MH-60 Black Hawk, F-16 Fighter and several commercial platforms. Work under the contract will be performed at the company’s Electronic Systems division in Clifton, New Jersey, US. The company was also awarded a $49.09m FMS contract for supply of systems software and support equipment for the ALQ-211(V)9 pods in July 2011. The package included delivery of 18 pods, four pod shells, two antenna coupler sets, as well as two lab test benches and data systems.
The AN/ALQ-211(v4) is a highly capable and integrated ECM that uses digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) technology to record and re-transmit the frequencies emitted by enemy radars. Not only can this jam and spoof an enemy aircraft’s sensor unit, but it can also heavily mitigate the effectiveness of a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). Like the JHMCS, the AN/ALQ-211 is an industry-leading product.

Old news beaten to death again and again

No need for another’s thread

End of story

 

[StormBreaker]

FATF grey list was a hanging sword over Pakistan's economic emancipation and an impediment to foreign investment in Pakistan. That grey list turning to blacklist would have brought in Iran like sanctions on Pakistan. It's imposition on Pakistan was a political ploy to force Pakistan to toe the US line. But it seems like that "the imposition" is about to be eased of. Means Pakistan has negotiated well with the US (at Davos). Some real headway is expected in Afghanistan peace process too. Things may change for the better in the upcoming months. It would herald a mood change towards Pakistan.


Everything is related, my friend. It shows a trend in the overall policy and attitude.

That’s one perspective which i myself can agree with.

However, such a scenario involves many hurdles on CPEC by US. Well, let’s see how your hypothesis works with Sir @Khafee ’s thoughts about vipers coming in march if we get back to white list this month inshaAllah.

 

[Trailer23]

Everything is related, my friend. It shows a trend in the overall policy and attitude.

Well if what you're saying is true, our status won't be changing right now. We're not getting into the blacklist, but we most certainly not getting out of the 'grey' either.

 

[aliyusuf]

Well if what you're saying is true, our status won't be changing right now. We're not getting into the blacklist, but we most certainly not getting out of the 'grey' either.

Pakistan should come off FATF grey list, says Qureshi

The mood is changing ...

UK paves road for Pakistan travel

 

[kursed]

The US didn't include DRFM in the DSCA notice/offer in 2006. However, ACM Tanvir made DRFM and Link-16 approval mandatory before signing the F-16 LOA 1-2 years later. You can read about it on WikiLeaks.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07ISLAMABAD4008_a.html

Had missed this entirely, in this case, Bilal is right. Also, this:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/03/04/2016-04860/36b1-arms-sales-notification

 

[Falcon26]

The US didn't include DRFM in the DSCA notice/offer in 2006. However, ACM Tanvir made DRFM and Link-16 approval mandatory before signing the F-16 LOA 1-2 years later. You can read about it on WikiLeaks.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07ISLAMABAD4008_a.html

was it released to all PAF F-16s or just the 18 BLk 52++

 

[mingle]

If FATF goes away ... then it could be a good indication that some 18 to 24 F-16 Block-70/72 based on CSF release may take place.

If US offer F35s that would be nice Poland buying 32 F35 worth 4 billion includes logistics and training along rest fleet V upgrade yes grab more used F-16s with AESA upgrades would be great combo.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

was it released to all PAF F-16s or just the 18 BLk 52++

I'd say all until proven otherwise. The MLU kit was identical to that B52+ in terms of radar, avionics and electronic warfare.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I missed that debate thread, is that on PDF?

There seems to be a debate going on whether the US did supply PAF with DRFM technology, some people insisting that forget the older F-16s which have gone through MLU, even the Block-52s were supplied without this cutting edge technology. However, it seems that the PAF has possessed this capability for almost a decade and found this article supporting the subject.

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ITT Exelis to supply additional ALQ-211(V)9 pods to Pakistan

AIDEWS pod-mounted system ITT Exelis has received a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract from the US Robins Air Force Base for the supply of additional pod-mounted ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The jamming pods, delivered under the $54m FMS contract, will be integrated into PAF’s fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets. Exelis Integrated Electronic Warfare Systems business vice-president and general manager Rich Sorelle said the pod-mounted system brings electronic warfare technology to its customers at much lesser cost. "Since AIDEWS is being adopted by many of our international allies and is based on our modular and scalable EW technology, future upgrade costs are shared and affordable," Sorelle added. Developed from the ALQ-211 (V) 4 system, AIDEWS provides pilots with situational awareness and protection against radar-based threats, including modern surface-to-air and air-to-air weapon systems. The (V)9 pod provides digital radar warning, high-power jamming, threat geolocation and situational awareness using line replaceable units (LRUs) interchangeable with internal AIDEWS systems. The system has been integrated into a wide variety of US and allied defence rotary-wing and fighter aircraft including the NH-90 helicopter, V-22 Osprey, MH-47, MH-60 Black Hawk, F-16 Fighter and several commercial platforms. Work under the contract will be performed at the company’s Electronic Systems division in Clifton, New Jersey, US. The company was also awarded a $49.09m FMS contract for supply of systems software and support equipment for the ALQ-211(V)9 pods in July 2011. The package included delivery of 18 pods, four pod shells, two antenna coupler sets, as well as two lab test benches and data systems.
The AN/ALQ-211(v4) is a highly capable and integrated ECM that uses digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) technology to record and re-transmit the frequencies emitted by enemy radars. Not only can this jam and spoof an enemy aircraft’s sensor unit, but it can also heavily mitigate the effectiveness of a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). Like the JHMCS, the AN/ALQ-211 is an industry-leading product.

 

[Cookie Monster]

That’s one perspective which i myself can agree with.

However, such a scenario involves many hurdles on CPEC by US. Well, let’s see how your hypothesis works with Sir @Khafee ’s thoughts about vipers coming in march if we get back to white list this month inshaAllah.

In March? I don't remember @Khafee mentioning a timeline...unless I missed it.

 

[FuturePAF]

Had missed this entirely, in this case, Bilal is right. Also, this:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/03/04/2016-04860/36b1-arms-sales-notification

https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2016-04860/p-33

"ALQ-21 l(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite (AIDEWS) without Digital Radio Frequency Memory"

From the Wikileaks Leak:
"We recommend the U.S. Government offer Pakistan assurances that the United States is committed to this sale, while reassuring the Air Chief that a number of the restrictions are not unique to Pakistan."

Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM)
-------------------------------------

16. (S) Pakistan was previously cleared for separate elements
of DRFM; now they need approval for the whole package. USAF
supports immediate release, but the Defense Technology
Security Administration appears to have concerns. SAF/IA is
meeting this week with DTSA to review the issue.

17. (C) Recommendation: This decision process needs to be
accelerated.

18. (C) The National Disclosure Policy Committee will return
to Pakistan in December to perform a security survey to
confirm adequate Pakistani protection of U.S. classified
information. Tanvir is eager to participate in this survey
and is working to meet the security restrictions as stated in
the LOA. We should make it clear to Tanvir that we can speed
up the approval process of Link-16 and DRFM with enhanced
cooperation on this survey.

19. (C) We suggest Washington agencies address these issues
as a package with Tanvir. Of particular concern to the
Pakistanis is the completion of the mid-life upgrades in a
third country. This can be resolved by U.S. engagement that
reduces Pakistan's costs and involves Pakistani technicians
in the third-country effort.

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Pakistan needs to make an EW Version of the JF-17, and have it carry pods and fuel tanks to get around the expected limitations of our current F-16 Fleet and any future F-16s to be acquired. Alternatively, in order to keep up with the F-16s in terms of range, this would be where getting at least 18 J-10C (to be made into EW Platforms) would be the best option, rather than burden down the JF-17 and expect it to also carry fuel tanks. It would send a signal that Pakistan will look else where if need be, so don't think you can keep dragging out sales to Pakistan.

As far as actually having the DRFM: ACM Tanvir is the man to ask.

 

[airomerix]

There seems to be a debate going on whether the US did supply PAF with DRFM technology, some people insisting that forget the older F-16s which have gone through MLU, even the Block-52s were supplied without this cutting edge technology. However, it seems that the PAF has possessed this capability for almost a decade and found this article supporting the subject.

​

ITT Exelis to supply additional ALQ-211(V)9 pods to Pakistan

AIDEWS pod-mounted system ITT Exelis has received a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract from the US Robins Air Force Base for the supply of additional pod-mounted ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare System (AIDEWS) to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The jamming pods, delivered under the $54m FMS contract, will be integrated into PAF’s fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets. Exelis Integrated Electronic Warfare Systems business vice-president and general manager Rich Sorelle said the pod-mounted system brings electronic warfare technology to its customers at much lesser cost. "Since AIDEWS is being adopted by many of our international allies and is based on our modular and scalable EW technology, future upgrade costs are shared and affordable," Sorelle added. Developed from the ALQ-211 (V) 4 system, AIDEWS provides pilots with situational awareness and protection against radar-based threats, including modern surface-to-air and air-to-air weapon systems. The (V)9 pod provides digital radar warning, high-power jamming, threat geolocation and situational awareness using line replaceable units (LRUs) interchangeable with internal AIDEWS systems. The system has been integrated into a wide variety of US and allied defence rotary-wing and fighter aircraft including the NH-90 helicopter, V-22 Osprey, MH-47, MH-60 Black Hawk, F-16 Fighter and several commercial platforms. Work under the contract will be performed at the company’s Electronic Systems division in Clifton, New Jersey, US. The company was also awarded a $49.09m FMS contract for supply of systems software and support equipment for the ALQ-211(V)9 pods in July 2011. The package included delivery of 18 pods, four pod shells, two antenna coupler sets, as well as two lab test benches and data systems.
The AN/ALQ-211(v4) is a highly capable and integrated ECM that uses digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) technology to record and re-transmit the frequencies emitted by enemy radars. Not only can this jam and spoof an enemy aircraft’s sensor unit, but it can also heavily mitigate the effectiveness of a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM). Like the JHMCS, the AN/ALQ-211 is an industry-leading product.

DRFM is a thing of a past which specialized in RF threats.


The AIDEWS incorporates DRFM along with SIRFC (Suite Of Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures). The version PAF F-16s fly with has both the units fused in one.

DRFM is excellent to evade an R77, but what it wouldn't do well in case of an R73. To tackle this challenge, AIDEWS was developed to counter infrared-guided missiles which are practically becoming BVR in terms of range.

The US DoD specifically directed developers to increase the range of AIM-9X Block III because of the proliferation of DRFM systems. But then systems like AIDEWS were invented.