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PAF F-16 mlu specifications and 36 blk 52+ prospects

Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s - $3 billion

The package for Pakistan's new F-16s also includes:

* 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars;
* 7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines;
* 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets;
* 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS);
* 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II;
* 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft's sides to give them extra range;
* 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; DID has covered the tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems;
* 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems;
* 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;
* 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM;
* 1 Unit Level Trainer;


Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.

The principal contractors will be:

* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX;
* BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY;
* Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA;
* Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA;
* Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA;
* Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD;
* United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
* General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft.


Item 2: Weapons for F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft - $650 Million

# The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM);
# 12 AMRAAM training missiles
# these have seeker warheads, but lack engines;
# 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X;
# 240 LAU-129/A Launchers
# these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles;
# 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits;
# 1600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs;
# 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs;
# 700 BLU-109 2000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse; and,
# Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares, and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications, and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.

The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million.

The principal contractors will be:

* BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY;
* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX; and,
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.


Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits - $1.3 billion

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

* APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar;
* Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS);
* AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;
* AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems;
* Have Quick I/II Radios;
* Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT);
* SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability;
* Reconnaissance pod capability;
* Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (for training);


MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits;

* 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
* 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
* 1 Unit Level Trainer;
* 10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.


Also included are radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.

The estimated cost is $1.3 billion.

According to the DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the MLU Program equipment "to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan's F-16A/B squadron to operate safely and enhance Pakistan's conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan's air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft."

The principal contractors will be:

* BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY;
* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX;
* Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX;
* Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX; and,
* Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD.



Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR - $151 Million

The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.

More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:

* 14 F100-PW-220E engines;
* 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits;
* De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft;
* Support equipment;
* Software development/integration;
* Modification kits;
* Spares, and repair parts;
* Flight test instrumentation;
* Publications and technical documentation;
* Personnel training and training equipment;
* U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.


The principal contractors will be:

* Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX; and,
* United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.



Potential Controversies

The DSCA has said that "Release of this system would not significantly reduce India's quantitative or qualitative military advantage". India disagrees and military experts in Delhi will likely note that the same equipment (GPS, targeting pods, bunker-busters) that could potentially find uses against al-Qaeda terrorists in Pakistan's "lawless frontier" could also be used in precision strikes on India's military facilities in the event of war.

The DSCA counters that release of the F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft to Pakistan "will neither affect the regional balance of power nor introduce a new technology as this level of capability or higher already exists in other countries in the region". India does operate more advanced SU-30MKI aircraft with R-77 "AMRAAMski" missiles, advanced avionics, et. al.; these are superior in range, armament, and maneuverability to Pakistan's F-16s and will remain so. Meanwhile, India's $7-10 billion MRCA competition is certain to introduce 125-200 aircraft that are certain to be more advanced than the F-16 Block 50/52.

The U.S. DSCA adds in its submission to Congress that "The modification of the engines and Falcon UP/STAR structural updates will provide capable F-16s that can be used for close air support in ongoing operations contributing to the GWOT." The DSCA also cites the June 2004 designation of Pakistan as a Major Non-North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ally in its submission. The British commander of NATO's ISAF force in Southern Afghanistan sees Pakistan's role in a rather different light, however; he recently noted that al-Qaeda in Afghanistan is still run out of Pakistan (specifically Quetta), with Pakistani knowledge and even support from Islamist elements in its security apparatus. Ah, the dynamics of counter-insurgency in tribal societies. Pakistan angrily denies this, of course.

India's objections to this sale have been muted thus far, and phrased carefully to emphasize their effect on India-Pakistan ties rather than India-U.S. ties. Meanwhile, President Bush's personal diplomacy approach has fostered a strong relationship with Gen. Musharraf that is inclined to view such requests favourably as part of the U.S.A.'s 3-corner balancing act in the region. Barring unusual circumstances, therefore, it's reasonable to expect this sale to go through with little more than a concerned speech or two in Congress.

Courtesy of Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA)
http://www.f-16.net/news_article1878.html
 
All Pratts are small-mouths. All GEs after 86-0261 are big mouths-ALL P&W-powered F-16s are "small mouths". ALL GE-powered F-16s after 86-0261 (block 30) are big-mouths. 86-0261 and previous GE jets are small-mouths.

The shapes are NOT a perfect match. The newest 50/52's and 60's have a larger nose tire which required the intake to be reshaped to accomodate the new tires size. If you can find a newer intake you should be able to see a noticeable bump about 4 feet in on the lower surface.
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Here is a Small-mouth...
Notice the inlet is the same width as the fuselage behind it. On a Big-Mouth, the inlet is wider than the structure behind it.
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For comparison here is an F-16A Block 5.
Prior to September 1987 ALL Vipers had "Small-Mouth" inlets like the ones PW powered blocks still have today. (With or without the little lump inside the intake.)
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blk60/52+ with big mouth
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the splitter between the top of the intake and the bottom of the fuselage is swept on big-mouths and not swept on small-mouths.
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the splitter between the top of the intake and the bottom of the fuselage is swept on big-mouths and not swept on small-mouths.
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F-16C Block-30C 86-0261 is the last Block-30 for the USAF with the "Small Inlet" and F-16C Block-30D 86-0262 is the first with the "Big Inlet". #262 is also a MIG-killer.

For the two-seaters F-16D Block-30C 86-0043 is the last for the USAF with the "Small Inlet" and F-16D Block-30D 86-0044 is the first with the "Big Inlet".

note--i'm still researching for more data
 
Any updates abt PAF F-16 upgradation, I think its in dark after the recent events and relations with US.
 
Any updates abt PAF F-16 upgradation, I think its in dark after the recent events and relations with US.

If PAF doesn't have second thoughts now about USA, then it does not deserve to even exist.
 
We have said before that Pakistani planners should move toward idealism and realize that the practical, is not where it should (ought) work to be -- all arguments suggest that PAF will chose the practical, (we have experience operating F16, we have built a technical and personnel infrastructure to support the operations and of course the US throws in some crumbs now and then)

All these arguments will result in the defense of Pakistan in the hands of the US -- do you trust the US?? Some in PAF do, and they still call themselves Pakistan Air Force officers
 
If PAF doesn't have second thoughts now about USA, then it does not deserve to even exist.

In order to understand this pro-american attitude in PAF you have to study the psychology of most Pakistani men. Pakistani people are generally awed by the military might of the US and its role during the fifties earned it the admiration of many top generals and politicians of Pakistan. The tradition has been kept alive in the armed forces and especially in PAF by the consecutive military leaders. The Pak military leaders cannot resist the glamour of being seen as a partner of the world's only super power.
 
well as IAF said F 16 has no future and man i do agree with them most of airforces are not buying it and not considering it as an option even
 
well as IAF said F 16 has no future and man i do agree with them most of airforces are not buying it and not considering it as an option even

The fascination for F-16 is like the fascination for vintage cars. Once they were great cars but not anymore! Some people have a craving for the past.
 
Now I am going to give them pain on every thread who kept rejecting Mirage 2000s/Rafales and defended F-16s as a great buy, yes great buy only if such a trouble never took place in Abbottabad.
 
In order to understand this pro-american attitude in PAF you have to study the psychology of most Pakistani men. Pakistani people are generally awed by the military might of the US and its role during the fifties earned it the admiration of many top generals and politicians of Pakistan. The tradition has been kept alive in the armed forces and especially in PAF by the consecutive military leaders. The Pak military leaders cannot resist the glamour of being seen as a partner of the world's only super power.

Hi,

That is not the reason----it is the quality of workmanship of the american equipment that keeps the pak millitary enchantedf with the american equipment----quality--reliability---and performance under duress---that is what the american equipment has proven over the years. Truthful and trusted----american equipment keeps on ticking.
 
Can't deny American equipment's quality that is why Pakistan is Top 5 Buyer of US equipment, but we had a wonderful chance to get something even better, but We did not.
 
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amazingly apart from uae,all the f-16s are delivered under programs containing "peace"in the name........what contradiction;)
 
Hi,

That is not the reason----it is the quality of workmanship of the american equipment that keeps the pak millitary enchantedf with the american equipment----quality--reliability---and performance under duress---that is what the american equipment has proven over the years. Truthful and trusted----american equipment keeps on ticking.

The quality of the american weapons is undeniable but that's of no use if spare parts are not available when you need them. PAF officials know that Pakistan is prone to be the target of US sanctions and after that when they go for american weapons, I have to say that it's not only the quality that matters, there's more to it.
 
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