PAF entire C-130 fleet used as bomber aircraft in 1965 war

[Kompromat]

Respect to Squadron Leader Eric Hall, the Indian forces did not anticipate facing 1000lb bombs being dropped on their heads.

 

[Basel]

Mirages and F-16s, were actually readied to be used for nuke dropping with an innovative and quick solution to encase the nuke in external fuel tank like shell. Pakistan was surprisingly quick in not only achieving the nuclear capability but also to design a light weight deliverable device while india was still hugging its 4-tonne crude, inefficient and undeliverable test device.

No, initially Pakistan did not had nukes designed for delivery system that is why a big bomber would have be needed if need arised during 80s and Pakistan didn't had any so only option was C-130.

Making nuclear weapons is one thing and making them as per specific delivery system is another thing.

As soon as we got the F-16's PAF started practicing a technique called "bomb toss." Which they perfected pretty soon.

I could be wrong, but I don't see the Hercs fitting into that role. After all once you deliver a nuke, you need to exit the target area ASAP as well. It's not just about delivery.

It would have been dare devil mission which might ended one way only but C-130 could carry more powerful nuke due to its weight carrying capacity.

The C-130 is a good transporter, extremely rugged. But unfortunately for any kind of aerial warfare, it's a lumbering elephant.

No its not that easy targets, just check out on web how US is working on C-130s to avoid enemy jets in very hostile environment and get the job done.

 

[Indus Falcon]

No, initially Pakistan did not had nukes designed for delivery system that is why a big bomber would have be needed if need arised during 80s and Pakistan didn't had any so only option was C-130.

Making nuclear weapons is one thing and making them as per specific delivery system is another thing.



It would have been dare devil mission which might ended one way only but C-130 could carry more powerful nuke due to its weight carrying capacity.



No its not that easy targets, just check out on web how US is working on C-130s to avoid enemy jets in very hostile environment and get the job done.

Sir, when was the last time you sat in a C130?

 

[Basel]

Sir, when was the last time you sat in a C130?

I have seen it during mid 90s in Karachi.

 

[Indus Falcon]

I have seen it during mid 90s in Karachi.

Sir, Seeing it, and flying in it, are two different things.

Since, what I said, didn't make sense to you. @Windjammer @Pakistanisage @araz @MastanKhan @syedali73 Might be able to explain to you the dynamics of a C130.

Have a nice evening

 

[war&peace]

I have seen it during mid 90s in Karachi.

I have travelled a few times in C-130. I found it was even more stable than B-737. But of course the seating is not comfortable.

 

[Basel]

Sir, Seeing it, and flying in it, are two different things.

Since, what I said, didn't make sense to you. @Windjammer @Pakistanisage @araz @MastanKhan @syedali73 Might be able to explain to you the dynamics of a C130.

Have a nice evening

Dear have you worked in MoD?? Do you know how much they know about military equipment and their past and coming future??

I knew many things (which were not even publicly known) since child hood because had relatives in all three services.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Dear have you worked in MoD?? Do you know how much they know about military equipment and their past and coming future??

I knew many things (which were not even publicly known) since child hood because had relatives in all three services.

No by the Grace of Almighty Allah I never worked in MoD Never got along with bean counters.

 

[khail007]

The Ghazis of 1965!!
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The right most person standing, Group Captain (Retd.) Syed Nisar Younas (Late); he was C130 pilot.
MWO Ismail (Retd) and MWO Hafeez (Retd) both LMs. I know some of them very well.

 

[Oldman1]

By fitting an AA gun on the ramp of the C-130 in 1965 and using it with success during the war, PAF may have given US a brainwave to come up with its own Hercules gunship by converting their JC-130A, serial 54-1626, into AC-130A, the first prototype. That's 2 years *after* PAF's improvised flying AA gunship.

The U.S. had plans to turn the C-130 into gunships. Have to remember its predecessor.

Lockheed AC-130 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Origins
During the Vietnam War, the C-130 Hercules was selected to replace the Douglas AC-47 Spooky gunship (Project Gunship I) in order to improve mission endurance and increase capacity to carry munitions. Capable of flying faster than helicopters and at high altitudes with excellent loiter time, the use of the pylon turn allowed the AC-47 to deliver continuous accurate fire to a single point on the ground.[7][8]

In 1967, JC-130A USAF 54-1626 was selected for conversion into the prototype AC-130A gunship (Project Gunship II). The modifications were done at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base by the Aeronautical Systems Division. A direct view night vision telescope was installed in the forward door, an early forward looking infrared (FLIR) in the forward part of the left wheel well, and Gatling guns fixed facing down and aft along the left side. The analog fire control computer prototype was handcrafted by RAF Wing Commander Tom Pinkerton at the USAF Avionics Laboratory at Wright-Patterson AFB. Flight testing of the prototype was performed primarily at Eglin Air Force Base, followed by further testing and modifications. By September 1967, the aircraft was certified ready for combat testing and was flown to Nha Trang Air Base, South Vietnam for a 90-day test program.[7] The AC-130 was later supplemented by the AC-119 Shadow (Project Gunship III), which later proved to be underpowered.

 

[Khanivore]

The U.S. had plans to turn the C-130 into gunships. Have to remember its predecessor.

I did some basic research before posting what I said. Fact remains. Pakistan did it 2 years before US and that too with heavier guns. But do correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Oldman1]

I did some basic research before posting what I said. Fact remains. Pakistan did it 2 years before US and that too with heavier guns. But do correct me if I'm wrong.

Well congrats, but remember that the AC-47 was being used during the Vietnam War and there was urgent need for better platform.

 

[Khanivore]

Well congrats, but remember that the AC-47 was being used during the Vietnam War and there was urgent need for better platform.

Maybe so but what does it prove? It doesn't change the fact.

 

[Oldman1]

Maybe so but what does it prove? It doesn't change the fact.

It changes the fact that the U.S. already had a gunship with similar characteristics shooting from the side instead of the usual front of most planes for close air support. Pretty much a flying battleship.
Does Pakistan now have something like this?

 

[Oldman1]

What it proves is that the US had this concept prior to Pakistan. As far back as 1962, during Project Tailchaser, the US had been experimenting with a gunship type arrangement.

In December 1962, a proposal was written for a fixed-wing, forward-moving aircraft with side-firing weapons. Although a slow-mover, but forward nonetheless, a Convair C-131 Samaritan transport plane was the first aircraft used as a flying gunship testbed in mid-1963.

During Project Tailchaser they used a Convair C-131 outfitted with a single General Electric SUU-11A.

Fast forward to 1965, and the AC-47 had entered into service:

Unless it can be established that Pakistan was arming cargo-craft prior to 1962, it didn't predate the US. Pakistan didn't jump-start the US program.

Today's iteration is the KC-130J Harvest Hawk:

Also considered the fact that the previous aircraft didn't have a rear ramp for putting a gun. Only the side.

Capable of launching missiles from the rear.