PAF AND IAF 4th gen Aircraft Losses, shocking comparison

[Tejas Spokesman]

125 Fulcrums? As far as I know, Indian Air Force has 60 odd MiG-29s. How did you come up with the 125 figure? Even if you included the navy's MiG-29Ks, you would still not arrive at the 125 figure.

IAF accquired a total of 80 MiG 29s since 1986.
Current fleet strngth is around 62-63.
Plus 45 MiG 29 by Navy.

 

[Windjammer]

PAF has no more than 120 mirages (6 sqdns and a few in CCS)
Also in between 2012-19 PAF F7 fleet strength fell from 100 to 70.

Since you keep dragging Mirages and F-7s into the debate, do you know that Mirages entered PAF service in 1967......12 years before the first Jaguar arrived in India.
While half of PAF Mirage fleet consists of seconded aircraft.....all IAF Jaguars were brand new jets.
While single engine Mirages have fought in the wars, the IAF has managed to crash some 55 Twin engine Jaguars without a single real combat sortie.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

IAF practice missions are far more than PAF practixe +strike missions.
Also this IAF is in track to get 280,000 flying hours which is far far more than PAF

hahaha dork

IAF cant even manage to get 10 fighters formation in air be it in war time or peace time.

PAF F-16s and JF-17s have been conducting air strikes and close combat air support since 2005 while your IAF was and is still struggling to maintain 60% of its fleet to be air worthy.

if you want to compare crash record percentage then include 60% of your fleet since 40% is grounded at any time.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

dork

Applies only to you.

PAF F-16s and JF-17s have been conducting air strikes and close combat air support since 2005 while your IAF was and is still struggling to maintain 60% of its fleet to be air worthy.

if you want to compare crash record percentage then include 60% of your fleet since 40% is grounded at any time.

IAF always had higher fleet availability which is why IAF is comfortable revealing them to public unlike PAF which is unable to reveal them in Public.

While single engine Mirages have fought in the wars, the IAF has managed to crash some 55 Twin engine Jaguars without a single real combat sortie.

PAF lost over 70 mirages in crashes.

 

[Riddick]

Two wrong data (In both Mirage 2000 incident of Oct 2004 & Su-30 incident of Apr 2012 the jets were fully repaired back into service).
So correct figure is 40.

Now India accquired a total of 470 4th gen jets as of Nov 2019 ( 266 Su-30s, 125 MiG-29, 59 Mirage 200, 20 Tejas) which means the crash rate is only 8.5% of fleet strength.

Pakistan accquired around 85 F-16s & 112 JF-17 (total 197) so crash rate is 5.6% of fleet strength.
A very minor difference considering that US made planes have a much lower crash rate than Russian ones.

wow look at this idiots calculations ? can you explain this how 40/470 = 8.5% but 3/197 is 5.6% or 1.5% you idiot+ he wont answer to this

 

[Windjammer]

PAF lost over 70 mirages in crashes.

It may have in over 50 years of service now be a good boy and tell us how many MiG-21s did IAF crash during this period.....

wow look at this idiots calculations ? can you explain this how 40/470 = 8.5% but 3/197 is 5.6% or 1.5% you idiot+ he wont answer to this

What do expect.....he considers himself as spokes man of ......Tejas.

 

[Trango Towers]

Aircraft attrition is a norm for all air forces. These can be attributed to accidents (eg bird hits), poor maintenance or enemy action. However the frequency of attrition is what distinguishes competency. We can go on into big detail about the 3rd generation fighter plane attrition but for now let's focus just on the 4th gen fighters such as the F-16, Mig-29, Mirage 2000's, SU-30's and JF-17's

FIRST, the PAF

Since induction PAF has lost 9 F-16's, according to the most up to date database:

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/PAF/

Interesting fact in which 8 of those losses happened in 1994 or earlier, and that SINCE 1994 there has only been one loss which was in 2009.

And to my knowledge there have been 2 JF-17's lost (someone correct me if I am wrong), meaning a total of 11 4th generation planes lost since induction, and ONLY 3 SINCE 1994. A pretty decent record.

NOW, the IAF

Since induction, the IAF has lost an admitted 42 4th generation planes, this is according to their own database:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/Accidents/

These include:
12 Mirage 2000's
19 Mig-29's (including the one that went down couple of days ago in Goa)
11 Su-30's (NOT INCLUDING the possible Feb 27th one, in which case it would be 12 and therefore 43 lost in total )

and SINCE 1994 COMPARED TO THE PAF 3, IAF lost 33 4th gen planes (8 Mirage 2000, 14 Mig-29's, and 11 Su-30's)


Pretty stark comparison

india wins yaar. their numbers are higher. whats wrong with you?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Applies only to you.

shut up indiot

IAF always had higher fleet availability which is why IAF is comfortable revealing them to public unlike PAF which is unable to reveal them in Public.

if PAF does not reveal its crashes to public then how did you come up with the below figure?

PAF lost over 70 mirages in crashes.

once an indiot always an indiot.

Their is no way PAF can hide F-16 crashes since they are all tracked, same goes for any crashes which can be picked up by anyone's cellphone something which India occupied Kashmir is forbidden to do.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

wow look at this idiots calculations ? can you explain this how 40/470 = 8.5% but 3/197 is 5.6% or 1.5% you idiot+ he wont answer to this

Its 11 crashes not 3.

9 f16 +2 jf17

if PAF does not reveal its crashes to public then how did you come up with the below figure?

I never said PAF does not reveal crashes.
I said PAF never reveals availability rates of any aircraft to public

shut up indiot

Only idiot here is you

It may have in over 50 years of service now be a good boy and tell us how many MiG-21s did IAF crash during this period.....


What do expect.....he considers himself as spokes man of ......Tejas.

Mirages are comparble to Jaguars and MiG21s are comparable to F104 and F7s all three have very high crash rates.

 

[Windjammer]

According to conservative estimates , Indian Air Force has crashed over 500 of the 840 MiG-21s built between 1966 and 1984.

Mirages are comparble to Jaguars and MiG21s are comparable to F104 and F7s all three have very high crash rates.

Really, you are not trying hard to prove your absent mind here....are you.
You consider Jaguar and Mirage comparable when there is twelve year difference between their first flight and induction into service, while one was intended as a single engine strike/Interceptor while the other twin engine DPSA......just stick to being Tejas representative.

 

[Vapnope]

Man compare the stats of this year and let the numbers talk.

 

[GumNaam]

iaf is its own worst enemy...

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

I never said PAF does not reveal crashes.
I said PAF never reveals availability rates of any aircraft to public

Here is not like this wht ur stupid media feed in ur mind, Our pilot's have experience different types of aircraft such as SAF f-15, su30mmk, rafale etc.
PAF pilots serve different country as well.

Have you ever think why ?

we produce QUALITY not quantity , u already seen demo in 28feb (own helicopter shoot down ) and abhinandan.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Two wrong data (In both Mirage 2000 incident of Oct 2004 & Su-30 incident of Apr 2012 the jets were fully repaired back into service).
So correct figure is 40.

Now India accquired a total of 470 4th gen jets as of Nov 2019 ( 266 Su-30s, 125 MiG-29, 59 Mirage 200, 20 Tejas) which means the crash rate is only 8.5% of fleet strength.

Not to forget F-16s fought aireal combats against Soviets and afghans. Also bombed terrorist in war on terror for 2 decades. Both were full fledged war involving air battles.
they also participated in operation swift retort and other stand offs.
While indian 4th generation aircraft's r yet to fight a war.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its 11 crashes not 3.

9 f16 +2 jf17


I never said PAF does not reveal crashes.
I said PAF never reveals availability rates of any aircraft to public


Only idiot here is you


Mirages are comparble to Jaguars and MiG21s are comparable to F104 and F7s all three have very high crash rates.

Actually one was friendly fire kill too(f16)
PAF lost 5 in first 5 years due to active war situation, did multiple kills

Once the war was over the 4th gen loss is extremely rare...

THUS in last 25 years only 2 f16s and 1 or some say 2 jf17 were lost..
1 of the jf17 during testing

India lost more 4th gen in a year than what pakistan lost in 25 years!