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PadMan And The Pakistani Liberal

I like Armeena rana khan but these tweets are stupid.

Bollywood isn't the only source to learn about female menstrual cycle.

Feminism is not about empowering women anymore but it mostly consists of manipulation and hatred of men.

When will these Pakistani actresses ever learn? :hitwall:

Is it not the same censor board which allowed Amitabh movie Piku on constipation.

In Padman, the protagonist is also a male character played by Akshay who is concerned about female hygiene during their periods. His wife uses rags during periods. He wants to make a sanitary napkin which is affordable made of cotton pads, but there are no takers in his village to try out his pads including his wife and sisters. He decides to try it on himself by simulating a contraption made from goat blood. It is a true story but on the funny side.
 
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I agree other crap movies should also be banned but this crap movie is rightly banned. As for educating women yes should be done and can be done in respectable manner instead of crap movies. I am not moving Goal Post. I am crystal clear western bombardment of crap will not be tolerated

As it is, the reasoning given for banning this movie are simply not good enough. Ban it, if Pakistan must, but to pretend that this has anything to do with public decency is just down right dishonest.
 
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People are claiming this movie should be banned because it isn't decent and will supposedly make our society and children fahash or something.

1. The movie is not sex education video ffs its about a guy who created a cheap alternative and promoted hygiene in his village. This is like saying we should ban movies about war because then children will ask about guns and then become terrorists.

2. Open your TV , you'll see atleast 2 or 3 channels showing stage dramas which is literally softcore p*rn disguise.

3. People are pretending as if even more vulgar bollywood productions haven't been released in Pakistan. No one batted an eye when movies like Jism 2 made it to midnight shows but Padman nay zameer jaga diya.

4. Nor you nor your children (your 14 year old son isn't the angel you think he is BTW) are being forced to watch the movie. Its not like they'll be airing it in the streets. If there was such an issue then just release it as an adults only film.
 
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As it is, the reasoning given for banning this movie are simply not good enough. Ban it, if Pakistan must, but to pretend that this has anything to do with public decency is just down right dishonest.
Yes it has to do with public decency we in society don't discuss these things in front of every one sorry not going to happen we have some limits we rather have only women gather and a women giving lecture than a crap movie on screen in cinema hall were both Men and Women are sitting not going to happen.
 
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You literally made up a definition, stop playing stupid. See, this is what you right wingers do, make shit up, and pretend otherwise.

And you damn well know whom I'm talking about, again, don't pretend otherwise.
Firstly, relax and stop cursing. You seem to be triggered.

Secondly, calling Pakistanis Liberals "Pakistani Liberals" is not making things up.

And again, no such thing as "Right-wing" in Pakistan. No one here identifies as such. Once again typical Liberal projecting his Western outlook on us Pakistani "peasants". :disagree:

No, that's a fact.

It's not a fact because you say so.
The fact you feel the need to attack a person's background is evidence enough that you have no argument to make
Wrong. If someone in a position of influence is a hypocrite I have the right to point that out.
Yes I actually fucking am, and pretending otherwise doesn't help your case
You actually never made a proper argument against my case other than a emotional rant. Sorry but emotions don't win arguments.

@That Guy

Now let me explain to you Liberals something. Here's how things work in Pakistan: we have certain values here, what goes on a India (a country that kills our troops) whom you idolise, or what goes on in the West is completely irrelevant. One doesn't go to China and impose Russian values on them. Similarly you don't impose your racist, imperialistic White-mans-burden Brown-Sahib equivalent mentality on us Pakistani "peasants".

If you think Pakistan is backwards due to your own Western Imperalist bias then feel free to move out. No one's stopping you.
 
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Firstly, relax and stop cursing. You seem to be triggered.

Secondly, calling Pakistanis Liberals "Pakistani Liberals" is not making things up.

And again, no such thing as "Right-wing" in Pakistan. No one here identifies as such. Once again typical Liberal projecting his Western outlook on us Pakistani "peasants". :disagree:



It's not a fact because you say so.

Yes it is. If someone is a hypocrite I have the right to point that out.

You actually never made a proper argument against my case other than a emotional rant. Sorry but emotions don't win arguments.

@That Guy

Now let me explain to you Liberals something. Here's how things work in Pakistan: we have certain values here, what goes on a India (a country that kills our troops) whom you idolise, or what goes on in the West is completely irrelevant. One doesn't go to China and impose Russian values on them. Similarly you don't impose your racist, imperialistic White-mans-burden Brown-Sahib equivalent mentality on us Pakistani "peasants".

If you think Pakistan is backwards due to your own Western Imperalist bias then feel free to move out. No one's stopping you.

Buddy you've got it completely twisted. I haven't come across any liberals in Pakistan who are importing " Western values" into Pakistan. Of course if you consider equal rights, freedom of thought and speech, condemning backward "culture" and tolerance I'm society as western values then please charge us however you like.

Secondly you think attacking someone's background will render their argument useless ? Its no surprise that most liberals come from middle class and above, but before you lecture us about not being connection with the "real Pakistan" you can communicate in English, have internet and are using an electronic device I think that easily puts you above 80% of all Pakistanis on the social hierarchy. Also please enlighten as to how a movie about a guy who made a cheap alternative to promote hygiene I'm his village will promote "Indian values" and suddenly make us BJP operatives.
 
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I haven't come across any liberals in Pakistan who are importing " Western values" into Pakistan. Of course if you consider equal rights, freedom of thought and speech, condemning backward "culture" and tolerance I'm society as western values then please charge us however you like.
I would like to point out a couple of things here:

Firstly, Western Imperialism & racism created Liberalism. Liberalism gave us capitalism and colonialism and finally slavery and exploitation of the Third World. Only people who are still under mental servitude of the White man will associate themselves with such a destructive ideology as Liberalism.

Secondly, there is no such thing as "free speech". This concept doesn't exist even in most Western countries, except perhaps America, but that country was built on the backs of slavery and racism.

And thirdly, yes every country has problems in the world, including India and Western countries. I just love it how Pakistani "Liberals" can only strawman the worst cases in Pakistani society and then pigeonhole all non-"Liberal" Pakistanis to this strawman as if India and the West whom they idolize don't have similar or worse occurances in them.
Secondly you think attacking someone's background will render their argument useless ?
Firstly, their so called "argument" revolves around defending an Indian film from ban.

Secondly, If they are in a position of influence then yes, certainly. Influential people need to be critiqued and called out on.
but before you lecture us about not being connection with the "real Pakistan" you can communicate in English, have internet and are using an electronic device I think that easily puts you above 80% of all Pakistanis on the social hierarchy.
And I'm using all of this to dismantle and critique Western Imperialism and the Pakistani "Liberals" who are championing it.

Unlike Pakistani "Liberals" I'm not promoting a racist and Imperalist Western Ideology.

Also please enlighten as to how a movie about a guy who made a cheap alternative to promote hygiene I'm his village will promote "Indian values" and suddenly make us BJP operatives.
Firstly, India promotes Separatists in Pakistan, oppresses Kashmiris, and kills Pakistani troops on the LoC. The fact that Pakistani "Liberals" are in a hissy-fit over the banning of an Indian film goes to show where their loyalty lies.

Secondly, we have our own ways of dealing with issues within the cultural paradigm of our own people. Did women not know how to deal with menstruation before?

We have public decency. We have certain people to whom girls can go to to receive advice regarding such issues like older women or medical professionals. No one here is arguing for women to be chained up and forced to deal with issues in silence. So Pakistani "Liberals" need to stop creating this strawman of "if we don't allow women to shove their personal business in every Tom, Dick, and Harry's face then we are backwards 5th century cavemen".

@war&peace @El Sidd @Jon-Snow @Mav3rick @Iqbal Ali
 
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people who can afford to pay 500 rs to watch a movie are literate enough to care about there hygiene they dont need indian movies to teach them about it!!

so banning this or any indian movie is the right move and argueing that it will educate people are stupid cause jin ko is education ki sab say zyada zarorat hai hoh 500 ki movie toh barri baat 2 waqt ki rooti affrod nai kar saktay!!
 
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Essentially this is an issue that should be TAUGHT in schools rather than a Bollywood movie being something to introduce it.

Bollywood needs banning, rather ANYTHING that sends a Rupee into India needs to be shut down.

Trade perhaps, but as a barter. No liquid asset exchanges.
 
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Firstly, relax and stop cursing. You seem to be triggered.

Why? Does me swearing offend you? Sorry boyo, I don't much give a **** about your snow flake feelings, especially since you're throwing a temper tantrum, because people are calling you out on your BS.

Secondly, calling Pakistanis Liberals "Pakistani Liberals" is not making things up.

And again, no such thing as "Right-wing" in Pakistan. No one here identifies as such. Once again typical Liberal projecting his Western outlook on us Pakistani "peasants". :disagree:
The fact that you don't even know the definition of liberal, and literally had to make up your own definition, and then claiming that there isn't a right wing base in Pakistan, which again proves you don't know what the definition of another political leaning means, is proof enough that you don't know what you're talking about.

Do you even know what a political spectrum is? No, you really don't.

It's not a fact because you say so.

It's a fact, because facts are established and proven. You can't just give your emotionally driven opinion and then claim that's fact, and dismiss my own established and proven actual fact.

Wrong. If someone in a position of influence is a hypocrite I have the right to point that out.

Apparently, I'm in a position of influence.

Liberal =/= elite. Once again, you're making up your own definition.

You actually never made a proper argument against my case other than a emotional rant. Sorry but emotions don't win arguments.
I agree, which is why I never made an emotional argument, YOU did. 99% of your argument is based on "it hurts my feels and morals, so ban the film", guess what? The real world doesn't care about your feelings.

[wuote]@That Guy

Now let me explain to you Liberals something. Here's how things work in Pakistan: we have certain values here, what goes on a India (a country that kills our troops) whom you idolise, or what goes on in the West is completely irrelevant. One doesn't go to China and impose Russian values on them. Similarly you don't impose your racist, imperialistic White-mans-burden Brown-Sahib equivalent mentality on us Pakistani "peasants".[/quote]

Good job creating ANOTHER straw-man. Not only can you not make a proper argument, but are accusing me of being an Indian shill.

Pathetic.

Now let me explain to you, why your argument doesn't work.

Culture and values change, the end.

If we used your logic, the Mashal Khan's murderers, and Mumtaz Qadri would have been released by the courts.

If you think Pakistan is backwards due to your own Western Imperalist bias then feel free to move out. No one's stopping you.
No, I think Pakistan right now is doing a good job countering the US's narrative, but once again, feel free to use your straw man arguments, because you continue to prove you have no real argument to make.

Pakistan DOES have backwards societal norms, a lot of it being imported from Afghanistan and British imperialism, and let's not pretend otherwise. Pakistan should be FAR ahead of India, its per capital gdp should be almost double, yet the idiotic right wing base in Pakistan has continued to hold the country back.

Yes it has to do with public decency we in society don't discuss these things in front of every one sorry not going to happen we have some limits we rather have only women gather and a women giving lecture than a crap movie on screen in cinema hall were both Men and Women are sitting not going to happen.
Even that doesn't happen, so your entire argument falls apart.

Not to mention far worse movies have been released, and not a single one of your side said a word.

Public decency isn't an excuse, it's a way to make yourself feel better.
 
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Why? Does me swearing offend you? Sorry boyo, I don't much give a **** about your snow flake feelings, especially since you're throwing a temper tantrum, because people are calling you out on your BS.
Lol, clearly I touched a raw nerve somewhere. :lol:
you're throwing a temper tantrum
Yeah because I'm the one cursing and getting personal with people here. :disagree:

I take it that I won the argument since all you have is personal attacks and emotional rants.
 
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Why? Does me swearing offend you? Sorry boyo, I don't much give a **** about your snow flake feelings, especially since you're throwing a temper tantrum, because people are calling you out on your BS.


The fact that you don't even know the definition of liberal, and literally had to make up your own definition, and then claiming that there isn't a right wing base in Pakistan, which again proves you don't know what the definition of another political leaning means, is proof enough that you don't know what you're talking about.

Do you even know what a political spectrum is? No, you really don't.



It's a fact, because facts are established and proven. You can't just give your emotionally driven opinion and then claim that's fact, and dismiss my own established and proven actual fact.



Apparently, I'm in a position of influence.

Liberal =/= elite. Once again, you're making up your own definition.


I agree, which is why I never made an emotional argument, YOU did. 99% of your argument is based on "it hurts my feels and morals, so ban the film", guess what? The real world doesn't care about your feelings.

[wuote]@That Guy

Now let me explain to you Liberals something. Here's how things work in Pakistan: we have certain values here, what goes on a India (a country that kills our troops) whom you idolise, or what goes on in the West is completely irrelevant. One doesn't go to China and impose Russian values on them. Similarly you don't impose your racist, imperialistic White-mans-burden Brown-Sahib equivalent mentality on us Pakistani "peasants".



Good job creating ANOTHER straw-man. Not only can you not make a proper argument, but are accusing me of being an Indian shill.

Pathetic.

Now let me explain to you, why your argument doesn't work.

Culture and values change, the end.

If we used your logic, the Mashal Khan's murderers, and Mumtaz Qadri would have been released by the courts.


No, I think Pakistan right now is doing a good job countering the US's narrative, but once again, feel free to use your straw man arguments, because you continue to prove you have no real argument to make.

Pakistan DOES have backwards societal norms, a lot of it being imported from Afghanistan and British imperialism, and let's not pretend otherwise. Pakistan should be FAR ahead of India, its per capital gdp should be almost double, yet the idiotic right wing base in Pakistan has continued to hold the country back.


Even that doesn't happen, so your entire argument falls apart.

Not to mention far worse movies have been released, and not a single one of your side said a word.

Public decency isn't an excuse, it's a way to make yourself feel better.[/QUOTE]

Yes that happens you being in denial mode and delusional bubble is your problem not ours. These kind of issues which girl face in our society it's never the father who educate their daughters about this it always the mother or the elder sister or some other women in the family. Same wise boys are taught by their fathers mostly about these issues or some other male or they get to know from friends but Mom don't do it and you want this to be shown in cinema halls in were both Men and Women are sitting no Sir we don't tolerate this kind of crap in society.
 
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Exactly . @TheLahoriGuy
Whole pakistan was gone crazy on the release of jism 2 where a **** star acted nd that indecency was being watched nd yearned by millions of pakistanis but here , a movie comes about hygiene nd there's nothing indecent in movie ... nd suddenly these watchers of jism 2 felt their haya sharam nd ego rising up .
 
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Exactly . @TheLahoriGuy
Whole pakistan was gone crazy on the release of jism 2 where a **** star acted nd that indecency was being watched nd yearned by millions of pakistanis but here , a movie comes about hygiene nd there's nothing indecent in movie ... nd suddenly these watchers of jism 2 felt their haya sharam nd ego rising up .
Straw man.

This is the best you Pakistani "Liberals" can do: "oh but what about that dirty film Jism?"

Thing is if we normal Pakistanis pushed for banning every Bollywood film you "Liberals" would have gotten your panties in a twist over that too. So your strawman doesn't fly.

Here's what I say: ban all be-haya media, though Indian media should be banned regardless because we are at war with that country.
 
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