PAC You Are Missing Out

[Ahmet Pasha]

Embraer considers new partnerships for KC-390 after Boeing walks away

The company remains positive about the international sales prospects of the aircraft, despite losing the sales network of the US aerospace giant and a potential entry point into the US military market.

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Yo PAC you're missing out on some quality business action. Ask the MoD to re route some of that money being wasted on HIT and POF towards this great investment oppurtunity. Get a stake in Embraer. You won't regret it. Stop thinking you're not a commercial entity. You're selling jets, trainers to so many nations you are a money making entity by all means. Don't let naysayers hold you down.

P.S
If anyone has a flight global membership hook us up with the full article.

 

[Sinnerman108]

PAC is run by officers doing naukri

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

doing naukri

Does that mean doing bare minimum without any motivation for innovating??

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Does that mean doing bare minimum without any motivation for innovating??

you almost nailed it
almost because you missed out their main trait.
it is discouraging innovation and suppressing new ideas.
pulling ranks when challenged.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

you almost nailed it
almost because you missed out their main trait.
it is discouraging innovation and suppressing new ideas.
pulling ranks when challenged.

That is why I say PakMil is not getting quality officers/recruits by only taking 18 boys and making them into robots. Also by shutting out university graduates and not having an ROTC like program PakMil is missing out on some quality human resource.

Also suppressing innovation and bas chup! is a deep running cancer in Pakistani society at large. The toxic childhood Pakistani children go through in school and at home is upsetting for me.
Partnering with Embraer will advance our foreign policy goals/relations, help our industry base, provide jobs, and give us FDI which we cry about.

 

[PAR 5]

PAC is in a bureaucratic slumber while many opportunities whizz by it. Unfortunately its an oversized factory with an undersized ambition

 

[Zarvan]

I don't know about this specific jet. But I have said this before and I would say it again PAC Kamra should produce at least one Military Transport plane and one Military helicopter under TOT program. That TOT could be from any where or any country whose plane we like and they agree to share technology with us.

 

[Sinnerman108]

That has deeper roots,
starts with parenting,
which is dependent on religious belief.
Just follow, don't think, don't question.

Ghazali over Ibn Rushd. <<< --- that is how old it is.

That is why I say PakMil is not getting quality officers/recruits by only taking 18 boys and making them into robots. Also by shutting out university graduates and not having an ROTC like program PakMil is missing out on some quality human resource.

Also suppressing innovation and bas chup! is a deep running cancer in Pakistani society at large. The toxic childhood Pakistani children go through in school and at home is upsetting for me.
Partnering with Embraer will advance our foreign policy goals/relations, help our industry base, provide jobs, and give us FDI which we cry about.

 

[Sine Nomine]

PAC is in a bureaucratic slumber while many opportunities whizz by it. Unfortunately its an oversized factory with an undersized ambition

PM has given them PIA PEC also.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

PAC is in a bureaucratic slumber while many opportunities whizz by it. Unfortunately its an oversized factory with an undersized ambition

I don't know about this specific jet. But I have said this before and I would say it again PAC Kamra should produce at least one Military Transport plane and one Military helicopter under TOT program. That TOT could be from any where or any country whose plane we like and they agree to share technology with us.

PAC doesn't have to produce a military transport (we lack the economies-of-scale to sustain it alone). Rather, it needs to get onboard opportunities where it can support other aircraft with aero-structures manufacturing (e.g., wings, stabilizers, etc).

Speaking of the KC390. Did you know the Czech Republic's AERO is manufacturing the rear section of the plane? All that without Czech Republic ordering a single plane for their air force.

So the question is, how did PAC miss out on an opportunity like that?

 

[Tipu7]

Ask the MoD to re route some of that money being wasted on HIT and POF towards this great investment oppurtunity. Get a stake in Embraer. You won't regret it

PAC suffers from commitment bias by MoD. Several times promised budgets have not been delivered and several times PAC has been advised to cap certain projects even before starting. Under such circumstances you want PAC to persuade MoD for a commercial project? Not gonna work.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

PAC suffers from commitment bias by MoD. Several times promised budgets have not been delivered and several times PAC has been advised to cap certain projects even before starting. Under such circumstances you want PAC to persuade MoD for a commercial project? Not gonna work.

Depending on how we look at it, the real issue could either be very simple, or very complicated.

I think we've spent a long time combing over the details of why things are bad (i.e., very complicated stuff), which are correct, and would require a lot of work.

But the very simple side of this is the fact we're talking about Pakistan. At some point, we'll need to admit to ourselves that we're run by predatory decision-makers. I'm not referring to PAC's leadership, or even the PAF. They're all symptoms.

The ones who 'call the shots' have a problem with our country. It's as simple as that. Unless we get to the root of this issue, we're not going to progress. But to illustrate what I'm talking about -- I have not seen a nation whose leaders, influentials, narrative drivers, etc hate their country and their people as Pakistanis. This is the problem.

Some guy's always in some Western think-tank talking about what the US/UK can do to make Pakistan cooperate on counter-terrorism.

Some gal's always in some Western think-tank talking about what the US/UK can do to change the societal fabric of Pakistan to make it more amenable to the West.

Some idiot's always in some Western think-tank talking up drug use and prostitution, etc in Pakistan (yes it's there, but it's something we should resolve ourselves, not air or promote it).

I think at some point, you need leaders who care about their country and people at some level for the country to progress. Otherwise, there's no incentive.

 

[Indos]

Full article


Embraer considers new partnerships for KC-390 after Boeing walks away

By Garrett Reim 2 June 2020



Embraer is exploring new partnerships for the KC-390 military transport after Boeing terminated its joint-venture agreement with the Brazilian company in April.

The airframer remains positive about the international prospects for the aircraft, despite losing the sales network of the aerospace giant and a potential entry point into the US military market, it said in a first-quarter 2020 earnings call on 1 June.

Embraer KC-390S ource: Embraer


“The original business plan for the [KC-390] did not include countries such as the US, for example. So the market perspective remains positive for the [KC-390],” says Francisco Gomes Neto, chief executive of Embraer.

“And of course, I mean here we also have opportunities for future partnerships. But at this moment, we are still in the process to evaluate alternatives and possible business models.”

Gomes Neto does not name potential collaborators on the KC-390, though China and India have been mentioned as possible partners for the company’s commercial aviation division. Partnerships with companies in those Asian countries could open huge regional airliner markets for the manufacturer’s E-Jets.

However, linking the production or sale of the KC-390 to China or India could be tricky given fraught geopolitics. In particular, increasing Western hostility towards Beijing amid the coronavirus crisis and rivalry with the USA might make such a deal difficult.

The USA remains an important market for the Sierra Nevada/Embraer A-29 Super Tucano light-attack aircraft. Washington also has the ability to issue financial sanctions against countries who buy aircraft from nations it does not like, a tool it has used to hurt sales of Russian military aircraft.

Nonetheless, partnering with a company with strategic ties to a foreign government could help sales of the KC-390 as deals for military aircraft often are influenced by local politics.

For example, the first international customer for the KC-390 was Portugal, a country with strong historical ties to Brazil and with industrial participation in the programme. Embraer says it started production of the first of Lisbon’s five jets in late 2019.

The company has five KC-390s at different stages of production. It anticipates delivering two more examples to the Brazilian air force by the end of 2020, in line with its first-quarter projections. In 2019, the company delivered two KC-390s to Brasilia.

Embraer’s defence and security business unit generated $149 million in revenue in the first quarter of 2020, a 16.9% decline compared to the same period a year earlier.

The company’s financial performance across all its divisions, including military, commercial airliner, business jet and service units, fell 23% in the first quarter, to $634 million.


Garrett ReimGarrett Reim is a military aviation reporter based in Los Angeles. He reports on military aircraft manufacturers and operators in North and South America. Send him your confidential tips, press releases and story ideas via garrett.reim@flightglobal.com. Follow him on Twitter via @garrettreim.

 

[PAR 5]

The problem with such large capital guzzling Government entities is that they have very ineffective and lousy Business Development or Marketing staff. It’s theses departments that are the drivers of the organisation internationally and identifiers of opportunities for future expansions. Like PAC, HIT, POF NRTC, AWC etc etc are too much boxed in self serving policies, zero international marketing techniques exposure, predominantly cocky Foji mindset and zero performance based activities.

 

[BATMAN]

PAC doesn't have to produce a military transport (we lack the economies-of-scale to sustain it alone). Rather, it needs to get onboard opportunities where it can support other aircraft with aero-structures manufacturing (e.g., wings, stabilizers, etc).

Speaking of the KC390. Did you know the Czech Republic's AERO is manufacturing the rear section of the plane? All that without Czech Republic ordering a single plane for their air force.

So the question is, how did PAC miss out on an opportunity like that?

Lack of Leadership,... not at PAC level but at national level... if we had Musharraf ruling Pakistan, all these organizations would have grown multiple times.... reason Musharraf knew, that the main ingredient is skilled manpower.
On the contrary, current accidental rulers are destroying state instructions slowly but surely.

Problem start with unfair hiring, transfers, promotions, retirements and extensions but the rulers says it's their constitutional prerogative. On occasions, when they find their authority limited by constitution, they change constitution to grab the ultimate power.

Imagine we are ruled by clergy, who need 200 billion and 10 years, just to partially complete a jangla bus.
Golden days are long gone and Pakistan is stuck with morons at all levels.