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US inspected Pakistani Orion aircraft in 2009: Wikileaks

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http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=66257&Cat=2&dt=9/6/2011

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Tuesday, September 06, 2011

ISLAMABAD: The US had expressed its concerns about tampering of the expensive P-3C Orion planes, destroyed in PNS Mehran Base attack on May 22 this year, and the Pakistan Navy had arranged an inspection for the American team in October 2009 to satisfy them that Pakistan had not tampered with the planes, wikiLeaks has disclosed.

The ‘militants’ who attacked the PNS Mehran Base in Karachi specifically targeted ‘P-3C Orion planes’ regarding which Americans were already concerned for being in possession of Pakistan
. The PNS Mehran Base was attacked by at least 10 militants in May and was back under control after 17 hours. At least 18 security officials were killed and 16 other were injured in the operation.

According to a US embassy cable created on 23-10-2009 by Anne W Patterson, on September 10 and 11, 2009, ODRP Chief discussed with Rear Admiral Tanveer Faiz, Deputy Chief of Operations of the Pakistan Navy, US concerns about possible unauthorized Pakistani modificataions to US-provided Harpoon Block I missiles and P-3C maritime patrol aircraft. “In response, Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Noman Bashir authorized the US to immediately conduct an inventory of the missiles. At an October 5 meeting, Faiz gave authorization for the US to conduct an inventory of the P-3Cs,” the cable says.

“During October 12-14, a three man team of aircraft experts from PMA-290 conducted the inspection of the P-3C aircraft at PNS Mehran navy base in Karachi. The Pakistan Navy currently has four P-3C aircraft in country. (Note: Pakistan acquired from the United States two P-3Cs in the 1990s and seven additional P-3Cs though an active FMS case.
Two aircraft from the current case are in Pakistan while the remaining five aircraft from the current case are in the United States undergoing maintenance. End Note) The PMA-290 team conducted an in depth Enhanced End-Use Monitoring (EEUM) inspection of the four aircraft, which consisted of visual and functional checks of the Weapons Replaceable Unit, Data Decoder/Encoder, Control Distribution Box, Harpoon Interconnection Box, Harpoon Missile Control Panel, Data Processing Computer, as well as the aircraft wings and weapon-mounting points and all associated wiring.

The PMA-290 team found no indications of tampering with the aircraft or the related systems and observed that all the systems were original. Furthermore, the team observed that the current aircraft configuration would support only firing the Harpoon Block I missiles in a sea attack capacity as it was designed and is authorized. The aircraft would not support firing any missile in a land attack capacity”, it concludes.

Why would US be concerned about these old planes? and not the new one it sure leaves some unanswered questions about US planes were these planes not "bugged" so they were of particular interest ?

One could argue that if Americans had access to the airport and P3 orions they had a very very good understanding of security setup at that airport
 
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At the moment, PN has no alternative to Orion planes.So its big loss for Pakistani limited resources naval force.:bad:
 
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Considering what Mr Mullen Said , is it possible that some how US was involved in passing knowledge to rouge elements

Its highly suspicious that same planes that US had special interest in were targeted , their first visit there could have been a recon mission to analyses the security setup at that airport

How would some random rouge people know which specific planes were the planes were the ones US had objections to

It could have been a special operation done with financial aid from Mullen and Co ... otherwise US would have given us a replacement P3 orions already it seems too sophisticated of an operation to be done by some random no bodies

Pakistan should really revisit this incident and see if there is American hand was involved

It looks like US has some objections , they came in viewed where the planes are their teams analysed the security made notes , while there were at the facilities , and then passed the knowledge to paid mercenaries

If they were not involved they would have said that would replace the destroyed played ..and that is the key point ... because they are involved they are playing mind games
 
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ok enemy was looking to destroy them .then what the hell our navy was doing? keep them all at same location and waiting for attack? our navy is responsible for all this mess and we have to blame them not terrorists .security if assets is big responsibility were navy failed .
 
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Just like US announces its findings we should also announce our findings
 
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^ that my dear is a big problem in Pakistan. We would never know who did this. Saleem Shahzed version depicts really disturbing pic about Al-CIA'eda penetration in Navy!
 
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Why it is not allowed to modify/upgrade what is already in our possession? Isn't that what all other countries do? It is so sad to lose all the air assets of Pakistan navy. So sad.
 
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The reasoning behind this article doesn't really add up- if US didn't like the PN havingnthe planes then why sell them in the first place? And why agree to further orders to replace destroyed a/c? Now, I agree, it would be HIGHLY suspicious if US refused to replace the lost Orions, then we could look deeper but no, US has agreed to replacements so they must be happy for PN to have them.

What this article is describing is the implantation of usual US "end-user" protocols wherein they physically inspect sensitive equipment to check digital seals haven't been broken or anything tampered with- having China as Pakistan's neighbour and "friend" would mean they were extra cautious. I have no doubts US "bugs" their planes, a TuAF F-16 test crashed had parts and pieces that a TuAF F-16 engineer said "he had never seen before" and there are entire components/sections which are sealed and not allowed to be broken. "Kill switiches" are a possibility but no one is really sure. It ks for these reasons countries like Israel and India customise their a/c from US and have their own tech for sensitive equipment like IFF/SATCOM which are free from US tampering and inspections.


Credibility of this author was lost when he placed militants in quotation marks as if this was not true.
 
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US inspected Pakistani Orion aircraft in 2009: Wikileaks

Reference:
US inspected Pakistani Orion aircraft in 2009: Wikileaks

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Tuesday, September 06, 2011

ISLAMABAD: The US had expressed its concerns about tampering of the expensive P-3C Orion planes, destroyed in PNS Mehran Base attack on May 22 this year, and the Pakistan Navy had arranged an inspection for the American team in October 2009 to satisfy them that Pakistan had not tampered with the planes, wikiLeaks has disclosed.

The ‘militants’ who attacked the PNS Mehran Base in Karachi specifically targeted ‘P-3C Orion planes’ regarding which Americans were already concerned for being in possession of Pakistan
. The PNS Mehran Base was attacked by at least 10 militants in May and was back under control after 17 hours. At least 18 security officials were killed and 16 other were injured in the operation.

According to a US embassy cable created on 23-10-2009 by Anne W Patterson, on September 10 and 11, 2009, ODRP Chief discussed with Rear Admiral Tanveer Faiz, Deputy Chief of Operations of the Pakistan Navy, US concerns about possible unauthorized Pakistani modificataions to US-provided Harpoon Block I missiles and P-3C maritime patrol aircraft. “In response, Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Noman Bashir authorized the US to immediately conduct an inventory of the missiles. At an October 5 meeting, Faiz gave authorization for the US to conduct an inventory of the P-3Cs,” the cable says.

“During October 12-14, a three man team of aircraft experts from PMA-290 conducted the inspection of the P-3C aircraft at PNS Mehran navy base in Karachi. The Pakistan Navy currently has four P-3C aircraft in country. (Note: Pakistan acquired from the United States two P-3Cs in the 1990s and seven additional P-3Cs though an active FMS case.
Two aircraft from the current case are in Pakistan while the remaining five aircraft from the current case are in the United States undergoing maintenance. End Note) The PMA-290 team conducted an in depth Enhanced End-Use Monitoring (EEUM) inspection of the four aircraft, which consisted of visual and functional checks of the Weapons Replaceable Unit, Data Decoder/Encoder, Control Distribution Box, Harpoon Interconnection Box, Harpoon Missile Control Panel, Data Processing Computer, as well as the aircraft wings and weapon-mounting points and all associated wiring.

The PMA-290 team found no indications of tampering with the aircraft or the related systems and observed that all the systems were original. Furthermore, the team observed that the current aircraft configuration would support only firing the Harpoon Block I missiles in a sea attack capacity as it was designed and is authorized. The aircraft would not support firing any missile in a land attack capacity”, it concludes.

Why would US be concerned about these old planes? and not the new one it sure leaves some unanswered questions about US planes were these planes not "bugged" so they were of particular interest ?

One could argue that if Americans had access to the airport and P3 orions they had a very very good understanding of security setup at that airport
There was some concern about land attack capability . Given the range of these planes, that would be an issue.
 
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It's all about control...

The US doesn't even trust the UK, their strongest, closest (far less troublesome than Israel) and so called "shoulder to shoulder" ally, a level 1 partner in the F-35 program, for the source code, never mind other nations.
 
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It's all about control...

The US doesn't even trust the UK, their strongest, closest (far less troublesome than Israel) and so called "shoulder to shoulder" ally, a level 1 partner in the F-35 program, for the source code, never mind other nations.

Hey, you don't get to be the world's sole Superpower by accident.
 
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It's all about control...

The US doesn't even trust the UK, their strongest, closest (far less troublesome than Israel) and so called "shoulder to shoulder" ally, a level 1 partner in the F-35 program, for the source code, never mind other nations.

"the source code" ... pfffffff

System of systems is a collection of task-oriented or dedicated systems that pool their resources and capabilities together to create a new, more complex system which offers more functionality and performance than simply the sum of the constituent systems.
System of systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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So Pakistan does have capability of altering software on US gear deployed in Pakistan.
 
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So Pakistan does have capability of altering software on US gear deployed in Pakistan.

Any tech guy with a keyboard can mess around with code if it's available. What's so great about doing it with something that's in your possession?
 
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Any tech guy with a keyboard can mess around with code if it's available. What's so great about doing it with something that's in your possession?
Really?

Is it that easy
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Defence tech don't work on windows XP which can be messed about by any noob with a keyboard,as you put it
 
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