'Over 10 million Karachiites missing in census': MQM-P, PSP reject results

[defence_analyst]

Problem isn't funds which Karachi gets more then enough but corruption. Now we know Karachi population isn't anywhere near 50% of Sindh as it was made out in the past, its time people stopped crying about funds. Even in 2005 incompetent MQM over estimated Karachi population to be 16 million, only 7 years after 1998 census. They get figures from their rear end and people forget to tell them how come you guys are still in power if tens of millions have migrated to Karachi? Surely pathans, punjabis, sindhis and baloch will be last people to vote for MQM. When ever someone asked why Karachi is filthiest city, response from MQM was always that we don't get funds like we deserve because of population.

MQM walas are good for target killings, ethnic riots etc but running and developing city? Not so much. Nothing is lost yet, they can accept the fact that they fucked up Karachi in last 30 years and try to do something about it. But crying over invented population numbers when ever someone ask what have MQM done for Karachi will no longer work.

 

[Mav3rick]

Problem isn't funds which Karachi gets more then enough but corruption. Now we know Karachi population isn't anywhere near 50% of Sindh as it was made out in the past, its time people stopped crying about funds. Even in 2005 incompetent MQM over estimated Karachi population to be 16 million, only 7 years after 1998 census. They get figures from their rear end and people forget to tell them how come you guys are still in power if tens of millions have migrated to Karachi? Surely pathans, punjabis, sindhis and baloch will be last people to vote for MQM. When ever someone asked why Karachi is filthiest city, response from MQM was always that we don't get funds like we deserve because of population.

MQM walas are good for target killings, ethnic riots etc but running and developing city? Not so much. Nothing is lost yet, they can accept the fact that they fucked up Karachi in last 30 years and try to do something about it. But crying over invented population numbers when ever someone ask what have MQM done for Karachi will no longer work.

And the above is the reason why MQM Waala Mustafa Kamal was voted Mayor of the year, Karachi city development under MQM Mayor considered exemplary and stated as such by CM Punjab Shahbaz Sharif and ex CJ Iftikhar Chaudhray?

And it is you who has no sense and so cannot make any reason of the fact that 1998 census too had incorrect representation for Karachi and so it is natural that a structure with faulty base will create problems for the residents. Population of Karachi in 1998 was over 10 million easy, the rest if you can make sense, as they say, is history.

 

[defence_analyst]

And the above is the reason why MQM Waala Mustafa Kamal was voted Mayor of the year, Karachi city development under MQM Mayor considered exemplary and stated as such by CM Punjab Shahbaz Sharif and ex CJ Iftikhar Chaudhray?

And it is you who has no sense and so cannot make any reason of the fact that 1998 census too had incorrect representation for Karachi and so it is natural that a structure with faulty base will create problems for the residents. Population of Karachi in 1998 was over 10 million easy, the rest if you can make sense, as they say, is history.

Mustafa Kamal was given Rs300 billion by Musharraf gov. Back then Rs300 billion in Pakistan context was like Rs 2 trillion now. Despite that he didn't do anything extra ordinary which isn't being done now in Karachi, building bridges and roads. He didn't develop Karachi waste management, KCR, water supply scheme etc. All were plans on paper without any work. Only now these mega projects are being completed in Karachi.

And most importantly law & and order worsened as he was direct responsible for 7 May. He ignored non-muhajir areas in Karachi. Now he repent and is apologetic about his sins but thats separate topic. Even 1998 census being fake is another BS. Missing 10 million people mean local census teams missed out on average 40% of population on any given block. If census is done randomly again for 1% of blocks chosen by MQM then population difference between PBS/army and new data should be close to 40%, good luck with that.

 

[AUz]

First it is the Federal Government that sucks us dry and than the Sindh Government, what does the elected representatives of Karachi get to be able to serve Karachi? The Mayor cannot even hire or fire KMC staff and has to beg Sindh Government every month to release salaries. Unlike the CM of Punjab who hails from Lahore and holds Lahore near and dear, we Karachiites have been left either at the mercy of PPP or absolute neglect.

And on top of that you Punjabi's instead of listening to Karachiites genuine complaints prefer to rub it in. Karachi should have been a model city but it is a massive garbage dump with no water and hours of electric load-shedding. And yes, we elect MQM over PPP and PML any day, so why don't you all just leave us be? Oh, that is after you return a chunk of the funds, under NFC, that you take from us. Go be more concerned about your beloved disgraced PM or the wannabe who thinks he will become PM one day.

First and foremost...those "funds" don't belong to Karachi. Karachi is commercial hub of entire PAKISTAN. The reason Karachi makes so much money is because it serves as a commercial hub for 220 million people. So offcourse that income will be directed towards federal governments functioning and what not. Same happens in New York, Los Angeles, and every fucking major port cities of the world.

We would listen to your legitimate concerns but you have none. All you have is: We elect MQM, we are 25 million, give us ALL the funds, let us call ourselves mohajirs, and leave us alone.

Yeah buddy, you aren't living in a separate country of your own. We don't give a shit about MQM---but they kill, rape, and extort funds from citizenry. Hence action against them happens.

Here's the difference between me and you. I don't give a sh*t about corrupt piece of crap Nawaz or PML(n). I like Musharraf over these goons.

We "punjabis" don't see the world in terms of ethnicity like you guys do. Punjab has elected PPP, PML(N), and supported Musharraf.

It's only YOU folks that keep this "you punjabis" vs "we mohajirs" bullshit. And guess what? The rest of Pakistan is sick of it now and we have decided to spit on your face and move on.

Things will happen as they should. Gangster criminal MQM should be shafted. Corrupt Nawaz should be disqualified and prosecuted. And hopefully Zardari's next

You ethnic worshippers can go **** yourself Keep crying about non-existent issues. Keep harping about so called conspiracy theories. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

You are a minority. You don't rule over us. You are not superior to us just because you are more educated.

Live by merit, or go die in dirt.

Rules have been set and there's nothing you can do about it. Become Pakistanis first and foremost.

If you can show legitimate problems with the census--we all be with you. But just don't randomly pull numbers out of your *** and say oh census didn't show this number and hence it's a fraud and attack on karachiiii.

 

[Pakistani E]

Live by merit, or go die in dirt.

How does one live by merit with the quota system?

 

[AUz]

How does one live by merit with the quota system?

Have you heard about affirmative action?

Ps, quota system is your issue with PPP. It's not a national issue.

 

[defence_analyst]

First and foremost...those "funds" don't belong to Karachi. Karachi is commercial hub of entire PAKISTAN. The reason Karachi makes so much money is because it serves as a commercial hub for 220 million people.

This. Karachi does't produce anything neither it has any indigenous industry which isn't dependent on raw materials from rest of Pakistan. Industries set up by chinioity sheikhs or gujarai memons. Its only claim to fame is being sole port city of Pakistan. Nothing to do with haramkhor MQM walas and its minions. Karachi gets funds like rest of Pakistan, nothing more or less. Plus all these retards on PDF still can't seem to explain how MQM is dominant in city of 25-30 million which is only possible with tens of million migrating there from rest of Pakistan in last 19 years. Another thing they can't explain how Karachi only have 7 million CNIC/voters in city of 25-30 million. City where you can't move few streets without CNIC.

 

[xyxmt]

140 million??????

Also didn't you just a couple of posts ago say you were from Karachi.. now you are saying people of Karachi.


Abay oo patwari pehlay decide tou karle kahan se hai

abbey ullu ke pathay, i am outside Karachi now, can you see my flag or you cant just see anything when you face shoved deep between Imran's legs

 

[Mav3rick]

Mustafa Kamal was given Rs300 billion by Musharraf gov. Back then Rs300 billion in Pakistan context was like Rs 2 trillion now. Despite that he didn't do anything extra ordinary which isn't being done now in Karachi, building bridges and roads. He didn't develop Karachi waste management, KCR, water supply scheme etc. All were plans on paper without any work. Only now these mega projects are being completed in Karachi.

Let me start by saying that the city Government during Musharraf era developed and revamped everything that you have mentioned, from water and waste management to bridges and roads and from MQM dominated areas to those where MQM never even comes close to winning such as Liyari which is PPP stronghold or Malir which is PPP/PML stronghold. So I wonder why you would want to waste your own time and mine on lies or misinformation. KCR is a totally different matter which does not come under City Government, not just that there are dozens of civic agencies and cantonments that are all over the city but do not come under the Mayor due to which the city Government at that time faced monumental challenges. You say 300 Billion was given to city Government, I do not know how much was given but the USD was like 65 at that time and it is like 105 today, at best it is 500 million so again I have no idea how you get to 2 trillion. But even more important to note in the matter, a city which is neglected for decades requires a whole lot more to develop and then that development has to be sustained or there is no point to it. Where are funds to sustain that development and to build on that great foundation?

And most importantly law & and order worsened as he was direct responsible for 7 May. He ignored non-muhajir areas in Karachi. Now he repent and is apologetic about his sins but thats separate topic. Even 1998 census being fake is another BS. Missing 10 million people mean local census teams missed out on average 40% of population on any given block. If census is done randomly again for 1% of blocks chosen by MQM then population difference between PBS/army and new data should be close to 40%, good luck with that.

You mean May 12? Do you recall how Musharraf threw his fists in the air triumphantly and stated that we have shown our strength on May 12? Do you think May 12 was MQM? MQM suffered more on May 12 than any other political or religious party.

Nonetheless, there are a number of factors due to which population of Karachi is mis-represented. in 1998 population of Karachi was over 10 million but it was misrepresented to around 8 million. On top of that the Sindh Government has marked atleast 2 big towns out of Karachi which cuts down the population of Karachi by 3.5 - 5 million, furthermore, people who live, work and spend their lives in Karachi have not been counted in Karachi because they have CNIC's from Punjab or KPK or Baluchistan or interior Sindh etc......the census department did the rest. You add all that up and we get to 25 million easy. But, you don't really have to do that either, a week of survey in Karachi is enough. Your intentions, ofcourse, matter a whole lot.

P.S. Army stats have not been disclosed. First demand of Karachi is to compare the figure of Census department with the figures collected by Army.

 

[Mav3rick]

First and foremost...those "funds" don't belong to Karachi. Karachi is commercial hub of entire PAKISTAN. The reason Karachi makes so much money is because it serves as a commercial hub for 220 million people. So offcourse that income will be directed towards federal governments functioning and what not. Same happens in New York, Los Angeles, and every fucking major port cities of the world.

You mean to tell me that funds generated from Karachi do not belong to Karachi? By that logic crops harvested in Punjab don't belong to Punjab, right?

We would listen to your legitimate concerns but you have none. All you have is: We elect MQM, we are 25 million, give us ALL the funds, let us call ourselves mohajirs, and leave us alone.

We DO elect MQM, let us live with our decision, why do you have to impose your decisions on us? Nobody in Karachi demands ALL the funds, we just want our due share, given to the local government. You are Punjabi right? We have Baloch, Siraiki, Sindhi, Paktun etc., why can't you accept Mohajirs?

Yeah buddy, you aren't living in a separate country of your own. We don't give a shit about MQM---but they kill, rape, and extort funds from citizenry. Hence action against them happens.

But in our own country, we can have a separate identity right? And rape for MQM? that's a new one even for me, and I have heard so many of them. You have your Gullu Butts and your Model Towns, we have ours. Let us focus on our problems instead of invading each other's problems.

Here's the difference between me and you. I don't give a sh*t about corrupt piece of crap Nawaz or PML(n). I like Musharraf over these goons.

We "punjabis" don't see the world in terms of ethnicity like you guys do. Punjab has elected PPP, PML(N), and supported Musharraf.

It's only YOU folks that keep this "you punjabis" vs "we mohajirs" bullshit. And guess what? The rest of Pakistan is sick of it now and we have decided to spit on your face and move on.

We do have something in common, we like Musharraf too. If you like him, you should trust his instincts and decisions on Karachi and MQM. Perhaps you Punjabis have not had to use ethnic terms because you are the dominant ethnicity and enjoy its merits above all others. But there you had to go and ruin a normal argument with the spitting thing, inherently I think you have a problem.

Things will happen as they should. Gangster criminal MQM should be shafted. Corrupt Nawaz should be disqualified and prosecuted. And hopefully Zardari's next

You ethnic worshippers can go **** yourself Keep crying about non-existent issues. Keep harping about so called conspiracy theories. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

All corrupt should be de-corrupted and punished. All Murderers should be punished, as per their crimes, all criminals should be punished as per their crime be it MQM, PML, PPP or religious/political parties.

You are a minority. You don't rule over us. You are not superior to us just because you are more educated.

Live by merit, or go die in dirt.

Merit, nothing sounds better. But where is the merit when we have had the quota system since the past 40 years and it is still going strong.

Rules have been set and there's nothing you can do about it. Become Pakistanis first and foremost.

Outside of Pakistan we will be Pakistanis but internally, we can be ethnic, no? If things are fair, it can be competitive and productive but if we are not fair with each other, it can give give a feeling of insecurity and isolation ultimately leading to resentment.

If you can show legitimate problems with the census--we all be with you. But just don't randomly pull numbers out of your *** and say oh census didn't show this number and hence it's a fraud and attack on karachiiii.

I think I have explained our concerns more than enough times, its better if we get encouragement and assistance rather than ridicule and bad mouthing.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Lol just because you know 5 families that moved out doesn't mean that people have stopped migrating to the BIGGEST CITY AND ECONOMIC LIFELINE of the country. And you claim to be a Karachiite but support Nawaz Sharif which is not possible, no sane Karachiite will ever support Nasoor Sharif. There is a reason why he doesn't win a single seat from the city.

Half of Afghanistan has descended on the city since 9/11 and you are saying nobody is coming to the city. Stop spreading lies.

Many slums of Karachi are full of Afghans, Bengalis and Rohingyya, Karachi not only gets migration from Pakistan also from surrounding countries. Those who aren't even from Karachi are now claiming to be experts.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Why don't they renew the national ID card and count # of people officially given ID card simple with their permenent address in Sindh


Estimate #1 : NADRA card holders with address in Sindh
Estimate #2 : Consensus count

Final Estimate : A figure between NADRA card number and Consensus result


When Estimate #2 is bigger then Estimate #1 : We have illegal residents in Sindh
When Estimate #1 is bigger then Esimate #2 : Less illegal residents
When 1 and 2 are equal : The figure is quite accurate

 

[Hamzay]

They are doing this to Karachi by purpose. They did the same to East Pakistan in the early decades over its higher population. Now they've done fake census like they are using fake judiciary.

 

[defence_analyst]

You mean to tell me that funds generated from Karachi do not belong to Karachi? By that logic crops harvested in Punjab don't belong to Punjab, right?

Because it actually doesn't generate anything, crops are real which you eat. Taxes generated are because of 200 million Pakistanis and not any MQM minions. Tax doesn't grow on trees. Karachi doesn't even have water. Sindh gov is demanding 1200 cusecs extra water from punjab share for Karachi because apparently its mini-Pakistan with 100 million people. A lie everyone believed before this census.

I would love to see Karachi contribution to industrial exports which isn't dependent on raw material from rest of Pakistan or isn't made to use locally for market of 200 million. As far as remittances are concerned Karachi again well behind everyone else. What ever taxes are generated are because of import, export being only port city. Karachi could cease to exist and replaced by Gwadar or Kenti Bandar and it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You mean to tell me that funds generated from Karachi do not belong to Karachi? By that logic crops harvested in Punjab don't belong to Punjab, right?

Heathrow Airport in the London borough of Heathrow is the site of one of the largest international airports. 10s of millions of people from all over the world coming to UK land there and millions of Britons from all over UK go abroad from there. According to your logic all the revenue generated by Heathrow airport belongs to Borough of Heathrow?

Karachi is just a outlet/inlet for 200 million people - it is so because of geography. If Karachi was cut off all of Pakistans trade went through Mumbai Karachi's economy would collapse. I think this model below should sum up the situation nicely.