Our uniform is our coffin cloth, believes Pakistan's Soldier

[Armstrong]

Of course fighting to one's death is a part of the package, I don't expect to blow myself up with my own grenade to meet my poetic death! Can't say about Butts, haven't read about you guys a lot.

Not a single word for the rest of my post !

We're Pacifists !

The only fights we're interested in are All You Can Eat Food Fights !

 

[Nair saab]

TTP also does the same
TTP never says it wants to die
its terrorists say they want to kill and kill again and if they are captured then the courts will free them to kill again

Hmmm...

U got some point bro...
But We no TTP , ISIS ...

If ur soldiers are ready to Die , Then our Soldiers are ready to Kill... and if ur Soldiers are ready to Kill , Then again we are ready to kill...

and No soldier are trained to die ... it always the other way around...

But we respect our Dead enemy soldiers, Thats y we gave honorable burial rights to all dead enemy soldiers and gave back 90,000 POW of PAK in 1971 without a scratch, anyways a Surrendered soldiers is equal to a dead soldier ... All Dead soldiers irrespective of their country has my respect ... offcorse apart from the Religious Extremist...

 

[Moon]

what do you expect? I recommend the Indian response

deal with it since the aspiration fo Pakistani soldier after all that training and spending the money fo the country is only to die then might as well save the money on training and why not pay this money to the enemy to save our lives? because the fckr' we expect to defend us thinks that death is the ultimate goal NOT kill the enemy.

how screwed this concept is... I just rage uncontrollably

first and foremost priority should be successful mission, eliminate the enemy Period
and IF there is a risk of death then so be it but again the priority is success of the mission NOT death


TTP also does the same
TTP never says it wants to die
its terrorists say they want to kill and kill again and if they are captured then the courts will free them to kill again

I disagree,
Army engages in Swat, they're are called killers, the engage in Balochistan, they're called tyrants, operation in Sindh is called extrajudicial killing, operation in Punjab they're called outlaws and worse operation in NWA you know there they're being called, and not once have these statements been bashed by the FO, what else will a soldier then say? Kill, kill and kill?. With all due respect I tagged you to take care of his trolling. It's a thread about a Pakistani soldier, not the Indian Army.

 

[Icarus]

Hmmm...

If ur soldiers are ready to Die , Then our Soldiers are ready to Kill... and if ur Soldiers are ready to Kill , Then again we are ready to kill...

Our boys were waiting that day but not a single mortar landed on their post, in a firefight lasting over five hours, they all landed in a village three kilometers further inland. I don't know if they were trained to kill civilians or if the lack of combat has made the Indians rusty.

 

[Zarvan]

Our boys were waiting that day but not a single mortar landed on their post, in a firefight lasting over five hours, they all landed in a village three kilometers further inland. I don't no if they were trained to kill civilians or if the lack of combat has made the Indians rusty.

Indians have lost two soldiers few more injured and we haven't lost a single one. @nair Tell your Army to face Pakistan Army not civilians.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I disagree,
Army engages in Swat, they're are called killers, the engage in Balochistan, they're called tyrants, operation in Sindh is called extrajudicial killing, operation in Punjab they're called outlaws a.

stop complaining and whining.
Gen Zia (bless him) had no such baggage. if he was our president / COAS then this TTP along with Mother of TTP (Molvi Aziz) would have been sent to hell by now.


learn from best Muslims
the Saudi Army
they kill both the Saudis, yemanis, Behranis and no one says a word. KSA has killed in Grand Mosque and outside the Grand Mosque as well. No one has issue with thier Islam. I oppose them politically on few things but I admire the unappologetic attitude of the ruling family and its forces and people love them for it.

and Saudi soldiers dont join army to die.. they join to kill the enemies of KSA

if the warriors of Battle of Badr had this mentality of Pakistani soldier then we would have been wiped out
they went there to win.

Death/ shahadat shoudnt be the goal or purpose of going to fight where your heard will be chopped off in a video and your body might be desecrated. instead why not let your enemy eat dust and drown in his own blood and thank Allah for the vicotry?

 

[umairkhan4]

Patriotism does not mean self praising yourself by such statements.

i dont see a point of criticizing its an opinion, an opinion that i second if u believe another armed force has more courage than our jawaans you either have seen them in live combat or your habit of criticism has turned into an annoying habit instead of one that creates friendly debate

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Its a double edged sword really, I both agree and disagree with your assessment based on my experience in the field.
I myself have had to put off people near me for being in love with the concept of dying in battle while I myself am thoroughly drowned in this desire myself.
The urge to die is very strong among our soldiers, me included so I will try and explain this to the best of my ability but in a philosophical perspective, I am trying to pen my inner thoughts into words so I hope they do my thinking justice and reach your hearts:

Why I want to die (as a soldier):

1. I come from a Kshatriya Hindu background and many of our ancestral teachings still remain deeply rooted in our practice, teaching the means of war to young boys and indoctrinating them with the importance of never being captured is one of them, even if that means charging at the enemy or committing suicide.

2. I feel that it is the ultimate expression of love, to embrace death, it is the most grand gesture. It is romantic and poetic. To die for one's lover, parents or country is a most noble sacrifice.

3. Life is ephemeral and falling bravely in battle will allow a part of me, to live on forever in people's hearts. Children will aspire to live and die like me, once again its a very honourable legacy.

4. It is devotion to a cause that is much bigger than myself, it imparts a feeling of belonging and reason in this haphazard pursuit of survival that we call life.

quoting my father from his PMA days back in 1968. he says their Platoon commander asked them why they joined the army? one cadet said to die for the country.
according to my father, what the Platoon commander responded was in the line of Gen Pattan's famous quote.

in short I would rather see the corpse of enemy of Pakistan mutilated , bloodied broken and charred instead of the torn and headless body of my fellow soldier and his khaki uniform. but if the success of the mission means sudden death then so be it, at least that death shouldnt go to waste and my surviving fellow soldiers should finish the job and achieve the victory.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Our soldiers are our defenders, the crown of our heads. When they are on borders, we are tension-less. Believes a Pakistani

 

[Irfan Baloch]

4. It is devotion to a cause that is much bigger than myself, it imparts a feeling of belonging and reason in this haphazard pursuit of survival that we call life.

agreed so be it
and one doesnt have to be a Muslim
can someone question the devotion of those in D day landing? and those mass infantry charges in the great war facing the hail of efficient German Machine guns mowing them down in thousands? their ultimate goal was victory/ secure the beachhead, destroy the pillbox etc. and they and their commanders knew most of them will perish.

we brag about our faith a lot and are dismissive about non-Muslim devotion to the cause.
"congratulation caption, you will be leading the charge tomorrow"
"thank you sir...its an honour.

caption whistles at dawn. climbs the ladders and orders the charge and is mowed down in less than 100 yards along with few hundred soldiers. (a typical day at the trenches in Europe).

I respect the spiritual deep down philosophy of loosing yourself for your beloved but it should be more of a plausible outcome not the primary goal in war. (IMHO)

 

[atatwolf]

This is against our religion. Proper way to be buried is in white cloth.

 

[Icarus]

agreed so be it
and one doesnt have to be a Muslim
can someone question the devotion of those in D day landing? and those mass infantry charges in the great war facing the hail of efficient German Machine guns mowing them down in thousands? their ultimate goal was victory/ secure the beachhead, destroy the pillbox etc. and they and their commanders knew most of them will perish.

we brag about our faith a lot and are dismissive about non-Muslim devotion to the cause.
"congratulation caption, you will be leading the charge tomorrow"
"thank you sir...its an honour.

caption whistles at dawn. climbs the ladders and orders the charge and is mowed down in less than 100 yards along with few hundred soldiers. (a typical day at the trenches in Europe).

I respect the spiritual deep down philosophy of loosing yourself for your beloved but it should be more of a plausible outcome not the primary goal in war. (IMHO)

I agree completely, we seem to be enamoured by the illusion that "Musalman maut say nahi darta", its not being muslim that makes you transcendent of these worldly tethers, it is devotion to any cause. The FARC rebels dying for a system with socialism and coke sure aren't muslims but they are ready to die for their cause too. I have perhaps seen the greatest fanatic love of death in none other than the forces of Imperial Japan but their willingness to die rather than fight to the last bullet and thereby risk capture is basically what lost them the war too. So yes, its a positive emotion only so long as it is kept in check.

This is against our religion. Proper way to be buried is in white cloth.

He's just being metaphorical, he doesn't mean it and I don't believe god will be so petty as to turn away a perfectly pious man because he doesn't fall in line with the dress regulations. Just my opinion, many may choose not to agree.

 

[salarsikander]

This is against our religion. Proper way to be buried is in white cloth.

not for the martyrs

 

[TheNoob]

The moment no indian is on a thread.
We pakistanis start to fight amongst ourself.

Ya'll need to go to a doctor.
Honestly.

 

[Black Mamba1]

Its a double edged sword really, I both agree and disagree with your assessment based on my experience in the field.
I myself have had to put off people near me for being in love with the concept of dying in battle while I myself am thoroughly drowned in this desire myself.
The urge to die is very strong among our soldiers, me included so I will try and explain this to the best of my ability but in a philosophical perspective, I am trying to pen my inner thoughts into words so I hope they do my thinking justice and reach your hearts:

Why I want to die (as a soldier):

1. I come from a Kshatriya Hindu background and many of our ancestral teachings still remain deeply rooted in our practice, teaching the means of war to young boys and indoctrinating them with the importance of never being captured is one of them, even if that means charging at the enemy or committing suicide.

2. I feel that it is the ultimate expression of love, to embrace death, it is the most grand gesture. It is romantic and poetic. To die for one's lover, parents or country is a most noble sacrifice.

3. Life is ephemeral and falling bravely in battle will allow a part of me, to live on forever in people's hearts. Children will aspire to live and die like me, once again its a very honourable legacy.

4. It is devotion to a cause that is much bigger than myself, it imparts a feeling of belonging and reason in this haphazard pursuit of survival that we call life.

I respect your views , still want to put a reverse narrative.

It is honest , emotional people like you, corrupt & cruel leaders can continue their rule. They sell nationalism and promote, romanticize death to people like you and me. We will fight at frontline actually to protect our leaders/ establishment.

When you die loss will be for you , your family which will never be fulfilled , rest is myth , propaganda or make believe to inspire you to die