Our tool kit to tackle terror not restricted, India tells Pakistan

[Sahasranama]

You know better than I do that most of these are unproven claims. Even if they were correct, what does that have to do with the original comment of mine? Why did he bring up a completely irrelevant issue? We're talking about Modi, not about Kashmir.

I call them inflammatory, as he implied that Pakistanis in general were supporting terrorists. Note the word he used was "you" and not "PA" or "government".

He meant Modi, not me.

I meant "you" as a Pakistani citizen, not you as you personally as the commander in chief of pakistan. I do hold ALL pakistani's responsible for the actions of their govt.

 

[That Guy]

How do I know ? You need to ask yourself that question. Why does my questions make you angry ?

Your stupidity makes me angry, not your question. Your trollish behavior is what upsets me, because that is your job as a troll, to upset people.

Not at all, feel free to run away. Once you do, I will stop asking you questions.

What is the progress between India & pak relations that you are talking about ? how does Modi's speech change that ? will pakistan continue to send terrorists if Modi speak the uncomfortable truth ?

What progress? The fact that violence across the border violations have decreased from both sides, the fact that India and Pakistan are setting their respective foreign secretaries to meet each other after a long period of time, the fact that direct talks are finally taking place after a long pause, the fact that PM Nawas Shareef actually went to India during PM Modi's inauguration. All of these are improvements that have reduced cross border tensions, and can help improve economic and political ties between both nations.

I never said Modi's speech changed anything, I said he needs to be careful, because it can have the potential to make matters worse. It would make it domestically harder for PM Shareef to extend a hand to India, because hardliner nationalists in Pakistan would cease the opportunity to derail bilateral talks.

Will India send more support to Baluchi terrorists if Nawas can't find a partner in Modi? Think before you speak. This is the sort of thing talk I'm speaking of. It does not help discussion if you continue to throw around accusation, because I can do the same to you. How about looking at the future and political ties, instead of being negative and obviously trying to bait out an angry emotion.

He meant Modi, not me.

I meant "you" as a Pakistani citizen, not you as you personally as the commander in chief of pakistan. I do hold ALL pakistani's responsible for the actions of their govt.

Then I hold you responsible for every single rape crime in India. Your logic makes no sense, and it's clear that you just hate Pakistanis. You don't want peace between the two nations, because you would rather they be at each other's throats.

 

[MilSpec]

You know better than I do that most of these are unproven claims. Even if they were correct, what does that have to do with the original comment of mine? Why did he bring up a completely irrelevant issue? We're talking about Modi, not about Kashmir.

I call them inflammatory, as he implied that Pakistanis in general were supporting terrorists. Note the word he used was "you" and not "PA" or "government".


I agree, but you need to realize that not everything is Pakistan's fault, and India itself is also guilty of firing indiscriminately at Pakistani soldiers. This idea that Pakistan is always guilty, and India is always innocent is completely absurd idea.

But anyway, that has nothing to do with improving relations. Kashmir won't be solved easily, but that doesn't mean Pakistan and India cannot improve their relations. If India and China can do business while still having a border dispute, why can't Pakistan and India?

I have no problems with cross border exchanges that happen. You place two armed forces opposite each other in high tension areas and it is bound to create friction.

But it is well documented that these border exchanges are not just fuelled by random coaxial hostility, but deliberately planned cover fire provided for infiltration bids. The topography is daunting, the blindspots exists in massive quantity, and when pakistani side fires into Indian position 9 out of 10 times it is for a infiltration bid. You do not see such exchanges in Rajhasthan, or Punjab but only in Kashmir where the geography gives you the natural advantage to facilitate infiltration.

It is a welcome step that there is a national leader who calls a spade, spade.

Kashmir is indeed an complex issue, but there is no solving any of it with any existence of state sponsored terrorism. If there was an iota of chance by UPA created where non-state actor's activity could be delinked from talks, the national mandate has completely decimated that line of thought.

Modi's remark "you cant hear either sides in the nose of bombs and gunfire" absolutely represents the solid national sentiment. Sooner pakistan realizes this, quicker the peace process can begin.

 

[Sahasranama]

Your stupidity makes me angry, not your question. Your trollish behavior is what upsets me, because that is your job as a troll, to upset people.

LOL. if my questions were stupid, you would have either have been amused or would have felt pity. Anger indicates something else. My questions are provocative, how is it trolling ?

What progress? The fact that violence across the border violations have decreased from both sides, the fact that India and Pakistan are setting their respective foreign secretaries to meet each other after a long period of time, the fact that direct talks are finally taking place after a long pause, the fact that PM Nawas Shareef actually went to India during PM Modi's inauguration. All of these are improvements that have reduced cross border tensions, and can help improve economic and political ties between both nations.

This is complete nonsense.

Violence at the border is due to pakistan providing covering firing for terrorist. As to the rest of the diplomatic BS, it means nothing and results in nothing. Not one ounce of change in the ground reality.

I never said Modi's speech changed anything, I said he needs to be careful, because it can have the potential to make matters worse. It would make it domestically harder for PM Shareef to extend a hand to India, because hardliner nationalists in Pakistan would cease the opportunity to derail bilateral talks.

Will India send more support to Baluchi terrorists if Nawas can't find a partner in Modi? Think before you speak. This is the sort of thing talk I'm speaking of. It does not help discussion if you continue to throw around accusation, because I can do the same to you. How about looking at the future and political ties, instead of being negative and obviously trying to bait out an angry emotion.

NS problems at home is his problem, not Modi's problem .......its amazing you expect Modi to mind his words to make life easy fro NS. Hilarious., or maybe its just pathetic.

You are free to make any amount of accusation ranging from Baluch, sindh, kashmir, punjab, afghanistan ..... that is your problem. I don't think it should bother anybody, least of all the Indian govt.

What else ?

Then I hold you responsible for every single rape crime in India. Your logic makes no sense, and it's clear that you just hate Pakistanis. You don't want peace between the two nations, because you would rather they be at each other's throats.

You are free to hold me responsible for every single rape in India. Be my guest. Every India is responsible, which is why Indians feel shame when such incidence happen. Not because they were personally involved, but because they realize that they too are responsible in the larger scheme of things. That is why there were HUGE protests against Rape by Indians when those incidences occurred.

However unlike pakistani's calculated response to terrorism, Indians do not condone or pretend rape do exist.

Again you are free to assume I hate pakistan or love pakistan. That is your problem. Not mine. Enjoy.

 

[That Guy]

I have no problems with cross border exchanges that happen. You place two armed forces opposite each other in high tension areas and it is bound to create friction.

But it is well documented that these border exchanges are not just fuelled by random coaxial hostility, but deliberately planned cover fire provided for infiltration bids. The topography is daunting, the blindspots exists in massive quantity, and when pakistani side fires into Indian position 9 out of 10 times it is for a infiltration bid. You do not see such exchanges in Rajhasthan, or Punjab but only in Kashmir where the geography gives you the natural advantage to facilitate infiltration.

It could also be because that Kashmir is a contested territory, and comparing it to Rajhasthan and Punjab wouldn't make much sense.

It is a welcome step that there is a national leader who calls a spade, spade.

Would you welcome Pakistan's PM talking about how India is supporting Baluchi terrorists in Pakistan? think about it. Whether true or not, these comments don't help improve relations, instead they raise tensions.

Kashmir is indeed an complex issue, but there is no solving any of it with any existence of state sponsored terrorism. If there was an iota of chance by UPA created where non-state actor's activity could be delinked from talks, the national mandate has completely decimated that line of thought.

Again, delinking Kashmir from peace between Pakistan and India is pretty much a must. Kashmir will not be solved, but peace between Pakistan and India can occur, even if there are incidents inside Kashmir.

Modi's remark "you cant hear either sides in the nose of bombs and gunfire" absolutely represents the solid national sentiment. Sooner pakistan realizes this, quicker the peace process can begin.

Sometimes national sentiment needs to be put aside for the greater good. Why do you think I call Modi a populist leader? What he said is taking a hard stance, and not willing to compromise on any issue. He's basically made it harder for the Pakistani leadership to continue talking to him, because hardliners in Pakistan see Modi's speech as further proof that Modi is not willing to talk with Pakistan, or at the very least isn't serious about talks.

LOL. if my questions were stupid, you would have either have been amused or would have felt pity. Anger indicates something else. My questions are provocative, how is it trolling ?



This is complete nonsense.

Violence at the border is due to pakistan providing covering firing for terrorist. As to the rest of the diplomatic BS, it means nothing and results in nothing. Not one ounce of change in the ground reality.



NS problems at home is his problem, not Modi's problem .......its amazing you expect Modi to mind his words to make life easy fro NS. Hilarious., or maybe its just pathetic.

You are free to through any amount of accusation ranging from Baluch, sindh, kashmir, punjab, afghanistan ..... that is your problem. I don't think it should bother anybody, least of all the Indian govt.

What else ?



You are free to hold me responsible for every single rape in India. Be my guest. Every India is responsible, which is why Indians feel shame when such incidence happen. Not because they were personally involved, but because they realize that they too are responsible in the larger scheme of things. That is why there were HUGE protests against Rape by Indians when those incidences occurred.

However unlike pakistani's calculated response to terrorism, Indians do not condone or pretend rape do exist.

Again you are free to assume I hate pakistan or love pakistan. That is your problem. Not mine. Enjoy.

I'd like to note the difference between you and @sandy_3126 , where as he's at least being polite, you're being an asshat. Even @sandy_3126 should agree with me on that much.

Besides, this comment of yours shows me that there is nothing to discuss with you, because you're unwilling to have a civil conversation, or use simple logic. You're stating your personal opinions as facts.

It's clear to me that you don't understand how geopolitics works, so I will no longer bother with you. I've answered your questions, if you don't like them, that's fine with me. I don't care if you dismiss them.

 

[MilSpec]

It could also be because that Kashmir is a contested territory, and comparing it to Rajhasthan and Punjab wouldn't make much sense.

Also because flat plain are killing fields for ground troops

Would you welcome Pakistan's PM talking about how India is supporting Baluchi terrorists in Pakistan? think about it. Whether true or not, these comments don't help improve relations, instead they raise tensions.

If government can prove it, it should take it up. By not doing so it is doing a disservice t it's own countrymen.

Again, delinking Kashmir from peace between Pakistan and India is pretty much a must. Kashmir will not be solved, but peace between Pakistan and India can occur, even if there are incidents inside Kashmir.

I absolutely don't believe that. Will you make peace with India if India started sending it's infiltrators in your side of kashmir to kill your civilians. If you do (by giving baluchistan as an example) you would be doing a great dis-service to your countrymen.

Sometimes national sentiment needs to be put aside for the greater good. Why do you think I call Modi a populist leader? What he said is taking a hard stance, and not willing to compromise on any issue. He's basically made it harder for the Pakistani leadership to continue talking to him, because hardliners in Pakistan see Modi's speech as further proof that Modi is not willing to talk with Pakistan, or at the very least isn't serious about talks.

National sentiment can be put aside, if it is about making saourav ganguly the captain of indian cricket team, but not at the cost of lives of your innocent citizenry.
Bottom line is there should be no talks from both sides if you have substantial evidence to believe in any side engaging in subversion. Before friendship the should be end to all hostilities. It's time to get rid of candy-floss diplomacy. Solve the real problems. Root Cause Analysis!

 

[livingdead]

more rhetoric.. nothing special.
Modi wont do anything that MMS did not do. The toolkit is already being used, no need to go on banging about it.
Modi has failed to tackle the main challenge: economy.
Pakistan is more or less neutered by MMS govt and there is minimal challenge from either pakistan sponsored terror or homegrown terror.
If he is sincere, he will keep quiet, keep the pressure on pakistan, and tacke main domestic issues.

 

[MilSpec]

@That Guy I am not a blind supporter of modi, I do find some of his stands correct, this is one of those instances, It remains to be seen if this will translate into policy or is just populist fodder.

 

[That Guy]

Also because flat plain are killing fields for ground troops


If government can prove it, it should take it up. By not doing so it is doing a disservice t it's own countrymen.


I absolutely don't believe that. Will you make peace with India if India started sending it's infiltrators in your side of kashmir to kill your civilians. If you do (by giving baluchistan as an example) you would be doing a great dis-service to your countrymen.



National sentiment can be put aside, if it is about making saourav ganguly the captain of indian cricket team, but not at the cost of lives of your innocent citizenry.
Bottom line is there should be no talks from both sides if you have substantial evidence to believe in any side engaging in subversion. Before friendship the should be end to all hostilities. It's time to get rid of candy-floss diplomacy. Solve the real problems. Root Cause Analysis!

I don't know about that, there is already killing from both sides. BSF are often accused of shelling civil areas in Pakistani Kashmir, all the while Pakistan Rangers are accused of infiltration. The way I see it, Kashmir region as a whole needs to be tackled separately, because otherwise, there will never be peace. Trying to solve Kashmir first has always been the biggest problem between India and Pakistan, and is a major reason why both countries are still hostile to one another.

I guess the biggest problem we both have is that we disagree on the solution.

I am not Sandy and Sandy is not me.

You are free to be civil, but why impose that on me ? I would like to be provocative and Rude especially when faced with hypocrisy.

Nothing I have sated is a personal opinion, they are facts which has been widely reported by the world media.

You see, when I take away your make belief allegations and attempts to invoke pity you are left with nothing to bargain with, to debate with.

You are finally left with facing the cold facts and are forced to deal with them. But I suspect you do not wish to do that.

You would rather wrestle with the illusionary BS that passes for civility in your mind.

....... you are falling for the pakistani trap. "Root Cause" is kashmir

Forgive me for not taking you seriously then. Your attitude has no place in a debate, and anyone who would listen to you would find your words worthless.

 

[MilSpec]

....... you are falling for the pakistani trap. "Root Cause" is kashmir

Sorry dear, I have a brain of my own and I do disagree with kashmir on back burner... militance in kashmir to me is the root coause and needs to dealt with first. I dont care what our idiotic ministers have decided in last three decades.

 

[Sahasranama]

I don't know about that, there is already killing from both sides. BSF are often accused of shelling civil areas in Pakistani Kashmir, all the while Pakistan Rangers are accused of infiltration. The way I see it, Kashmir region as a whole needs to be tackled separately, because otherwise, there will never be peace. Trying to solve Kashmir first has always been the biggest problem between India and Pakistan, and is a major reason why both countries are still hostile to one another.

I guess the biggest problem we both have is that we disagree on the solution.

LOL.....so you are back to discussing "root cause" with sandy the civil debater

BSF operate under civil govt. command where as PA and Rangers operate under the "establishment" in pak. Rangers are tools of the "establishment", BSF OTOH is a slave to the GoI.

Rangers bomb to facilitate terrorsts, BSF bomb to counter Ranger bombing.

Apples and Oranges. .............. but then again you already know that.

You just want to obfuscate the issue and "discuss Kashmir"

Forgive me for not taking you seriously then. Your attitude has no place in a debate, and anyone who would listen to you would find your words worthless.

You should be focusing on my FACTS rather than focusing on my "attitude"

The very fact that your choose to focus on my "attitude" tells me how serious you really are. ...........again you are free to find my words worthless or valuable. That too is your problem.

As I said, you are free to run away under one pertext or another. I will not chase you down

Sorry dear, I have a brain of my own and I do disagree with kashmir on back burner... militance in kashmir to me is the root coause and needs to dealt with first. I dont care what our idiotic ministers have decided in last three decades.

...........all the best with that brain of yours. Just let me know when the guy admitted to pakistan sponsoring terrorists and sending them to India. Maybe then you can convince him that its a bad idea.

 

[That Guy]

LOL.....so you are back to discussing "root cause" with sandy the civil debater

BSF operate under civil govt. command where as PA and Rangers operate under the "establishment" in pak. Rangers are tools of the "establishment", BSF OTOH is a slave to the GoI.

Rangers bomb to facilitate terrorsts, BSF bomb to counter Ranger bombing.

Apples and Oranges. .............. but then again you already know that.

You just want to obfuscate the issue and "discuss Kashmir"



You should be focusing on my FACTS rather than focusing on my "attitude"

The very fact that your choose to focus on my "attitude" tells me how serious you really are. ...........again you are free to find my words worthless or valuable. That too is your problem.

As I said, you are free to run away under one pertext or another. I will not chase you down

Okay, I've had enough. I had a civil conversation with @sandy_3126 , and don't care about you.

Call it running if you want, I call it not entertaining trolls.

 

[Sahasranama]

Okay, I've had enough. I had a civil conversation with @sandy_3126 , and don't care about you.

Call it running if you want, I call it not entertaining trolls.

I think I am the latest victim of your tolerance

 

[That Guy]

I think I am the latest victim of your tolerance

I'm not reporting you to the mods, but I reserve the right to give out negative ratings to those that are obviously trolls. I tolerate your presence, I do not tolerate your disrespect.

I get it now, you just want the last word, right? Makes you seem as if you're somehow right? Okay, I'll humor you.

 

[That Guy]

thank you mods.