Ouch! It's a Baloch punch: US declines to echo Delhi

[Kaniska]

You really need a break. Take some time and go out there like an evening walk, holidays etc because continuous work is weakening your health and damaging senses. You in this post, totally disagreed with your own Ajit Doval (I am quoting him here only to let you understand it more easily though he is way more than involved in it against Pakistan) that he stated as these mercenaries are available to hire for the one whoever paid them heavily and not to forget here all that rich India with top GDP and trillions $$ economy versus us Pakistan. The irony is it is so easy to ignore the evidence, proof or own words but come up with something only to for own satisfaction. Stop uttering such baseless accusations based upon ill fed of Media etc or either come-up with all the names that have been supporting many like these even till today that include India as well.

Of course, this argument is expected from you. Never mind, i already stated my arguments and rational behind my statements. i do not want to get into personal attack when i do not much to answer in a debate unlike you.

 

[indushek]

I actually want India to highlight Baloch issue. it makes me laugh and wonder who is the dickhead advising him that highlighting Balochistan will bring kashmir in the back burner

we can arrange rallies and take a piss at him by declaring Modi joke day and slapping his effigy with shoes
it has already happened in Peshin. my goodness this is height of desperation or retardation at the part of Indian planners.. our home minister is a Kalbpar Bughti..

he will make a new one into any Indian joker who tries to troll us over Balochistan. the kind of desperation and low life attacks conducted on Balochistan specially after the announcement of CPEC have shown the face of India and they went as far as sending a senior spymaster inside Balochsitan.

the moment these dickheads bring up Balochistan.. we must bring out that monkey we captured and then highlight the indian sponsored terrorism against people of Balochistan





Americans cant be trusted for their words.. their senators tout the greater Baluchistan concept well before Indians started funding them. it is in their new world order designs.

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their mentality is suck up to the new god. this is why they made statues of Trump hoping he will become president just because he is obnoxious in his hatred towards Muslims

Of all people you writing this post is really unexpected!!! PDF has changed a lot!!

I am seeing off late every thing from Moon to mud is boiling down to CPEC, seriously your own media is writing of the delays in the same with Indian agents popping out from every where.

Balochi reference is a pincher which is understood not to bring any tangible results other than poking Pakistan.

But if it does what better for India ?? strategy doesn't mean u take up things bound to bring results surely.

From the recent reactions from Pakistani side looks like the pinch is being felt.

Seriously offtopic but what happened to your language? I am seeing even Oscar is responding this way.

Has this site finally caught up with u two that much?

 

[usernameless]

Pakistani bros, please be careful and don't rejoice so soon at such US remarks. What's most important is to monitor the US' actions, not their words in front of cameras (counts for every country btw). Examples of US saying one thing but doing the opposite are abundant.
Since the US is keen on using India to contain China, they might aim to weaken Pakistan as well in order to weaken China's influence and reach. Stay strong and vigilant in the face of the US.

 

[The Eagle]

Like you treat Taliban as your asset,

I hope you must have something to share with us to backup your claim otherwise it is nothing but a blame.

i already stated my arguments and rational behind my statements.

Check your above quoted post that was not an argument but a straight Blane accounting for rant. However, another reference here, NaMO himself accepted the Multi Bahni support and threatened Pakistan about GB & Baluchistan but not just rebutted but answered well.

 

[somebozo]

Winds are changing , Pakistan is emerging as business partner in the region. Now Chinese has huge interest in Baluchistan , so India shouldn't even talk about it. Otherwise Indian NSG dream will take another 50 years. Plus, India has already lost its grip on foreign policy. Indian mantra of introducing Pakistan as terrorist state is over now. World has no interest in this slogan any more. Everyone country wants it share of business.

Modi circus will also annoy a number of Arab states because Pakistan is member to saudi led alliance against terrorism..and the Saudis will not take it lightly if India keeps creating nuisance.

Pakistani bros, please be careful and don't rejoice so soon at such US remarks. What's most important is to monitor the US' actions, not their words in front of cameras (counts for every country btw). Examples of US saying one thing but doing the opposite are abundant.
Since the US is keen on using India to contain China, they might aim to weaken Pakistan as well in order to weaken China's influence and reach. Stay strong and vigilant in the face of the US.

China and US disagreement is entirely economic...unlike US and Russia which are engaged in militarized conflicts.

Modi raising the Baloch issue is only to counter Pakistan's rhetoric on Kashmir. And it should be seen as such.

even bigger failure because balochistan and kashmir have two different territorial statuses.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sept. 15: The Obama administration has flatly refused to go along with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's formulations on Balochistan.

It has questioned the contention that Hafiz Saeed was the architect of the Mumbai terrorist attacks in 2008 and firmly ruled out any sanctions on Pakistan for promoting terrorism.

Further, the US has obliquely warned India in public - and more directly in private - about the possibility of a terrorist attack from across the border in Pakistan.


India-Pakistan disputes, which had largely disappeared from being a permanent item on the US state department's daily briefing agenda since the Kargil war and the 2001 Parliament attack, are back at the front and centre of Washington's public enunciation of foreign policy.

In the past one week, India-Pakistan relations took up considerable time every day during the briefings at Foggy Bottom, the site of the state department headquarters. Without mincing words, the Obama administration has made it clear that it wants India and Pakistan to resume their dialogue to "de-escalate tensions" and work towards "cordial, and productive relations".

On Balochistan, the state department's spokesperson, John Kirby, said the US "respects the unity and territorial integrity of Pakistan and we do not support independence for Balochistan".

He refused to make common cause with India on human rights violations in the restive Pakistani province, which were raised by India at the UN Human Rights Council at its ongoing session in Geneva on Wednesday.

When reporters tried to corner the spokesperson on on Modi's Independence Day initiative to internationalise the Balochistan problem, Kirby hastily attempted to end his briefing.

"Okay. Thanks, everybody," he said and folded his briefing book indicating that the press conference was over. Obviously, the Obama administration did not want to snub Modi by openly disagreeing with him.

The reporters managed to extend the briefing, however, by changing the subject. Said one very persevering reporter: "Wait, I got two very...."

He quickly asked a question on Syria which Kirby obligingly answered. Then the briefing continued about the Hezbollah of Lebanon.

Deputy spokesperson Mark Toner's refusal to go along with a reporter's description of Lashkar-e-Toiba co-founder Saeed as the "mastermind" of the terrorist outrage in Mumbai eight years ago was infinitely more unexpected than the US response on Balochistan.

Toner: You are saying this (Saeed) is one of the architects of the Mumbai attack?

Questioner: Yeah.

Toner: Who made this statement? I mean, I would dismiss it outright.

He then proceeded to extol America's "strong bilateral relationship" with Pakistan and argued that the relationship "is premised on counter-terrorism cooperation".

In what sounded like a sop for India, Toner added: "As part of that conversation or that dialogue and that cooperation that we have on counter-terrorism issues, we made it very clear that Pakistan cannot pick and choose which terrorist groups it goes after and it has to go after those groups that seek to do harm to its neighbours and may seek refuge on Pakistani soil."

Reporters took Toner to task for not imposing sanctions on Pakistan for the lack of progress in bringing the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attack to justice: not because it was an attack on India but only because six Americans lost their lives in that terrorist outrage.

"If the same six Americans were killed in any other country, we would have had sanctions, we would have - talk(ed) more tough. Why aren't we doing that with Pakistan? There is - where is the talk? Where is the - it is only the statements from the podiums," ranted an angry reporter at the briefing.

Toner replied: "Well, again, you are asking me - and the question was whether we are looking at sanctioning Pakistan. No. The answer is that we are working with Pakistan, we are making our concerns clear that they need to go after all the terrorist groups that are operating or seeking safe haven on their soil. And that has been our clear objective for a long time now."

In a straight contradiction of the Indian position on the issue, Toner claimed that "we have seen progress (by Pakistan), but we need to see more".

He revealed that the US has been pressing India and Pakistan to share intelligence. "We have been very clear that we want to see accountability and justice in the case of the Mumbai attacks and, as you noted, there were American citizens who lost their lives in that - those terrible attacks. We have long encouraged and pushed for greater counter-terrorism cooperation, and that includes the sharing of intelligence between India and Pakistan in that regard. That continues, those efforts continue. As I said, we want to see full accountability for these terrible attacks."

Sources in Washington have said the Obama administration is worried that if tensions between India and Pakistan continue to be ratcheted up, a terrorist attack like the one in Mumbai eight years ago cannot be ruled out, not necessarily with state support from non-state actors across the border.

These fears were conveyed to India during the recent Strategic and Commercial Dialogue in New Delhi, not on the basis of any hard evidence, but dictated by logic and experiences from the history of India-Pakistan relations.

The public expression of these fears at the state department briefing was very circumspect. Toner said the US was encouraging India and Pakistan to resume their dialogue "out of just that concern, which is that we don't want to see tensions escalate, spiral out of control and lead to some kind of incident".

In intelligence parlance these days, "incident" is code for a terrorist attack. The rationale in having publicly articulated Washington's fears, albeit in a guarded manner, may have been to convey the urgency of resuming the India-Pakistan dialogue to a wider audience than those that were part of the recent Indo-US Strategic and Commercial Dialogue.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160916/jsp/frontpage/story_108513.jsp#.V9t2G_krLIU

To be honest I could not care less what the americans, indians or anyone else for that matter thinks or what their opinions are of Pakistan. Ultimately it means nothing to us. It's what we as Pakistani people do that counts. When we are united and work hard we can achieve ANYTHING. There is a reason why Pakistan has survived so long under virtually impossible odds. We survived constraints that no other nation in the history of mankind has overcome. There is a reason why the americans cannot invade/destroy Pakistan like they did with Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya even though Pakistan was listed for termination along with those mentioned unfortunate nations by the American neo cons in the "plans for a new american century". There is a reason why Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear weapons state that has had thermonuclear and hydrogen bomb capability for the last 5 years at least:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

What many Pakistanis forget is that Pakistan is actually a very powerful nation with massive capability and potential. A fact our enemies are aware of. That's why they are powerless to do anything about us even though they strive for our destruction.

So relax, and don't worry what outsiders think and say or what their plans are. We give faaaarrrrr too much credit to them that we forget about ourselves and our own power.

To hell with the lot of them.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistani bros, please be careful and don't rejoice so soon at such US remarks. What's most important is to monitor the US' actions, not their words in front of cameras (counts for every country btw). Examples of US saying one thing but doing the opposite are abundant.
Since the US is keen on using India to contain China, they might aim to weaken Pakistan as well in order to weaken China's influence and reach. Stay strong and vigilant in the face of the US.

even if they try, they'll fail.....and if Trump wins, they'll just be self-isolated and too busy with internal scandals. Realities have changed and Pakistan wont blindly dance to US "tune" if they want to cozy up to the Hindus, let them

 

[haviZsultan]

These claims are hollow when BLA leaders sit happily in America. The Americans should take action against them.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

To be honest I could not care less what the americans, indians or anyone else for that matter thinks or what their opinions are of Pakistan. Ultimately it means nothing to us. It's what we as Pakistani people do that counts. When we are united and work hard we can achieve ANYTHING. There is a reason why Pakistan has survived so long under virtually impossible odds. We survived constraints that no other nation in the history of mankind has overcome. There is a reason why the americans cannot invade/destroy Pakistan like they did with Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya even though Pakistan was listed for termination along with those mentioned unfortunate nations by the American neo cons in the "plans for a new american century". There is a reason why Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear weapons state that has had thermonuclear and hydrogen bomb capability for the last 5 years at least:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

What many Pakistanis forget is that Pakistan is actually a very powerful nation with massive capability and potential. A fact our enemies are aware of. That's why they are powerless to do anything about us even though they strive for our destruction.

So relax, and don't worry what outsiders think and say or what their plans are. We give faaaarrrrr too much credit to them that we forget about ourselves and our own power.

To hell with the lot of them.

Pakistan may win nuclear war with India but what's the reason it has no chance of winning conventional war, insurgency-on-enemy war (supporting insurgency on enemy territory) and economic espionage and sabotage war, diplomatic war with India? Answer is size – population size, geographic area and material resources. Soviet Nation was a great country and produced great individuals but Afghanistan shattered and vanquished Soviet Union because Soviet Union's population was tiny and it's material resources were scarce – most of Russia is nothing but cold desert. India is not Soviet Union. India has a dense population and is rich in material resources. It is said that a single state of Uttar Pradesh has a population bigger than the entire population of Pakistan. A common refrain of 1965 war is that it was a war of quality versus quantity. But quality has a limitation. One Pakistani soldier may kill dozen Indian soldiers but he has no chance against two dozen Indians. Probably this pattern holds in most walks of life except in contests like sports where only equal number of individuals can represent their respective countries.

Okay. Let me try to explain. Imagine if Pakistan had been as small as Sikkim. Would it hope to win a war with India? Of course Pakistan is not Sikkim but the comparison holds.