Options for Pakistan in dealing with Ind, US

[pmukherjee]

What made you believe a common Pakistani does not want war with India ?
Many people would relish such an opportunity.

Of course they would, especially when they themselves won't be doing any fighting. They are mostly kids who have a distant uncle or cousin in the Army whom they admire very much. These kids could not qualify to join the Army and now do all their fighting on the PDF. Don't worry, here too we have many such people. Know what? They don't matter a damn.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Of course they would, especially when they themselves won't be doing any fighting. They are mostly kids who have a distant uncle or cousin in the Army whom they admire very much. These kids could not qualify to join the Army and now do all their fighting on the PDF. Don't worry, here too we have many such people. Know what? They don't matter a damn.

Things that make you feel safe when you say that.

If your OWN generals and politicians believed what you are professing... things like ... IA's strike formations would be some where else.

Maybe there is a greater cause that you are not aware of ?

 

[VCheng]

............ When the time comes these 'kids' wont be just sitting back, I assure you that..............

After that son of a retired PAF Air Vice-Marshal Faisal Shehzad's failed Times Square stunt, I can assure you that all these "kids" won't be able to do diddly-squat. DHS is not sitting on their backsides either.

 

[Strigon]

After that son of a retired PAF Air Vice-Marshal Faisal Shehzad's failed Times Square stunt, I can assure you that all these "kids" won't be able to do diddly-squat. DHS is not sitting on their backsides either.

what does a wana be terrorist have anything to do with people under consideration here?

 

[Hulk]

Those distant uncles have proved them selves time and time again, always fighting a military 3 times their strength. When the time comes these 'kids' wont be just sitting back, I assure you that.

Annnnnd....the word you have been looking for to explain your entire paragraph of stupidity is called 'Warmongers'. Ironically, hindus show that trait here more than any one. So least get your facts right

You are kidding right?

 

[pmukherjee]

Things that make you feel safe when you say that.

If your OWN generals and politicians believed what you are professing... things like ... IA's strike formations would be some where else.

Maybe there is a greater cause that you are not aware of ?

Buddy, just keep those 'misguided guided missiles' in check and every one will be safe. Don't worry about people 'relishing' war. They are fools.

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Those distant uncles have proved them selves time and time again, always fighting a military 3 times their strength. When the time comes these 'kids' wont be just sitting back, I assure you that.

Annnnnd....the word you have been looking for to explain your entire paragraph of stupidity is called 'Warmongers'. Ironically, hindus show that trait here more than any one. So least get your facts right

Sorry buddy, don't know why you had to bring in my religion into the equation. I won't oblige you by bringing yours in. Thanks for the trouble.

 

[IronsightSniper]

Make love, not war.

I mean that literally.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Development of nuclear tipped shells fired from our 155 mm SPG's and the M 110 SPG's would be a capabiltiy that can give India second thoughts on the IBG strike scenario.

My 2C Worth.

U mayy be forgetting but using depleted uranium shells from aircrafts and artillery are banned by international law as these are considered conventional warfare systems!!!
God, these systems must not be even tried to be produced with, as it will invite international backlash and even china will be helpless to help u in this scenario !!!
First let be no war, even if there is war, let it be conventional !!!

 

[Kazhugu]

Another factor comes into play here. What if the limited Tactical Strike is launched on Indian Armored Brigades on Pakistani soil? What then? Would India counter strike with Nuclear Weapons?
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Development of nuclear tipped shells fired from our 155 mm SPG's and the M 110 SPG's would be a capabiltiy that can give India second thoughts on the IBG strike scenario.

for clarification sake, indian no-first-use policy does not distinguish between tactical/strategic nukes and on whose soil it is used...the wording is "nuclear retaliation to a first strike (on indian assets) will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage''... meaning even if the attack is by a tac nuke on pakistani soil, it will be considered as a first strike against india and the retaliation will be disproportionate.

also there is a talk doing rounds that indian nfu has been changed to no first use against non-nuclear weapon states and this came from a person no less than the national security advisor

The Indian nuclear doctrine also reflects this strategic culture, with its emphasis on minimal deterrence, no first use against non-nuclear weapon states

MEA - Ministry of External Affairs

 

[pmukherjee]

U mayy be forgetting but using depleted uranium shells from aircrafts and artillery are banned by international law as these are considered conventional warfare systems!!!
God, these systems must not be even tried to be produced with, as it will invite international backlash and even china will be helpless to help u in this scenario !!!
First let be no war, even if there is war, let it be conventional !!!

He was talking of nuclear armed artillery shells. Tactical nuclear warheads fired using medium artillery. The 155 MM calibre is suitable for firing sub kiloton nuclear shells. The problem with these nukes is that medium guns can only throw a projectile upto 40 KMs and maybe upto 50 - 60 KMs using extended range propellant charges and drag reducing techniques. That is too short a range for nukes and will undoubtedly be fired on a target within the firer's own territory or very near to the border so will affect the firer's troops.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

He was talking of nuclear armed artillery shells. Tactical nuclear warheads fired using medium artillery. The 155 MM calibre is suitable for firing sub kiloton nuclear shells. The problem with these nukes is that medium guns can only throw a projectile upto 40 KMs and maybe upto 50 - 60 KMs using extended range propellant charges and drag reducing techniques. That is too short a range for nukes and will undoubtedly be fired on a target within the firer's own territory or very near to the border so will affect the firer's troops.

But it is technologically complex to produce such a small one !!!
And india have stated even a small nuclear attack will evoke UNCONTROLLED RESPONSE !!!

 

[pmukherjee]

But it is technologically complex to produce such a small one !!!
And india have stated even a small nuclear attack will evoke UNCONTROLLED RESPONSE !!!

Yes, to both questions. But most nuclear armed countries have them. They were deployed by the NATO in eastern Europe during the cold war. Recent developments in Pakistan regarding testing of the Nasr shows conclusively that they have them too. They are basically 'kamikaze' weapons fired in desperation on an invader overwhelmingly strong where both sides get annihilated.

Our nuclear doctrine states unambiguously that the govt will be forced to reply when our troops are attacked with nukes. That implies that even if the attack occurs outside our territory.

 

[pmukherjee]

Make love, not war.

I mean that literally.

Ya, I.2 billion and counting. You are indeed a good friend!!!

 

[ManuZ]

looks like a troll thread to me

 

[Icewolf]

sorry guys but if we are in a serious all out war with india for kashmir or india liberating balochistan like it did in bangladesh, pakistan will not win with convential, we need to go nuclear and lauch all our 240 nukes, after all india would destroy us.