‘Opportunity for Saudi Arabia to be key interlocutor between U.S., Pakistan’

[PaklovesTurkiye]

What did USA exactly do to create the Taliban ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

 

[waz]

Is this meant to be a joke? Opportunity for what? For the Saudis to drop Pakistan in a hole again. They've shown that they value their relationship with the US above all others, which is fine as it is in their interests. The only issue is that it literally destroyed what trust most Pakistanis had in them, even the delegation led by the good Dr couldn't bring themselves to talk about it as the shock was so great. As usual the Pakistani press hardly covered it, hoping that dear brother Saudi and the GCC states made a mistake or might change their mind.
I would describe myself as a pragmatic fella but even I was quite shocked at how quickly they capitulated at the FATF meeting and put Pakistan on notice i.e. the grey list which will hurt normal Pakistani folks, as it is a hit on the economy in general.
They should be kept at well beyond arm's length and dealt with on a goodbye and hello basis, certainly under the current leadership.

 

[wiseone2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

nice try - that ended in 1989
Taliban was created in 1990s

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

What else is new ??

Dude talk some sense here. You know nothing about Talibans and you're jumping up and down as if once you were a taliban leader. US was directly involved in raising and arming the Talibans against USSR. Pakistan kept that as an asset and its them who are blowing US & NATO apart.

 

[Pak-Americanos]

Is this meant to be a joke? Opportunity for what? For the Saudis to drop Pakistan in a hole again. They've shown that they value their relationship with the US above all others, which is fine as it is in their interests. The only issue is that it literally destroyed what trust most Pakistanis had in them, even the delegation led by the good Dr couldn't bring themselves to talk about it as the shock was so great. As usual the Pakistani press hardly covered it, hoping that dear brother Saudi and the GCC states made a mistake or might change their mind.
I would describe myself as a pragmatic fella but even I was quite shocked at how quickly they capitulated at the FATF meeting and put Pakistan on notice i.e. the grey list which will hurt normal Pakistani folks, as it is a hit on the economy in general.
They should be kept at well beyond arm's length and dealt with on a goodbye and hello basis, certainly under the current leadership.

MBS is 32. Get ready for a long 50+ years of the current leadership.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Is this meant to be a joke? Opportunity for what? For the Saudis to drop Pakistan in a hole again. They've shown that they value their relationship with the US above all others, which is fine as it is in their interests. The only issue is that it literally destroyed what trust most Pakistanis had in them, even the delegation led by the good Dr couldn't bring themselves to talk about it as the shock was so great. As usual the Pakistani press hardly covered it, hoping that dear brother Saudi and the GCC states made a mistake or might change their mind.
I would describe myself as a pragmatic fella but even I was quite shocked at how quickly they capitulated at the FATF meeting and put Pakistan on notice i.e. the grey list which will hurt normal Pakistani folks, as it is a hit on the economy in general.
They should be kept at well beyond arm's length and dealt with on a goodbye and hello basis, certainly under the current leadership.

In this day and age where everything is so competitive, we should try to do international relations based on pragmatism.

 

[wiseone2]

Dude talk some sense here. You know nothing about Talibans and you're jumping up and down as if once you were a taliban leader. US was directly involved in raising and arming the Talibans against USSR. Pakistan kept that as an asset and its them who are blowing US & NATO apart.

US gave Pakistan the moolah. Pakistani generals decided who got American money
American aid went to the Muhajdeen. The Americans cut off all funds in 1989 after the Soviet pullout.
The Taliban was founded in 1990s

Feel free to correct me

 

[Dalit]

American begging goes on and on. Now looking for Saudi intervention.

The Yanks need to give up. The honeymoon is over.

 

[Vortex]

US gave Pakistan the moolah. Pakistani generals decided who got American money
American aid went to the Muhajdeen. The Americans cut off all funds in 1989 after the Soviet pullout.
The Taliban was founded in 1990s

Feel free to correct me

During this ahfghan war all people who fought against soviets were called mujahedins... But after the soviet were sent back, all thoses afghans ( and others, mostly arabs )mujahedins where fightng each other... And Pakstan did what every country would have done in this situation... By the way, what happened with Morsi in Egypt ? He was not suiting US and Isreali interests so he was replaced by their dog... SISSI. gyptians gt ride of an army man to get another army mam with the greats and warm welcoming of USA and Israel... Im happy they deposed morsi... But i disagreed with SISSI takng the power... But as it suit some foreign powers so its ok for great democracies like USA and Israel.
Same n case for Pakstan. Had the USA, and all powers which helped mujahedins to fght soviets, supported afghan people to resolve their internal problems, there wouldn't any alban problems today... Sad but true
Same what happened in syria...Sad but true.
So don't blame Pakistan.

 

[cocomo]

Javid Faisal, deputy spokesman for Afghanistan's Chief Executive Abdullah Abdullah, said Pakistan could acquiesce to talks with Afghanistan mainly because of international pressure.

"What we want from Pakistan is more evidence that they can be trusted," he said.

You don't have to mate. Taliban will probably only talk with USA. Pakistan's position that it is not responsible for peace in Afghanistan has been made clear from the offset.

 

[Corona]

Is this meant to be a joke? Opportunity for what? For the Saudis to drop Pakistan in a hole again. They've shown that they value their relationship with the US above all others, which is fine as it is in their interests. The only issue is that it literally destroyed what trust most Pakistanis had in them, even the delegation led by the good Dr couldn't bring themselves to talk about it as the shock was so great. As usual the Pakistani press hardly covered it, hoping that dear brother Saudi and the GCC states made a mistake or might change their mind.
I would describe myself as a pragmatic fella but even I was quite shocked at how quickly they capitulated at the FATF meeting and put Pakistan on notice i.e. the grey list which will hurt normal Pakistani folks, as it is a hit on the economy in general.
They should be kept at well beyond arm's length and dealt with on a goodbye and hello basis, certainly under the current leadership.

When they say opportunity, they mean opportunity for control. Saudi Arabia is still the focal point when it comes to Middle East policies and religion, especially religion. It won't be too hard for Saudi Arabia to slowly disconnect Pakistan from the rest of the clique, like the way they dealt with Yemen and Qatar. And atleast on the religious point, there are many who will readily take Saud's position in Pakistan.
Of course, something like this won't be as easy to do against Pakistan, considering Pakistan's own influence with other countries and its military capabilities. But how long do you think it will take them to openly accuse Pakistan of everything they are already accusing Yemen or Qatar?

 

[shahbaz baig]

You don't have to mate. Taliban will probably only talk with USA. Pakistan's position that it is not responsible for peace in Afghanistan has been made clear from the offset.

as far as i understood, Taliban only wanna talk with US without any country interference, and Taliban prominent demands in which few are following.
1. Taliban wants the withdrawal of U.S forces in future under an Agreement.
2. Taliban wants development of Afghan Nation without any interest rate on behalf of U.S money but will be ready to share profit and loss in any business with U.S and with anybody else. interest rate not only forbidden in Islam but also in Christianity.

so neither US nor Taliban are taking seriously to each other about the peace deal. U.S also has understood Taliban's demands therefore U.S does not want to talk with Taliban directly and wanna pressurize Taliban with other sources. pakistan/KSA/Indonesia etc whoever suits to U.S.

but no one can do anything alone. specially Pakistan. so yes despite taking the responsibility Pakistan has already lost a position infront of Taliban just like U.S has lost it's position infront of Taliban.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

US gave Pakistan the moolah. Pakistani generals decided who got American money
American aid went to the Muhajdeen. The Americans cut off all funds in 1989 after the Soviet pullout.
The Taliban was founded in 1990s

Feel free to correct me

Are you acting so dumb or you really are? By only changing the name, US can't get away with this. Those Mujahideen that fought USSR established rule in Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan, of course. China was developing too fast to be ignored, specially economically. US wanted to keep them in check, decided to invade Afghanistan (One province has a boundary with China - Xinjiang region).
They plotted 9/11 blamed on Bin Laden once a hero allegedly residing at somewhere inside Afghanistan. That's how they got entry there. Plan was to use Afghanistan destabilize Pakistan using TTP. Once Pakistan had become like Afghanistan, they would have used Pakistan to destabilize China. However, China cut to the chase and decided to strengthen Pakistan, CPEC is the result. Pakistan is working hard to ensure it isn't destabilized rather US gets a bloody nose and it has so far.
Considering Pakistan is fighting US, NATO, India and Iran, I would say it makes Pakistan a really strong country. China knows it that's why investing here. If US destabilizes Pakistan its pretty much game over for China, at least economically a big knock. If that happens, God forbid, Russia would be over too. A lot is at stake but you seem to be a little over 11 years so you won't understand.

 

[wiseone2]

During this ahfghan war all people who fought against soviets were called mujahedins... But after the soviet were sent back, all thoses afghans ( and others, mostly arabs )mujahedins where fightng each other... And Pakstan did what every country would have done in this situation... By the way, what happened with Morsi in Egypt ? He was not suiting US and Isreali interests so he was replaced by their dog... SISSI. gyptians gt ride of an army man to get another army mam with the greats and warm welcoming of USA and Israel... Im happy they deposed morsi... But i disagreed with SISSI takng the power... But as it suit some foreign powers so its ok for great democracies like USA and Israel.
Same n case for Pakstan. Had the USA, and all powers which helped mujahedins to fght soviets, supported afghan people to resolve their internal problems, there wouldn't any alban problems today... Sad but true
Same what happened in syria...Sad but true.
So don't blame Pakistan.

I will give the Pakistani establishment benefit of doubt on creation of Taliban.
The sheer crudeness and barbarity of their ideology raises serious doubts about sanity of some folks in Pakistani establishment

Are you acting so dumb or you really are? By only changing the name, US can't get away with this. Those Mujahideen that fought USSR established rule in Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan, of course. China was developing too fast to be ignored, specially economically. US wanted to keep them in check, decided to invade Afghanistan (One province has a boundary with China - Xinjiang region).
They plotted 9/11 blamed on Bin Laden once a hero allegedly residing at somewhere inside Afghanistan. That's how they got entry there. Plan was to use Afghanistan destabilize Pakistan using TTP. Once Pakistan had become like Afghanistan, they would have used Pakistan to destabilize China. However, China cut to the chase and decided to strengthen Pakistan, CPEC is the result. Pakistan is working hard to ensure it isn't destabilized rather US gets a bloody nose and it has so far.
Considering Pakistan is fighting US, NATO, India and Iran, I would say it makes Pakistan a really strong country. China knows it that's why investing here. If US destabilizes Pakistan its pretty much game over for China, at least economically a big knock. If that happens, God forbid, Russia would be over too. A lot is at stake but you seem to be a little over 11 years so you won't understand.

USA did not change the name of the Muhajdeen groups. Pakistani generals decided which nutcase got the weapons in the 1980s. Pakistan excluded left wing and secular and nationalist Afghan groups. how convenient ??

culprits on every terrorist attack on USA - 9/11, USS cole attack, WTC bombing, East African embassy bombing have been extradited from Pakistan. I will let you figure out who the culprits are. you invited the Americans in.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pakistan-arrests-uss-cole-attack-suspect-1.474908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/30/w...rest-of-a-suspect-in-98-embassy-bombings.html

 

[Vortex]

I will give the Pakistani establishment benefit of doubt on creation of Taliban.

Give whatever you want, that won't change face of the world.

The sheer crudeness and barbarity of their ideology raises serious doubts about sanity of some folks in Pakistani establishment

Were others afghanis factions angels ?

The sanity of some folks in Pakistani establishment was to do whatever to protect the country. They choosed the faction which was the less opposed to Pakistan. Which and what were other factions ? Pro Iran ? Pro India ? So any sane folks in establishement would have picked the neutral one or at least the less opposed to their country...

Isn't what is doing USA in many countries ?

USA did not change the name of the Muhajdeen groups. Pakistani generals decided which nutcase got the weapons in the 1980s. Pakistan excluded left wing and secular and nationalist Afghan groups. how convenient ??

Could you name those groups or factions ?

culprits on every terrorist attack on USA - 9/11, USS cole attack, WTC bombing, East African embassy bombing have been extradited from Pakistan. I will let you figure out who the culprits are. you invited the Americans in.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pakistan-arrests-uss-cole-attack-suspect-1.474908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/30/w...rest-of-a-suspect-in-98-embassy-bombings.html

And ?