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Opinionated - Solution to the Kashmir Dispute

Read my OP.

GB is important for China's BRI

Also, They already have a part of GB.

Finally it will compensate for their loss of Mount Kailash and Lake Manasarovar.

Seriously are you out of your mind? Read my post earlier. Gang Rinpoche ("Mount Kailash") is one of the holiest place in Tibetan Buddhism. Also Mapham Gyumtsho ("Lake Manasarovar") is considered a holy lake by Tibetans. China is never going to trade them away.

Also China has no desire whatsoever to acquire Gilgit-Baltistan.
 
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Seriously are you out of your mind? Read my post earlier. Gang Rinpoche ("Mount Kailash") is one of the holiest place in Tibetan Buddhism. Also Mapham Gyumtsho ("Lake Manasarovar") is considered a holy lake by Tibetans. China is never going to trade them away.

Also China has no desire whatsoever to acquire Gilgit-Baltistan.

Buddhism is a sect of Hinduism. So of course it would be.

I expect Dalai Lama and Tibetans to travel and worship.
 
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the reasons is for hindu rebilions in the time of Muslim Rules in the subcontinent, use the common sense and logic if you have and raping is the common things in all ancient conquered kindoms

AND LAST HINDU TEMPLES WERE THE CENTERS OF VARIOUS REBILIONS THROUGOUT HISTORY OF THE MUSLIM RULES IN THE SUBCONTINENT, THAT'S WHY THEY WERE DESTROYED
Normal brainwashing (and poor English) detected. Gazab argument dete ho apni misdeeds to defend karne ke liye! Pata nahi kis duniya mein rehte ho
China could be more than reasonable with our friends. We redraw the border with North Korea to give them a corner of the Heaven Lake on the Changbai Mountains because of its importance to the Korean founding myth, even though the lake was 3km inside the old China-Korea border. Chinese nationalists and some Manchu Chinese still haven't forgiven the CCP for that. Alas, India is not a friend.

In any case, Gang Rinpoche (what you call 'Kailash') is spiritually important to Tibetans. Go watch the film Paths of the Soul. It's about Tibetan pilgrimage to Lhasa and Gang Rinpoche. Here's a trailer.


Watch the film and you'll understand how important Gang Rinpoche is to Tibetans. Giving Gang Rinpoche to India means giving up the legitimacy to govern Tibet. Chinese government will NEVER EVER do that.
I had heard about Gand Rinpoche and its significane to Tibetans. All the more reason for China to hand it over to India and stop keeping Tibet under its thump. Tibetans will be happy and Indians too.

CPEC is a project connecting China with Pakistan. The idea that China need to take Gilgit-Baltistan from Pakistan for CPEC is even more absurd than the idea that Australia needs to patrol South China Sea to protect its trade with China from China.
For higher probability of success of the CPEC project , China should keep GB out of it. Otherwise, its failure is guaranteed. If CPEC is critical for China & Pak, better to take the path which has higher probability of success.
 
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I had heard about Gand Rinpoche and its significane to Tibetans. All the more reason for China to hand it over to India and stop keeping Tibet under its thump. Tibetans will be happy and Indians too.

Do us a favor and ask the pretender Tibetan-in-exile government you host to publicly declare Gang Rinpoche a part of India. Although they're by now pretty harmless it would still be fun to watch them sabotaging themselves.
 
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ok what else do you have, read the history of subcontinent from neutral sources, not from RSS sanghi type historians
you dont need to read history (sanghi or non-sanghi) to know that "kafirs", "shirk" "right hand possessions", "striking terror in their hearts" and many such unique & distinct constructs & definitions are exclusive to one & only.
Do us a favor and ask the pretender Tibetan-in-exile government you host to publicly declare Gang Rinpoche a part of India. Although they're by now pretty harmless it would still be fun to watch them sabotaging themselves.
The superpower should not ask others for any favours. If they are so harmless, why are you chasing them so desperately?
 
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Which Kashmiris? They are not a single group.

AJK has Sunni Muslim Punjabhis

Kashmir Valley has Sunni Muslim Kashmiris

GB has Shia Muslims

Jammu has Hindus

Ladakh has Buddhists
Are you #ucking out of your mind? Punjabi’s in AJK? Only Shias in GB?
 
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you dont need to read history (sanghi or non-sanghi) to know that "kafirs", "shirk" "right hand possessions", "striking terror in their hearts" and many such unique & distinct constructs & definitions are exclusive to one & only.
its seem to be you hate Islam too much without logical and critical thinking, Islam is the only religion on earth that provide peace to the Children/women and olds in war, and their is lots Muslim rulers in the subcontinent that support, build/ funds lots temples to promotes peace in between the religions
 
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Are you #ucking out of your mind? Punjabi’s in AJK? Only Shias in GB?

Yes. AJK people speak Punjabhi.

Shias are the majority in GB.

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The superpower should not ask others for any favours. If they are so harmless, why are you chasing them so desperately?

Oh, stop changing the topic. How do you like my proposal about the pretender Tibetan-in-exile government and Gang Rinpoche? After all you thought Tibetans would be happy to give their holy mountain to India. Surely it would boost the pretender government's popularity in Tibet, right?
 
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Wrong on both counts! The language spoken in Asad Kashmir is Pahari-Potawatomi which is similar to Hindko.

It may be a dialect. Read this.

JAMMU AND KASHMIR:
DISTRIBUTION OF LANGUAGES
The area comprising the erstwhile princely state of Jammu and Kashmir is one of remarkable linguistic diversity. Within it two major language families, the Indo-European and the Sino-Tibetan, each dominate over extensive areas, while an as-yet-unclassified language, Burushaski, occupies a relatively small niche along the border with China and Afghanistan. Among the Indo-European languages, Kashmiri, Shina, and several other local tongues (spoken over much of the Northern Areas and in a small portion of Kargil district) form a distinct Dardic group, whose area of dominance also extends across the northern part of the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan and into northeastern Afghanistan. Whether or not this group constitutes a separate sub-family within the Indo-European family is a question still debated by linguists; but none doubts the linguistic affinity of Dardic languages. Kashmiri, despite accounting for the largest number of speakers in the state, occupies only a relatively small area centering on the Vale of Kashmir.
Fig4_v6.jpg

Punjabi, accounting for the second most numerous group of speakers, dominates in Azad Kashmir, while Dogri, often considered a dialect of Punjabi, is the principal language of Jammu, but its dominance there is much less pronounced than that of Kashmiri in Kashmir. Also within the Indo-European family are several locally dominant languages, most notably Gojri, the language spoken by the Gujar and Bakerwal pastoral communities, and various dialects collectively grouped under the designation "Pahari" (i.e., of the mountains). All these are now lumped by the Indian census under the term "Hindi," in marked contrast to census practice up to the year 1971; and it is no longer possible to disaggregate them. Finally, two mutually comprehensible dialects of Tibetan, Balti and Ladakhi, dominate in Pakistani-held Baltistan and Indian-held Ladakh respectively. The following table provides some overall data:
Regional Distribution of Major Languages, 1981​
Region​
Principal
Language​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of Total
Population​
Second
language*​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of
Population​
Indian-held areas​
Kashmir​
Kashmiri​
2,806​
89.5​
"Hindi"**​
245​
7.8​
Jammu​
Dogri​
1,450​
53.3​
"Hindi"**​
774​
28.5​
Ladakh​
Tibetan​
121​
90.2​
Total​
Kashmiri​
3,136​
52.3​
Dogri​
1,454​
24.3​
Pakistani-held areas​
Azad Kashmir​
Punjabi***​
1,693​
85.4​
Northern Areas​
Shina​
****​
?​
Balti​
****​
?​
Total​
Punjabi***​
1,701​
66.5​
Shina​
****​
?​
Grand total​
Kashmiri​
3,166​
37.1​
Punjabi***​
1,877​
22​
* Indicated only where in excess of 5.0%.
** For explanation, see text above.
*** Probably overcounted, with commensurate undercounting of Pahari and Gojri.
**** Percentages cannot be specified in that Shina, other Dardic languages, Balti, and Burushaski are all grouped by census under "Others." Based on data of pre-independence censuses, Shina (spoken mainly in Gilgit and Diamir Districts) and Balti (spoken in Baltistan) are believed to rank first and second respectively within the Northern Areas.
In interpreting the accompanying map and the foregoing table an important caveat is in order: the transitions from one language area to another do not normally follow administrative boundaries. For example, in Kashmir, the lowlands of all districts are overwhelmingly Kashmiri-speaking while the numerically dominant population in the adjoining hills speaks Gojri. Similar situations apply in respect to speakers of Dogri and Pahari in Jammu.​


 
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Kailash Mansarovar is considered the abode of none other than Lord Shiva and very important religious site for Hindus

Chinese are atheists hence Kailash Mansarovar is of little importance for them.

On the other hand Chinese value GB as it is key for their BRI/CPEC


1) Pakistan get AJK and Kashmir Valley - This gives Pakistan all the Muslim lands of Kashmir.

2) China gets GB including Shaksgam valley

3) India gets Jammu, Ladakh apart from Mount Kailash and Mansarovar Lake of Tibet


Highlights:

Pakistan gets Kashmir valley in lieu of GB

China gets GB in lieu of Mount Kailash and Mansarovar Lake

India get Mount Kailash and Mansarovar Lake in lieu of Kashmir Valley



It is a win-win deal for all three parties



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What china has to do with gilgit baltistan ? Stupid remarks
 
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It may be a dialect. Read this.


JAMMU AND KASHMIR:
DISTRIBUTION OF LANGUAGES
The area comprising the erstwhile princely state of Jammu and Kashmir is one of remarkable linguistic diversity. Within it two major language families, the Indo-European and the Sino-Tibetan, each dominate over extensive areas, while an as-yet-unclassified language, Burushaski, occupies a relatively small niche along the border with China and Afghanistan. Among the Indo-European languages, Kashmiri, Shina, and several other local tongues (spoken over much of the Northern Areas and in a small portion of Kargil district) form a distinct Dardic group, whose area of dominance also extends across the northern part of the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan and into northeastern Afghanistan. Whether or not this group constitutes a separate sub-family within the Indo-European family is a question still debated by linguists; but none doubts the linguistic affinity of Dardic languages. Kashmiri, despite accounting for the largest number of speakers in the state, occupies only a relatively small area centering on the Vale of Kashmir.
Fig4_v6.jpg

Punjabi, accounting for the second most numerous group of speakers, dominates in Azad Kashmir, while Dogri, often considered a dialect of Punjabi, is the principal language of Jammu, but its dominance there is much less pronounced than that of Kashmiri in Kashmir. Also within the Indo-European family are several locally dominant languages, most notably Gojri, the language spoken by the Gujar and Bakerwal pastoral communities, and various dialects collectively grouped under the designation "Pahari" (i.e., of the mountains). All these are now lumped by the Indian census under the term "Hindi," in marked contrast to census practice up to the year 1971; and it is no longer possible to disaggregate them. Finally, two mutually comprehensible dialects of Tibetan, Balti and Ladakhi, dominate in Pakistani-held Baltistan and Indian-held Ladakh respectively. The following table provides some overall data:​
Regional Distribution of Major Languages, 1981​
Region​
Principal
Language​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of Total
Population​
Second
language*​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of
Population​
Indian-held areas​
Kashmir​
Kashmiri​
2,806​
89.5​
"Hindi"**​
245​
7.8​
Jammu​
Dogri​
1,450​
53.3​
"Hindi"**​
774​
28.5​
Ladakh​
Tibetan​
121​
90.2​
Total​
Kashmiri​
3,136​
52.3​
Dogri​
1,454​
24.3​
Pakistani-held areas​
Azad Kashmir​
Punjabi***​
1,693​
85.4​
Northern Areas​
Shina​
****​
?​
Balti​
****​
?​
Total​
Punjabi***​
1,701​
66.5​
Shina​
****​
?​
Grand total​
Kashmiri​
3,166​
37.1​
Punjabi***​
1,877​
22​
* Indicated only where in excess of 5.0%.
** For explanation, see text above.
*** Probably overcounted, with commensurate undercounting of Pahari and Gojri.
**** Percentages cannot be specified in that Shina, other Dardic languages, Balti, and Burushaski are all grouped by census under "Others." Based on data of pre-independence censuses, Shina (spoken mainly in Gilgit and Diamir Districts) and Balti (spoken in Baltistan) are believed to rank first and second respectively within the Northern Areas.
In interpreting the accompanying map and the foregoing table an important caveat is in order: the transitions from one language area to another do not normally follow administrative boundaries. For example, in Kashmir, the lowlands of all districts are overwhelmingly Kashmiri-speaking while the numerically dominant population in the adjoining hills speaks Gojri. Similar situations apply in respect to speakers of Dogri and Pahari in Jammu.



Stop quoting some outdated and incorrect Indian text book. I have travelled the length and breath of Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan. You have no idea what you are talking about. I know what they speak, what they believe in, what they wear and what they eat. Unlike Indian Kashmir, Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan are fully integrated into Pakistan irrespective of language or sect or administrative status. They are one of the most patriotic Pakistanis and are valued for their high literacy rate and industriousness. They serve in the military disproportionate to their population size. Suggesting that GB should be ceded to China has no logical basis except In your small and prejudiced mind due to your desire to get Mount Kailash. My advise to you is that it is OK to be stupid and ill informed but do not go around telling the whole world that you are stupid and ill informed.

You want Kailash Mansarovar go ask the Chinese for it and see what you get. Why are you trying to use Pakistan to get what you want? Do it on your own.

It may be a dialect. Read this.


JAMMU AND KASHMIR:
DISTRIBUTION OF LANGUAGES
The area comprising the erstwhile princely state of Jammu and Kashmir is one of remarkable linguistic diversity. Within it two major language families, the Indo-European and the Sino-Tibetan, each dominate over extensive areas, while an as-yet-unclassified language, Burushaski, occupies a relatively small niche along the border with China and Afghanistan. Among the Indo-European languages, Kashmiri, Shina, and several other local tongues (spoken over much of the Northern Areas and in a small portion of Kargil district) form a distinct Dardic group, whose area of dominance also extends across the northern part of the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan and into northeastern Afghanistan. Whether or not this group constitutes a separate sub-family within the Indo-European family is a question still debated by linguists; but none doubts the linguistic affinity of Dardic languages. Kashmiri, despite accounting for the largest number of speakers in the state, occupies only a relatively small area centering on the Vale of Kashmir.
Fig4_v6.jpg

Punjabi, accounting for the second most numerous group of speakers, dominates in Azad Kashmir, while Dogri, often considered a dialect of Punjabi, is the principal language of Jammu, but its dominance there is much less pronounced than that of Kashmiri in Kashmir. Also within the Indo-European family are several locally dominant languages, most notably Gojri, the language spoken by the Gujar and Bakerwal pastoral communities, and various dialects collectively grouped under the designation "Pahari" (i.e., of the mountains). All these are now lumped by the Indian census under the term "Hindi," in marked contrast to census practice up to the year 1971; and it is no longer possible to disaggregate them. Finally, two mutually comprehensible dialects of Tibetan, Balti and Ladakhi, dominate in Pakistani-held Baltistan and Indian-held Ladakh respectively. The following table provides some overall data:​
Regional Distribution of Major Languages, 1981​
Region​
Principal
Language​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of Total
Population​
Second
language*​
Speakers
(1,000s)​
% of
Population​
Indian-held areas​
Kashmir​
Kashmiri​
2,806​
89.5​
"Hindi"**​
245​
7.8​
Jammu​
Dogri​
1,450​
53.3​
"Hindi"**​
774​
28.5​
Ladakh​
Tibetan​
121​
90.2​
Total​
Kashmiri​
3,136​
52.3​
Dogri​
1,454​
24.3​
Pakistani-held areas​
Azad Kashmir​
Punjabi***​
1,693​
85.4​
Northern Areas​
Shina​
****​
?​
Balti​
****​
?​
Total​
Punjabi***​
1,701​
66.5​
Shina​
****​
?​
Grand total​
Kashmiri​
3,166​
37.1​
Punjabi***​
1,877​
22​
* Indicated only where in excess of 5.0%.
** For explanation, see text above.
*** Probably overcounted, with commensurate undercounting of Pahari and Gojri.
**** Percentages cannot be specified in that Shina, other Dardic languages, Balti, and Burushaski are all grouped by census under "Others." Based on data of pre-independence censuses, Shina (spoken mainly in Gilgit and Diamir Districts) and Balti (spoken in Baltistan) are believed to rank first and second respectively within the Northern Areas.
In interpreting the accompanying map and the foregoing table an important caveat is in order: the transitions from one language area to another do not normally follow administrative boundaries. For example, in Kashmir, the lowlands of all districts are overwhelmingly Kashmiri-speaking while the numerically dominant population in the adjoining hills speaks Gojri. Similar situations apply in respect to speakers of Dogri and Pahari in Jammu.



Hindko or Potohari might be related to Punjabi but they are not a dialect of Punjabi because they are older than Punjabi. Tell a Potohari from Pakistan that he speaks Punjabi and wait for his reaction.
 
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