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Opinionated - China Chipping Away to Semiconductor Dominance

My guess is the OS would be a version of Linux like UOS

OK. Then well, if they were going to design a processor and it is the result of 20 years of general field intellectual experience and many years of effort then they should have designed a non-Linux OS from scratch to run on this processor. Something innovative. Something more simple and reliable than Linux. They could have studied QNX OS which is a microkernel-based OS which is even used in nuclear reactors. To me it seems pointless that they architect a processor to be able to run Linux just because Linux is fashionable now and because Linux has a ready app ecosystem.
 
Two thousand instructions ! Why are so many necessary ?



Where can I find more info on this OS ?

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@fitpOsitive @ps3linux, so RISC-V and my own processor + OS project have a new rival. :D
Yes go help India build a completely new 'processor' and 'OS' . How can the thousands of Tsinghua PhD compare to you 1 Indian, we are stupid only. Trust me, that's why India has world class processor and OS created by you, one Indian is enough. Lolol. I studied E & E btw.
 
Alibaba's chip arm unveils new processor
Phate Zhang May 18, 2021

PingTouGe Semiconductor, the chip division of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba, today announced a new processor in its Xuantie series - the Xuantie 907.

The processor is optimized for the open-source RISC-V architecture and can be used in microprocessors, intelligent voice, navigation and positioning, storage control, and other applications. The processor has been licensed to several companies.

The Xuantie 907 operates at a maximum frequency of more than 1GHz and achieves a unit performance of 3.8 Coremark/MHz.

Alibaba's chip arm unveils new processor-CnTechPost

The processor implements the latest DSP instruction standard of RISC-V for the first time, and is suitable for real-time computing scenarios with high computational performance requirements such as storage and industrial control.


PingTouGe, a wholly-owned semiconductor chip business entity of Alibaba, was established in September 2018 to develop data center and embedded IoT chip products for the new architecture of next-generation cloud all-in-one chips.

Since its establishment in 2018, PingTouGe has launched several products, including AI chip Hanguang 800, RISC-V processor Xuantie 910, and one-stop chip design platform "Wujian", of which Hanguang 800 is Alibaba's first chip.

PingTouGe Xuantie series processors have shipped over 2 billion units.

 
Yusur eyes greater prospects with homegrown DPU chips
By CHENG YU | China Daily
Updated: May 20, 2021

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DPU, as a newly-developed dedicated processor, is seeing rapid development as the data surge has created huge demand for computing delay, data security, and virtualization tech. [Photo/yusur.tech]

Homegrown data processing units, or DPU semiconductors, are expected to be at the forefront of China's efforts to reduce dependence on foreign chip companies and bolster independent production of vital components, according to the founder of a leading tech startup.

"China lags behind developed countries in the manufacture of previous generations of chips. But when it comes to DPU chips, it is on a par with the rest of the world," said Yan Guihai, founder and CEO of Yusur.

"The country has the world's strongest internet industry with the largest group of netizens and related infrastructure. This has led to a huge demand for computing power and created huge development opportunities for DPU products," Yan said.

According to Yan, unlike the well-known central processing unit that does general-purpose computing, DPUs have been designed to process data that get moved around the data center.

"DPU, as a newly-developed dedicated processor, is seeing rapid development as the data surge has created huge demand for computing delay, data security, and virtualization tech. Unlike other semiconductors, DPUs can help solve problems related to these sectors," he said.

Yusur, which is backed by the Institute of Computing Technology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, has been developing DPUs based on its self-developed Kernel Processing Unit architecture. Its related products and solutions have been applied in several scenarios like fast financial transactions and risk control.

The move toward self-reliance comes amid Sino-US trade friction, which has bolstered investments from Chinese entrepreneurs in the domestic chip industry.

Last year, investors poured more than 200 billion yuan ($30.9 billion) into the chip sector. It was much higher than the 70 billion yuan or more seen in 2019. Venture capital firms, private equity firms and IPOs of startups were the main sources of funding for the sector.

The country's annual tone-setting Central Economic Work Conference in December highlighted the importance of technological innovation to solve major problems that restrict the nation's economic development.

The conference said China will ensure better implementation of key projects targeting breakthroughs in key technologies and solutions to bottleneck problems, while encouraging businesses to focus on their areas of strength and forge new cutting-edge technologies.

Driven by the huge demand for chips, the company's order book has been swelling, while chip output has already hit a record in the first quarter of this year, Yan said.

When it comes to DPU chips, the company is pitted against big global names like Intel, Nvidia and Broadcom, all of whom are using the Arm architecture.

"Unlike these firms, Yusur uses heterogeneous computing, which refers to systems that use more than one kind of processor or cores," he said.

Zhang Yansheng, chief researcher at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, said: "It is a clear sign that China, starting from this year, is keen on boosting its self-developed technological prowess."
 
Yes go help India build a completely new 'processor' and 'OS' . How can the thousands of Tsinghua PhD compare to you 1 Indian, we are stupid only. Trust me, that's why India has world class processor and OS created by you, one Indian is enough. Lolol. I studied E & E btw.

Every country has PhDs in electronics, electrics, software etc but why doesn't every country not have their own and different types of processors and OSs ? Why didn't China have at least a dozen... okay at least three different processors and OSs say twenty years ago ?

And I am just a humble college dropout who dropped out in his 12th class. How can I compare to genius Tsinghua PhDs ? ;)

Yes go help India build a completely new 'processor' and 'OS' .

So this new Chinese processor and OS don't have even one new thing ? Where can I find more detail about them ? Why are there nearly 2000 instructions in the processor ?
 
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Every country has PhDs in electronics, electrics, software etc but why doesn't every country not have their own and different types of processors and OSs ? Why didn't China have at least a dozen... okay at least three different processors and OSs say twenty years ago ?

And I am just a humble college dropout who dropped out in his 12th class. How can I compare to genius Tsinghua PhDs ? ;)



So this new Chinese processor and OS don't have even one new thing ? Where can I find more detail about them ? Why are there nearly 2000 instructions in the processor ?
Because you talk as if its so easy, so go ahead and design a processor for India. Create the new ISA and new OS. See, Indians talk, Chinese do. Lolol

Why why why why, this is the typical Indian, then you tell me why there is 2000 lines of code? Hey you are the smart *** not me.
 
Because you talk as if its so easy, so go ahead and design a processor for India. Create the new ISA and new OS. See, Indians talk, Chinese do. Lolol

I speak for myself. I am not some hyper-nationalist Indian.

And it is not easy in the usual sense. It has taken me years to simplify the processor's design and do the outline of a simplified, reliable, microkernel-based OS.

At present it is a 32-bit design. Once I have the prototype in a year or so, hopefully, I will see how to elaborate that to 64-bit.

Why why why why, this is the typical Indian, then you tell me why there is 2000 lines of code? Hey you are the smart *** not me.

2000 lines of code ? That's not a correct comparison. You tell me why this Chinese LoongArch processor has 2000 instructions.
 
I speak for myself. I am not some hyper-nationalist Indian.

And it is not easy in the usual sense. It has taken me years to simplify the processor's design and do the outline of a simplified, reliable, microkernel-based OS.

At present it is a 32-bit design. Once I have the prototype in a year or so, hopefully, I will see how to elaborate that to 64-bit.



2000 lines of code ? That's not a correct comparison. You tell me why this Chinese LoongArch processor has 2000 instructions.
OK when yr Microsoft and Linux beating OS comes out and your 10GHZ processor is ready, don't forget to ring me. And for the last time professor, you should tell me why there is a 2000 line code.
 
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This is what Liberal Arts Prof. Lin Yifu of Peking University said at the forum on Future Development of Chinese Enterprises 2021.

The forum was jointly held by China Chamber of International Commerce and the National School of Development and Institute of New Structural Economics of Peking University on May 27, 2021.

According to him, ASML CEO Peter Wennink told him that he was very worried that if ASML did not sell EUV lithography systems to China now, China will soon master the technology within the next three years.

They will be then market these advanced machines to the rest of the world at very competitive prices, much lower than ASML's EUV lithography machines.
 
Meanwhile I just read this.

ASML has recently indicated that this next-gen tool, called "high-NA" EUV, will be delayed as well by several years compared to prior expectations.

At the moment the WPH for ASML's latest model NXE:3300C is still low approx 135 compared with >300 for DUV.
 
They will be then market these advanced machines to the rest of the world at very competitive prices, much lower than ASML's EUV lithography machines.
huawei is building their own fabs with chinese companies and now getting into fab equipment and materials too. huawei is giant semiconductor company in the making. the power of 20 bn dollars a year r&d. :D mic2025.
 
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