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Opinion: US trade hawks threatened by the rise of the Asian dragon

CGTN
2018-07-06

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Less than a month ago when the prospects of a full-blown trade war were becoming gloomier, Nobel laureate Paul Krugman was still skeptical that such an escalation could happen.

"What I thought would happen, instead, was a bit of kabuki: America’s major trading partners would make cosmetic concessions – perhaps with some lucrative payoffs to Trump businesses on the side – that would let Trump proclaim a 'win', and trade would go on much as before."

Back in March, Peter Navarro, one of US President Donald Trump's top advisors, declared: "I don’t believe any country will retaliate", on account of that the US has the upper hand since it imports more.

However, as the day Trump’s proposed tariff plans take effect (July 6) has arrived, it seems that a trade war has become a reality.

But the reason why Krugman thought a trade war would not be on is much more realistic than Navaro's. He thought that the power of big money can turn Trump and his "think" tank (if they are still doing that) around.

According to Krugman, trillions of dollars have been invested based on the assumption that "an open world trading system, permitting value-added chains that sprawl across national borders, was going to be a permanent fixture of the environment." And people would think that somehow the message could get through to the White House by corporations powers. But the power of politics seems to have trumped common sense in economics.

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An American farmer loads soybeans from his grain bin onto a truck before taking them to a grain elevator in Dwight, Illinois, US on June 13, 2018./VCG Photo

Europe and Canada, even though angered by Trump’s move, seem hesitant about forging a united front against the US on trade. Perhaps they were more confused than angry vis-à-vis the current trade system, which was co-built under the neoliberal philosophy that the Western world has promoted since Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980s.

But as David Harvey, a famous Marxist economist has observed, neoliberal policies, characterized by deregulation and the diminishing role of the state, have not created another golden era for capitalism after the 2008 crisis. The economy has remained stagnated and the wealth that it had created was concentrated in the hands of Wall Street elites and corporate executives, not the majority.

While the world’s attention has been focused on the tit-for-tat exchanges between China and the US, few have noticed that Trump’s domestic economic policies are still in line with that advanced by his predecessors. The favorable signs on the stock market that Trump likes to brag about are perhaps money to the already affluent pockets.

Choosing China as the scapegoat, as the US has already done in the 1980s with Japan, was such a convenient way to legitimize the stark inequality and economic stagnation.

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US President Donald Trump speaks with Harley Davidson CEO Matthew Levatich (L) as he greets Harley Davidson executives and union representatives on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, DC, on February 2 ,2017. /VCG Photo

But the trade deficit could have been solved with further trade deals and negotiations, which China has already offered with sincerity. As for the intellectual property that the US has accused China of stealing, it is such a classic textbook maneuver of "kicking away the ladder": once advanced economies climb higher, they kick away the tool they have used and rule out development opportunities for other countries.

But why is the West so anxious to kick away the ladder? If trade deficit can be resolved without going to war, why does Trump still insist on a trade war? Why do Europe and Canada still hesitate to fight the US?

Perhaps there is more than trade in the mind of Trump and the hawks surrounding him.

When Western capitalism was at its highest peak in the 50s and 60s, China was still going through economic hardship. When the Soviet Union, perceived at the time as the biggest economy of a Western order, collapsed in the 90s, China's economy had just begun to take off. After the bloc collapsed, Francis Fukuyama wrote "The end of history and the last man", which in effect announced the victory of the Western world order. The West looked around and found no one that could compete against it.

The Cold War may have ended, but the entrenched belief constructed from colonial times that only Western democratic countries could achieve development persists. For the US and even Europe's perspective, Asia, Africa, and Latin America are only allowed to live in the history that the former have lived in.

The US's confidence is based on the belief that those developing economies can chase after them, but they could never surpass them. This has been the discourse that they have used for decades as they looked down on developing countries. There is the West, and there is the "rest". Their Eurocentric mindset would not allow a "non-traditional" country by their definition, namely China, to achieve such a great success under the global trade framework they have built.

The trade war that seems inevitable now is far more than trade and even economy. The West was able to "deal with", rule over and control the East through colonialism, but now it is facing a rising Asia that could not be pinned in a familiar system that they used to know so neatly. Trumpism is a stress response to the fall of Eurocentrism.

But no matter whether it's China or India, no one is waiting for them to figure out what has been going on in the world order. China is neither afraid of a trade war, nor scared of America's deception.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d414e79416a4e78457a6333566d54/share_p.html

@Cybernetics , @Dungeness , @TANAHH , @Kiss_of_the_Dragon , @AndrewJin
 
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China should not be intimidated by the US. China should stop talking and REASONING with the US and channel all its efforts to retaliate against the US. If they want to play dirty you should oblige and do the same. Talking in a conciliatory tones makes China looks really weak. It's time China pulls out all its trump cards to teach this evil (US) a lesson.
 
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Opinion: US trade hawks threatened by the rise of the Asian dragon

CGTN
2018-07-06

141a4edc877749a1acdf46c941c3ff9b.jpg

Less than a month ago when the prospects of a full-blown trade war were becoming gloomier, Nobel laureate Paul Krugman was still skeptical that such an escalation could happen.

"What I thought would happen, instead, was a bit of kabuki: America’s major trading partners would make cosmetic concessions – perhaps with some lucrative payoffs to Trump businesses on the side – that would let Trump proclaim a 'win', and trade would go on much as before."

Back in March, Peter Navarro, one of US President Donald Trump's top advisors, declared: "I don’t believe any country will retaliate", on account of that the US has the upper hand since it imports more.

However, as the day Trump’s proposed tariff plans take effect (July 6) has arrived, it seems that a trade war has become a reality.

But the reason why Krugman thought a trade war would not be on is much more realistic than Navaro's. He thought that the power of big money can turn Trump and his "think" tank (if they are still doing that) around.

According to Krugman, trillions of dollars have been invested based on the assumption that "an open world trading system, permitting value-added chains that sprawl across national borders, was going to be a permanent fixture of the environment." And people would think that somehow the message could get through to the White House by corporations powers. But the power of politics seems to have trumped common sense in economics.

5e48bae110d54eecbd8ca2a9b9b73987.jpg

An American farmer loads soybeans from his grain bin onto a truck before taking them to a grain elevator in Dwight, Illinois, US on June 13, 2018./VCG Photo

Europe and Canada, even though angered by Trump’s move, seem hesitant about forging a united front against the US on trade. Perhaps they were more confused than angry vis-à-vis the current trade system, which was co-built under the neoliberal philosophy that the Western world has promoted since Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980s.

But as David Harvey, a famous Marxist economist has observed, neoliberal policies, characterized by deregulation and the diminishing role of the state, have not created another golden era for capitalism after the 2008 crisis. The economy has remained stagnated and the wealth that it had created was concentrated in the hands of Wall Street elites and corporate executives, not the majority.

While the world’s attention has been focused on the tit-for-tat exchanges between China and the US, few have noticed that Trump’s domestic economic policies are still in line with that advanced by his predecessors. The favorable signs on the stock market that Trump likes to brag about are perhaps money to the already affluent pockets.

Choosing China as the scapegoat, as the US has already done in the 1980s with Japan, was such a convenient way to legitimize the stark inequality and economic stagnation.

55106635fd9e4b8db41a7c34e5fbba82.jpg

US President Donald Trump speaks with Harley Davidson CEO Matthew Levatich (L) as he greets Harley Davidson executives and union representatives on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, DC, on February 2 ,2017. /VCG Photo

But the trade deficit could have been solved with further trade deals and negotiations, which China has already offered with sincerity. As for the intellectual property that the US has accused China of stealing, it is such a classic textbook maneuver of "kicking away the ladder": once advanced economies climb higher, they kick away the tool they have used and rule out development opportunities for other countries.

But why is the West so anxious to kick away the ladder? If trade deficit can be resolved without going to war, why does Trump still insist on a trade war? Why do Europe and Canada still hesitate to fight the US?

Perhaps there is more than trade in the mind of Trump and the hawks surrounding him.

When Western capitalism was at its highest peak in the 50s and 60s, China was still going through economic hardship. When the Soviet Union, perceived at the time as the biggest economy of a Western order, collapsed in the 90s, China's economy had just begun to take off. After the bloc collapsed, Francis Fukuyama wrote "The end of history and the last man", which in effect announced the victory of the Western world order. The West looked around and found no one that could compete against it.

The Cold War may have ended, but the entrenched belief constructed from colonial times that only Western democratic countries could achieve development persists. For the US and even Europe's perspective, Asia, Africa, and Latin America are only allowed to live in the history that the former have lived in.

The US's confidence is based on the belief that those developing economies can chase after them, but they could never surpass them. This has been the discourse that they have used for decades as they looked down on developing countries. There is the West, and there is the "rest". Their Eurocentric mindset would not allow a "non-traditional" country by their definition, namely China, to achieve such a great success under the global trade framework they have built.

The trade war that seems inevitable now is far more than trade and even economy. The West was able to "deal with", rule over and control the East through colonialism, but now it is facing a rising Asia that could not be pinned in a familiar system that they used to know so neatly. Trumpism is a stress response to the fall of Eurocentrism.

But no matter whether it's China or India, no one is waiting for them to figure out what has been going on in the world order. China is neither afraid of a trade war, nor scared of America's deception.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d414e79416a4e78457a6333566d54/share_p.html

@Cybernetics , @Dungeness , @TANAHH , @Kiss_of_the_Dragon , @AndrewJin
Current CN officers admit US's sanction could trigger chaos (in 2023) like we predicted :cool:.
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China reportedly aims to tackle 'uncertainties' in employment with incentives to boost job creation
  • China will offer incentives aimed at encouraging firms to create and maintain jobs as it tries to head off "uncertainties" in employment, the official China Daily said on Thursday.
"No jobs means no wealth creation and possibly less social stability," the newspaper quoted Premier Li Keqiang as saying during a meeting of the State Council on Wednesday.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/as-t...oks-confident-china-not-so-much.565875/page-3
 
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China should not be intimidated by the US. China should stop talking and REASONING with the US and channel all its efforts to retaliate against the US. If they want to play dirty you should oblige and do the same. Talking in a conciliatory tones makes China looks really weak. It's time China pulls out all its trump cards to teach this evil (US) a lesson.

I agree. China has been (diplomatically) using a strong language, and it will get tougher I guess. The soft rhetoric is mostly geared toward the rest of the world. It is required to drive some wedges between US and its traditional allies.

Of course, the US may have to strong a hold on its close vassals.

Europoodles and Canadian Labrador dog has no balls.

In the end, they will suffer and this will likely open up the road for nationalist/hardliner governments.

Current CN officers admit US's sanction could trigger chaos (in 2023) like we predicted

China seems to be leading Asia in recovery. I do not know what Vietnam do if there were not a China, the anchor of stability and development in East Asia.

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China leads as Asia shares trade up in wake of new US tariffs

CGTN
2018-07-06

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Chinese mainland shares on Friday led a recovery in Asian stocks after Washington slapped tariffs on Chinese imports.

The recovery, from 9-month lows, was partly helped by the perception that the tariff measures were already priced in.

Many investors fear the US tariffs could be the start of a full-scale trade war between the world’s two largest economies.

Spread-betters forecast a rise of 0.5-0.6 percent when Britain’s FTSE, France’s CAC and Germany’s DAX open on Friday.

Some trepidation remains about what lay ahead.

“The China-US relationship is such a large component of global trade that we really have a global impact and that has implications that are difficult to foresee,” said Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asia economic research at HSBC in Hong Kong.

But he also said he was “fairly relaxed” about the tariffs and trade dispute.

“It’s a drag on growth. I don’t think it’s as disruptive as often described,” Neuman said. “China’s position is strong enough to avoid a hard landing in the current scenario.”

MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan, which dropped 0.5 percent early in the day, had gained 0.6 percent by mid-afternoon.

The Shanghai Composite index was up 0.4 percent. In the morning, it fell 1.6 percent to 2,691, within sight of a January 2016 low of 2,638, then later it was more than 1 percent up.

Japan’s Nikkei stock index rose 1.1 percent, recovering from Thursday’s three-month low.

The US tariffs on more than 800 goods from China worth 34 billion US dollars took effect at 0401 GMT but its quiet start prompted short-covering by those who had feared for fresh retaliatory measures.

Many economists say the direct impact of the tariffs would be contained, given the current strength of the global economy, but investors remained wary.

Copper, seen as a barometer of the world’s economic strength because of its wide industrial use, on Friday fell to near a one-year low, at 6,221.50 US dollars per ton, then bounced back to 6,330 US dollars.

In the currency market, the yuan stood flat after choppy trade, keeping some distance from its 11-month lows touched earlier this week.

The renminbi traded at 6.6534 per dollar down 0.25 percent on the day, compared to Tuesday’s low of 6.7204.

The dollar was little changed against the yen at 110.67 while the single currency was down a hair on the day at 1.1685 US dollars.

US payroll and wage data due later on Friday was the next focus for traders.

The minutes from the US Federal Reserve’s last policy meeting on June 12-13 showed policymakers discussed whether recession lurked around the corner, and expressed concerns global trade tensions could hit an economy that by most measures looked strong.

The yield on benchmark 10-year Treasury notes was at 2.841 percent, compared with a US close of 2.840 percent.

The two-year yield, which rises with traders’ expectations of higher Fed fund rates, was at 2.553 percent compared with a US close of 2.561 percent.

Oil prices remained well-bid after initial falls following US government data showing an unexpected jump in crude oil stockpiles.

Tensions between the US and Iran continued to rise as the US Navy said it stood ready to ensure free navigation and the flow of commerce, after Iran’s Revolutionary Guards threatened to block oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz.

US crude stood 0.4 percent higher at 73.19 US dollars a barrel. Brent crude was almost flat at 77.42 US dollars per barrel.
 
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Their interest is helping US instead of their own country. Just like Modi.

let us agree to differ on this point . i don't like modi ,but i can not distrust his patriotism .
 
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China should not be intimidated by the US. China should stop talking and REASONING with the US and channel all its efforts to retaliate against the US. If they want to play dirty you should oblige and do the same. Talking in a conciliatory tones makes China looks really weak. It's time China pulls out all its trump cards to teach this evil (US) a lesson.

Please spare us the rhetoric and state specifics on how China will teach "US a lesson."

Europoodles and Canadian Labrador dog has no balls.

Because EU and Canada have the same trade issues with China as US.

Current CN officers admit US's sanction could trigger chaos (in 2023) like we predicted :cool:.
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China reportedly aims to tackle 'uncertainties' in employment with incentives to boost job creation
  • China will offer incentives aimed at encouraging firms to create and maintain jobs as it tries to head off "uncertainties" in employment, the official China Daily said on Thursday.
"No jobs means no wealth creation and possibly less social stability," the newspaper quoted Premier Li Keqiang as saying during a meeting of the State Council on Wednesday.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/as-t...oks-confident-china-not-so-much.565875/page-3

If exports disappear so will jobs linked to it. But the biggest threat to Chinese workers is AI. How soon before we are all replaced by machines?
 
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Please spare us the rhetoric and state specifics on how China will teach "US a lesson."



Because EU and Canada have the same trade issues with China as US.



If exports disappear so will jobs linked to it. But the biggest threat to Chinese workers is AI. How soon before we are all replaced by machines?[/QUOTE]

Efficiency and progress always lead to new industries to employ people. I would worry more about India and its lag in global competitiveness. The demographic dividend looks to lead to nothing more than idle young men and women with nothing to do and too unskilled to attain any kind of meaningful employment.

Even Ethiopia is getting their act together to become a manufacturing hub while India is going to struggle against Vietnam and south east Asia. If I was president Modi I would be in constant facepalm.
 
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Efficiency and progress always lead to new industries to employ people. I would worry more about India and its lag in global competitiveness. The demographic dividend looks to lead to nothing more than idle young men and women with nothing to do and too unskilled to attain any kind of meaningful employment.

Even Ethiopia is getting their act together to become a manufacturing hub while India is going to struggle against Vietnam and south east Asia. If I was president Modi I would be in constant facepalm.

we will concentrate on points raised by you .
 
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China seems to be leading Asia in recovery. I do not know what Vietnam do if there were not a China, the anchor of stability and development in East Asia.

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China leads as Asia shares trade up in wake of new US tariffs

CGTN
2018-07-06

74519f366775448c9cd44368377977ec.jpg

Chinese mainland shares on Friday led a recovery in Asian stocks after Washington slapped tariffs on Chinese imports.

The recovery, from 9-month lows, was partly helped by the perception that the tariff measures were already priced in.

Many investors fear the US tariffs could be the start of a full-scale trade war between the world’s two largest economies.

Spread-betters forecast a rise of 0.5-0.6 percent when Britain’s FTSE, France’s CAC and Germany’s DAX open on Friday.

Some trepidation remains about what lay ahead.

“The China-US relationship is such a large component of global trade that we really have a global impact and that has implications that are difficult to foresee,” said Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asia economic research at HSBC in Hong Kong.

But he also said he was “fairly relaxed” about the tariffs and trade dispute.

“It’s a drag on growth. I don’t think it’s as disruptive as often described,” Neuman said. “China’s position is strong enough to avoid a hard landing in the current scenario.”

MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan, which dropped 0.5 percent early in the day, had gained 0.6 percent by mid-afternoon.

The Shanghai Composite index was up 0.4 percent. In the morning, it fell 1.6 percent to 2,691, within sight of a January 2016 low of 2,638, then later it was more than 1 percent up.

Japan’s Nikkei stock index rose 1.1 percent, recovering from Thursday’s three-month low.

The US tariffs on more than 800 goods from China worth 34 billion US dollars took effect at 0401 GMT but its quiet start prompted short-covering by those who had feared for fresh retaliatory measures.

Many economists say the direct impact of the tariffs would be contained, given the current strength of the global economy, but investors remained wary.

Copper, seen as a barometer of the world’s economic strength because of its wide industrial use, on Friday fell to near a one-year low, at 6,221.50 US dollars per ton, then bounced back to 6,330 US dollars.

In the currency market, the yuan stood flat after choppy trade, keeping some distance from its 11-month lows touched earlier this week.

The renminbi traded at 6.6534 per dollar down 0.25 percent on the day, compared to Tuesday’s low of 6.7204.

The dollar was little changed against the yen at 110.67 while the single currency was down a hair on the day at 1.1685 US dollars.

US payroll and wage data due later on Friday was the next focus for traders.

The minutes from the US Federal Reserve’s last policy meeting on June 12-13 showed policymakers discussed whether recession lurked around the corner, and expressed concerns global trade tensions could hit an economy that by most measures looked strong.

The yield on benchmark 10-year Treasury notes was at 2.841 percent, compared with a US close of 2.840 percent.

The two-year yield, which rises with traders’ expectations of higher Fed fund rates, was at 2.553 percent compared with a US close of 2.561 percent.

Oil prices remained well-bid after initial falls following US government data showing an unexpected jump in crude oil stockpiles.

Tensions between the US and Iran continued to rise as the US Navy said it stood ready to ensure free navigation and the flow of commerce, after Iran’s Revolutionary Guards threatened to block oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz.

US crude stood 0.4 percent higher at 73.19 US dollars a barrel. Brent crude was almost flat at 77.42 US dollars per barrel.
Thats why I said CN chaos is in 2023, not now. CCP still can pour money to save its stock market and will run out of money, cant save CN economy anymore in 2023:cool:

If exports disappear so will jobs linked to it. But the biggest threat to Chinese workers is AI. How soon before we are all replaced by machines?
CNese workers will get pension when replaced by AI, machine (AI, machine help CN to make money). But in this case, even AI, machine also can not help CN to mek money cos Trump slap hard sanction plus TPP dont buy CN products.

SO, CNese workers will get NO pension. No jobs, no food, Nothing but starving in dirty trash bin again and they will have no choice but start uprising in 2023.
 
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The problem with the trade war now is that not only does it make U.S. exports more expensive to the rest of the world it makes imports more expensive for U.S. consumers. In the long run it will make U.S. consumers poorer and possibly diminish U.S. exports to a great deal making American corporations vulnerable.
 
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The problem with the trade war now is that not only does it make U.S. exports more expensive to the rest of the world it makes imports more expensive for U.S. consumers. In the long run it will make U.S. consumers poorer and possibly diminish U.S. exports to a great deal making American corporations vulnerable.
US can rejoin TPP and buy VN's products instead.

pls note that all TPP nations supporting VN to become TPP manufacturing hub now :cool:
 
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US can rejoin TPP and buy VN's products instead.

pls note that all TPP nations supporting VN to become TPP manufacturing hub now :cool:

The US cannot be reasoned with, my friend. They will not join anything unless you voluntarily give up on your national interests.

The US regime is turning fascist. And, if you are a Communist, you will now what fascism is:

Fascism:

•Does not believe in reason
•Does not believe in human equality
•Its code of behavior is based on lies, deception, and violence
•Irrationalism
•Hero worship and elitism
•Opposition to international law and order

Now, do you still honestly think you can reason with the US?
 
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