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Opinion: Kashmir cause is finally dead

Um....no.

Whilst the Burzoham civilisation was reported to have the same skeletal structure of those in the Indus valley civilization, it is not reported that any direct link can be made between the Burzoham civilisation and Indus, apart from their presence as an Indo-Aryan Genus.

At the same time, a vast majority of Kashmiri ethnicity genetically differs from that of the rest of Pakistan- an example being that a good portion of the people there have fairer skin on average that the rest of Pakistan and also have a wide range of eye colours, from blue to grey to green. All of which is not as prevalent in the rest of Pakistan and Indus-originated ethnicities.



I have travelled all over Pakistan and have seen Pakistani-Punjabis with coloured eyes and fair skin. Kashmiris on average are fairer than Pakistani Punjabis but not as fair as Pakistani Pathans who are more light-skinned than Kashmiris and with a wider range of coloured eyes. Pakistani Pathans are almost 40% of Pakistan's population.
 
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When the hell did I claim to be turk or arab lmao

Don't group me with your dumbass stereotypes, I'm someone who takes pride in my own ethnicity without having to simp for Arabs or Turks

Your constant quoting of Facebook sources is tiresome and exposes the fact that you failed to read mine.

Take a read buddy


Those “Facebook” links I’m sharing are the photos, all of which are sourced to peer reviewed studies. That’s my Facebook page by the way.

Also, Shakun Harris‘s medium page isn’t saying anything different than what I’m saying.

Not sure why your panties get in a twist when I say Kashmiris share a similar genealogy with Punjabis and SIndhis.

Since Medium is a reliable source, here’s ArianGang with his take on the Genetic Map of Pakistan.


I have travelled all over Pakistan and have seen Pakistani-Punjabis with coloured eyes and fair skin. Kashmiris on average are fairer than Pakistani Punjabis but not as fair as Pakistani Pathans who are more light-skinned than Kashmiris and with a wider range of coloured eyes. Pakistani Pathans are almost 40% of Pakistan's population.

Don’t even bother replying to that clown. The fact he can’t differentiate phenotype from genotype is absolutely hilarious. Let him believe the Kashmiris are a isolated group of people who popped out of thin air.

:D
 
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Those “Facebook” links I’m sharing are the photos, all of which are sourced to peer reviewed studies. That’s my Facebook page by the way.
Alright fair enough
Also, Shakun Harris‘s medium page isn’t saying anything different than what I’m saying.

Not sure why your panties get in a twist when I say Kashmiris share a similar genealogy with Punjabis and SIndhis.
My bad, I was misinformed
Since Medium is a reliable source, here’s ArianGang with his take on the Genetic Map of Pakistan.




. Let him believe the Kashmiris are a isolated group of people who popped out of thin air.
Never said that either, but ok.
 
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India Bans Ghaznavi Force, the Jammu and Kashmir-based Terrorist Group​

Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 21 Issue: 7​

By: Animesh Roul

March 31, 2023 05:11 PM Age: 1 week

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Jammu and Kashmir Ghaznavi Force (JKGF) militants via The Kashmir Walla
On February 17, the Indian government banned the Kashmir-centric Islamic militant group called the Jammu and Kashmir Ghaznavi Force (JKGF) (egazette.nic.in, February 17). A relatively new entrant in the Kashmir landscape, JKGF emerged as a hybrid strike unit comprised of highly trained cadres of Pakistan-based Tehreek-ul-Mujahideen (TuM), Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), and Jaish-e-Muhammed (JeM).
JKGF is also believed to have cooperated with various militant groups, such as al-Badr, Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) and al-Qaeda-linked Ansar Ghazwatul Hind (AGH) (Zee News, February 13, 2020). The group is assumed to be named after senior Hizbul commander Yasin Itoo, whose nom de guerre was Ghaznavi and who was killed in August 2017 during an encounter in Shopian. It is also possible that the group is named after Muslim ruler Mahmud of Ghazni (Afghanistan), who was notorious for invading India several times in the 11th century and is often eulogized by the Taliban and other Islamic militant groups in the Indian subcontinent.
Emergence and Initial Operations
The emergence of JKGF in February 2020 coincided with the first anniversary of the deadly Pulwama terror attacks in February 2019. These attacks claimed the lives of 40 paramilitary force personnel and were carried out by Pakistan-based JeM (India Today, Februrary14). Intelligence agencies report that the newly created JKGF might conduct Pulwama-style suicide attacks in Kashmir again. Expected targets include security convoys, government establishments, and security installations. Besides reinvigorating militancy in Kashmir, JKGF has trafficked arms and drugs, as well as facilitated the infiltration of militants from Pakistan. It has also executed a series of grenade attacks against security forces in Kashmir in the past few years, and has utilized social media platforms such as Twitter, Telegram, and Facebook for propaganda and recruitment. These generally exhort young Muslims to fight against India (Kashmir vision, February 17).
The JKGF grenade attacks were mainly in Ramban, Jammu, and Poonch districts, and targeted police and paramilitary forces—the standard targets for this type of attack for JKGF. Between August and December 2022, a series of grenade attacks were claimed by JKGF. In September, however, four JKGF operatives, including the mastermind in grenade attack cases, Shoket Ali Laiwal, were arrested with live grenades (Greater Kashmir, September 3, 2022). On December 6, 2022, JKGF took credit for another grenade attack that occurred near a police station in the Sidhra area of the Jammu district (Twitter/@TracTerrorism, December 7, 2022). However, since the arrest of Laiwal, the frequency of grenade attacks targeting security posts has decreased in Jammu and Kashmir.
Nearly one year prior to Shoket Ali Laiwal’s arrest, JKGF achieved a major operational success in mid-October 2021, when it carried out massive ambush attacks against the security forces in Mendhar and Surankote areas of Poonch district. At least seven armed forces personnel and police were killed (UNI News, October 12, 2021; The Quint, October 15, 2021). JKGF suffered heavy casualties during the gun battle, however. The group also attempted to target Hindu religious places in Poonch district with improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and grenades to instill fear among the Hindu minority there (Indian Express, January 12, 2021; Tribune, December 28, 2020).
In addition, following JKGF’s ban on February 17, the Special Investigation Unit (SIU) of Jammu and Kashmir initiated crackdowns on JKGF’s network and sympathizers to curtail its ability to generate revenue and conduct underground activities. The territorial administrations of Jammu and Kashmir attacked the property of JKGF operative Abdul Majid Lone, who was arrested earlier for targeting a police post in the Ind area of the Gool subdivision in August 2022. His house, it was discovered, had been a haven for JKGF terrorists (Kashmir Reader, February 25). These setbacks cut off one of JKGF’s lifelines in Kashmir, limiting its operational capabilities.
Key Figures, Expanding Networks, and Propaganda
India’s anti-terror organization, the National Investigation Agency (NIA), established that JKGF spread from Pakistan to the Gulf Nations in 2021 after the arrests of Sher Ali and Shaheed Naveed at Jammu airport. Both were deported from the UAE and arrested in February and April 2021, respectively. According to the NIA, Sher Ali and Shaheed Naveed worked in Kuwait and remained in touch with a Pakistan-based terror handler named Rafiq Nai (alias Sultan), who facilitated arms, ammunition, explosives, and narcotics trafficking from the Line of Control—that is, the interior areas of Poonch in Kashmir (Daily Excelsior, April 09, 2021; NIA, March 16, 2021). Rafiq Nai, a founding commander of JKGF, and Zafar Iqbal (alias Shamsheer) were also operating from Pakistan and facilitating infiltration of highly trained militants into Indian territory; they were designated terrorists by India in October 2022 (Business Standard, October 5, 2022).
The group’s propaganda posters in Urdu, which included messages threatening security forces, first appeared in Kashmir in February 2020, and were shared through social media. The spokesman of JKGF, Aurangzeb Ghaznavi, then issued an audio message in April 2020 to declare the group’s presence in Kashmir. The motive behind the group’s formation and future violent campaign was explained by Ghaznavi himself, who vowed to fight against Indian occupation and the Indian government’s strategy to change the demography of Jammu and Kashmir. He further berated organizations such as Hindu nationalist paramilitary volunteer organization, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Bajrang Dal, and Viswa Hindu Parishad, for conspiring to make Kashmir a Muslim-minority state (Twitter/NatSecJeff, May 1, 2020).
Later, on May 25, 2020, JKGF regional commander Umar Wani released another audio message about jihad and criticized the the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which currently leads India’s government. Wani urged local Kashmir youths to join the jihad and paid tribute to slain militant leaders affiliated with Hizbul Mujahedeen, AGH, and JKGF, such as Riyaz Naiko, Junaid Sehri, and Burhan Majid Koka (Twitter/@Metal_falconn, May 25, 2020). Again in July 2020, JKGF issued a statement eulogizing slain Hizbul Mujahedeen militant Burhan Wani on the anniversary of his death and called for Kashmiri youths to fight against Indian government forces. The group also carried out a poster campaign in Kashmir on the observance of “Black Day” on October 26, 2022, which marks the accession of Kashmir to India in 1947 (Times of India, October 28, 2022).
Conclusion
JKGF has become the 43rd terrorist entity to be outlawed by the Indian government. Despite this, India has been struggling to curtail the growth of hybrid and proxy militant groups in Kashmir over the years, such as JKGF, People’s Anti-Fascist Front (PAFF), The Resistance Front (TRF) and the Kashmir Tigers (KT). The latest proscription and designation is intended to disrupt JKGF’s operations and restrict its ability to stage attacks or further recruit in Kashmir. However, the banning could contribute to the emergence of yet another group through rebranding, splintering, or co-option of other militant groups, which will make the situation more complex and challenging for Indian authorities.


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No, there are many neutral surveys and opinions available.

There is no need to choose Pakistan or even India if the people of Gilgit and Baltistan have the option of creating a newly independent nation with Indian Kashmir and Ladakh.

You accept or don't, but people of both Kashmir states including GB—the majority of people—don't want to live in India or Pakistan.
There are no independant surveys just guess work. My response is based on first hand experiance with GB folks. They don't consider themselves Kashmiris.
They have been demanding representation in Pakistan's national assembly for ages which resulted in 2009 GBLA.
Elsewhere it's either Pakistan or Independence.
 
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No, there are many neutral surveys and opinions available.

There is no need to choose Pakistan or even India if the people of Gilgit and Baltistan have the option of creating a newly independent nation with Indian Kashmir and Ladakh.

You accept or don't, but people of both Kashmir states including GB—the majority of people—don't want to live in India or Pakistan.



So let there be a vote to decide that.
 
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There are no independant surveys just guess work. My response is based on first hand experiance with GB folks. They don't consider themselves Kashmiris.
They have been demanding representation in Pakistan's national assembly for ages which resulted in 2009 GBLA.
Elsewhere it's either Pakistan or Independence.
It is the same case when we say people of Jammu and ladakh, don't consider them Kashmiri......... Ladakhi and people of jammu are happy now after 2019 and such division of state.

But reality is whatever pak government and indian government do GB, ladakh, and jammu are part of jammu and Kashmir as per the UN and UN resolution.

Only said, if the option will given then all these people of GB, Pak kashmir and Indian part of j& k will choice only independent country....

So let their be a vote to decide that.
And you think that Pakistan government will allow option to choose a independent state.... You are so innocent.
 
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Kashmiri want to be part of Pakistan

Then a small minority want to be independent (pie in the sky dreams)


No kashmiri worthy of the name especially a Muslim wants to be part of India, internet is available and they can see the toxic shit going on inside india




India is a utter communal shithole

Indian Muslims across India are waking up and you think a Muslim majority Kashmir that hates Hindus as much as we do is asleep?
Uptill last few years whatever few kashmiri I met would always have that position with few exceptions from people of Jammu (not Kashmir)

But recently the trend is completely changed..I mean they now think Pakistan is north Korea where Kim can do whatever he wants and they did a lot of bad to bengaldeshis and now again against the minority provinces..

In other words what RAW was trying to do for years(as modi stating Pakistan can't handle balochistan etc etc) PTI has achieved so quickly

Hence the army is rightly angered..they lost fifth gen war in a year
 
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Cowardice
How come Indians are doing terrorism freely in Pakistan without fear of full fledged war?
Indians sensed a coward Pakistan so their making it bleed on every front.
Pakistan had and still has the opportunity to make Indians bleed in Kashmir or india in general.
I understand not wanting a nuclear war. I understand keeping a limit on insurgents. But how Pakistan treats Kashmiri mujahideen even india doesn’t even treat them like that. And this is gonna cause Pakistan heavily. The new wave of resistance in Kashmir will be independent. They just need to short their logistic issues and that’s all. Once that happens Pakistan will face the threat of war with india and be hated by Kashmiris.
For every excuse you guys think about for your abandonment of Kashmir, there’s a valid refutation of your excuse.
You guys are blinded and don't see the reality , Pakistan mihht or can do in India but you guys don't want to believe india can do the same in return and Ina bleeding war the smaller one will drain out first.
 
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And you think that Pakistan government will allow option to choose a independent state.... You are so innocent.

Yeah as if the Indian fascist government would allow that option. You pretend United Nations Security Council Resolutions 47 and 80 don’t even exist.

Forget options on a plebiscite. First accept a plebiscite then huff.

But recently the trend is completely changed..I mean they now think Pakistan is north Korea where Kim can do whatever he wants and they did a lot of bad to bengaldeshis and now again against the minority provinces..

How is Pakistan any different from North Korea, other than being closed off from the world and being led by a meglamaniac?

  1. The military in both countries decide foreign policy and governance. The ouster of Imran Khan is a perfect example of that….as was the humiliation of Fatima Jinnah and the denial of Mujib to form a government.
  2. The military in both countries operate separate economies from the official economy.
  3. East Bengal debacle of 1971 would have been averted had Mujib been given the right to govern - then none of that violence would have begun.
  4. Cutting Punjab down to size (three new provinces, Seraikistan, Potohar and Punjab) was already proposed in order to make the federation more equitable - guess who opposed it?
I don’t know why you have such a hard time calling out the elephant in the room.
 
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It is the same case when we say people of Jammu and ladakh, don't consider them Kashmiri......... Ladakhi and people of jammu are happy now after 2019 and such division of state.

But reality is whatever pak government and indian government do GB, ladakh, and jammu are part of jammu and Kashmir as per the UN and UN resolution.

Only said, if the option will given then all these people of GB, Pak kashmir and Indian part of j& k will choice only independent country....


And you think that Pakistan government will allow option to choose a independent state.... You are so innocent.

Pakistan government would. They are very flexible and care free. indian government wouldn't due to the massive amount of land india lost in 1947 and because it would set a precedence for other indian states to declare independence.
 
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we are here for the long haul......... :azn:
Pakistan and long haul is an oxymoron.

1965: Pakistan tried to take Kashmir, couldn't finish the job, ended up defending Lahore.

1980s: Supported Khalistan militancy but couldn't finish the job.

1990s: Supported Kashmir militancy but couldn't finish the job.

2019 & 2020s: Couldn't anticipate many of India's moves like abrogation of article 370 and agnipath scheme.
 
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Opinions of people of valley will continue to change as the gap between India and Pakistan will continue to increase in India's favour i.e. earlier there used to be complaints of "Internet shutdown in valley" now it has 5G connectivity which is not available anywhere else in the sub-continent except maybe Bhutan, or how the new metro rail system is being built in Srinagar and Jammu both of which are bigger in scale than the only Metro which Pakistan has, or the institutions which are being built in J&K or even the economic opportunities which India has to offer both inside the UT and outside it over its neighbour.
 
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Pakistan and long haul is an oxymoron.

1965: Pakistan tried to take Kashmir, couldn't finish the job, ended up defending Lahore.

1980s: Supported Khalistan militancy but couldn't finish the job.

1990s: Supported Kashmir militancy but couldn't finish the job.

2019 & 2020s: Couldn't anticipate many of India's moves like abrogation of article 370 and agnipath scheme.

What are you going on about? Like all indians you declare your personal opinions and meaningless conjectures as facts. Do you have ANY credible evidence to support your above claims? You need to stop listening to the indian media as has proven to be the biggest FAKE NEWS and propaganda factory in the world:



PS Be it decades or centuries, oppression never lasts.......... :azn:............long haul can't be determined by the whims of personal opinions.........:azn:

Opinions of people of valley will continue to change as the gap between India and Pakistan will continue to increase in India's favour i.e. earlier there used to be complaints of "Internet shutdown in valley" now it has 5G connectivity which is not available anywhere else in the sub-continent except maybe Bhutan, or how the new metro rail system is being built in Srinagar and Jammu both of which are bigger in scale than the only Metro which Pakistan has, or the institutions which are being built in J&K or even the economic opportunities which India has to offer both inside the UT and outside it over its neighbour.

Can you provide the genuine evidence to confirm that the Srinigar Jammu metro is bigger than that of Lahore and the ones that will be built as a part of the CPEC initiative in the coming years or decades?

Over half of indian children born are underweight and malnourished. That is more than the population of Pakistan. Is that what occupied Kashmiris want?:

 
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Pakistan government would. They are very flexible and care free. indian government wouldn't due to the massive amount of land india lost in 1947 and because it would set a precedence for other indian states to declare independence.
India's did not lose in 1947, but thanks to Pakistani decesion to send the armed people in Kashmir, India got the Kashmir parts.

Otherwise, people of Jammu and Kashmir choosen to be a independent state. And might today, Jammu and Kashmir would be a independent state... But sadly that attacked change everything.
 
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