OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

[ProudThamizhan]

The board of directors for largr multinational corps. For smaller companies they hire incompetent Indians at their own risk to cut down costs.

board runs large companies? you obviously do not know.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

@RiazHaq - where has Sam Altman said "India's AI startup potential" is hopeless? Even in the piece you quoted he has said 'training the foundation model is hopeless'. The two mean completely different things.

You are likely a wanton liar or just incredibly dumb...or both

 

[delta2]

The CEO runs the company on a day to day basis and is expected to drive strategy. In a lot of cases CEO is the chairman of the board of directors. Satya Nadella is the chairman of the Board. In almost all cases they are on the board themselves. The Board is there for strategic reasons - to advise, to manage and to control/fire the CEO.

To say Pakistani do not want to be CEOs of American Fortune 500 companies is sour grapes. Because tens of thousands of Pakistanis work for these companies

More Chinese and Eastern European and local Americans work for these companies than Pakistanis. You think Indians are better than Chinese or Pols somehow? And you also think those Chinese and European "expatriats" don't want to be CEOSs? Making someone a CEO is almost always a political driven decision. The AngloSaxons and the Zionists control the capital in the USA and they decide and choose the person to favor.

There is no way an Indian is a better problem solver than a Chinese or a Slavic person.

board runs large companies? you obviously do not know.

The board sits there to make sure the person they hired is ensuring proper returns or he or she is removed. That is working from 6am to 9pm so they can wake up at at 10am.

You think the boards do nothing? You obviously do not know

 

[ProudThamizhan]

More Chinese and Eastern European and local Americans work for these companies than Pakistanis. You think Indians are better than Chinese or Pols somehow? And you also think those Chinese and European "expatriats" don't want to be CEOSs? Making someone a CEO is almost always a political driven decision. The AngloSaxons and the Zionists control the capital in the USA and they decide and choose the person to favor.

There is no way an Indian is a better problem solver than a Chinese or a Slavic person.

With China providing your food these days, your loyalty to them is understandable. In fact I am surprised you show such loyalty because usually you goys bite that hands that feed you.

Coming back, sure Indians can be much better than Chinese or Slavic - it all depends on which Indian, which Chinese and which Slavic person. To save you a lot of further embarrassment, here is the secret. There is no national problem solving average index.

 

[delta2]

With China providing your food these days, your loyalty to them is understandable. In fact I am surprised you show such loyalty because usually you goys bite that hands that feed you.

Coming back, sure Indians can be much better than Chinese or Slavic - it all depends on which Indian, which Chinese and which Slavic person. To save you a lot of further embarrassment, here is the secret. There is no national problem solving average index.

Lol China imports its own grain from Brazil and other countries.

Lol yeah that is why Slavics are buying kits from India and repainting Indian made missiles and rocket engines!

Actually, the GINI index tells you a LOT about a country and a nation. Coupled that with IQ trends and you have a very clear picture about a society.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

The board sits there to make sure the person they hired is ensuring proper returns or he or she is removed. That is working from 6am to 9pm so they can wake up at at 10am.

You think the boards do nothing? You obviously do not know

you said the board runs the company. So now you want to change what you said to something else? ok. Keep trying, do read up. INSEAD has a good program for training people who wish for board roles. Look that up, don't just come and make up things on topics you know nothing about

 

[nahtanbob]

More Chinese and Eastern European and local Americans work for these companies than Pakistanis. You think Indians are better than Chinese or Pols somehow? And you also think those Chinese and European "expatriats" don't want to be CEOSs? Making someone a CEO is almost always a political driven decision. The AngloSaxons and the Zionists control the capital in the USA and they decide and choose the person to favor.

There is no way an Indian is a better problem solver than a Chinese or a Slavic person.

Boards are there to make sure corporations make money. I would not expect you to know that given your piss poor record on running companies in Pakistan

 

[RiazHaq]

@RiazHaq - where has Sam Altman said "India's AI startup potential" is hopeless? Even in the piece you quoted he has said 'training the foundation model is hopeless'. The two mean completely different things.

You are likely a wanton liar or just incredibly dumb...or both

There's no Generative AI without training! Algorithms are useless unless trained on real data!! Anyone who doesn't understand this simple fact is "a wanton liar or just incredibly dumb...or both".

 

[ProudThamizhan]

There's no Generative AI without training! Algorithms are useless unless trained on real data!! Anyone who doesn't understand this simple fact is "a wanton liar or just incredibly dumb...or both".

So it is both - a lie and dumbitude ! I’ll try in simpler terms .

He said don’t bother training all over again for your LLM , as we’ve already done it. And the Indians said sure they’ll take up that training challenge anyway.

What you wrote (this is where your wanton lie comes in) is “Indian Ai startup have no potential’. See the difference ?

Next : generative Ai is the lesser of Ai. But that’s probably too much for you.

 

[surmabhopali]

Having brains or talent is not exclusive to India as a country.

That is an idiotic belief and suits only people of uneducated mindsets.

India also contains "tech institutions" like these,

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They are giving employment to 4 crore illegal immigrant muslim bangladeshis and rohangiya .

 

[delta2]

you said the board runs the company. So now you want to change what you said to something else? ok. Keep trying, do read up. INSEAD has a good program for training people who wish for board roles. Look that up, don't just come and make up things on topics you know nothing about

Learn to read.

Board sits around to ensure the CEO is not failing in his job. At the first sign of trouble he or she is removed and replaced.

 

[ProudThamizhan]

Learn to read.

Board sits around to ensure the CEO is not failing in his job. At the first sign of trouble he or she is removed and replaced.

I've already told you you have no idea what you are talking about. Not wasting anymore time on you on this topic.

 

[delta2]

Boards are there to make sure corporations make money. I would not expect you to know that given your piss poor record on running companies in Pakistan

Lol the world came to know about the Hindu Rate of Growth. Pakistan always excelled economically compared to India. You folk came to know money only about 25 years ago when the USA decided to outsource and invest in the Indian economy hoping to find a clutch against China.

Literally EVERY SINGLE company an Indian became the CEO off went into dust.

Pakistanis do corruptio and steal money, you Bharatis on the other hand are inherently incompetent.

I've already told you you have no idea what you are talking about. Not wasting anymore time on you on this topic.

Lol look who's talking.

 

[nahtanbob]

Board sits around to ensure the CEO is not failing in his job. At the first sign of trouble he or she is removed and replaced.

Tell us how many of those Indian CEOs were removed for failing in their jobs

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[TigerOfMysore]

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell ...

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Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell you, it's totally hopeless to compete with us on training foundation models you shouldn't try, and it's your job to like try anyway. And I believe both of those things. I think it is pretty hopeless." This occurred at an event organized by The Economic Times where Altman answered a question by Rajan Anandan, a former Vice President of Google in India and South East Asia and current venture capitalist.

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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman in India

Altman in Delhi:

Sam Altman, the young CEO of OpenAI, the company that recently launched its revolutionary Generative AI app ChatGPT, was in India as part of a six-nation tour to discuss AI regulation. ChatGPT has been trained on massive amounts of data and text from the internet and academic journals. It can write computer code and carry on sophisticated conversations on a lot of different subjects. Altman is also visiting China. He was invited to speak at an event sponsored by Indian publication Economic Times. Here's the full exchange between Anandan and Altman about the potential for an Indian AI startup:

Anandan: "Sam, we have got a very vibrant ecosystem in India but specifically focussing on AI, are there spaces where you see a startup from India building foundational (AI) models; how should we think about that. Where is it that a team from India, with three super-smart engineers having not 100, but USD 10 million each could actually build something truly substantial?"

Altman: "The way this works is, we're going to tell you. It's totally hopeless to compete with us on training foundation models. You shouldn't try, and it's your job to like trying anyway. And I believe both of those things. I think it is pretty hopeless."

Challenge Accepted:

Judging by social media responses, most Indians reacted angrily to Altman's negative remarks. They accused him of "arrogance". Others saw his statement as a challenge and responded by accepting the challenge.

Tech Mahindra CEO CP Gurnani said he accepts the challenge. “OpenAI founder Sam Altman said it's pretty hopeless for Indian companies to try and compete with them. Dear Sam Altman, from one CEO to another...CHALLENGE ACCEPTED,” tweeted Gurnani.

India's Tech Industry:

Americans like Sam Altman know that India's tech industry is made up mainly of companies that are essentially body shops. These companies like Infosys, TCS and others supply Indian H1B workers to perform routine tasks in IT operations departments of western companies. These companies' revenue, labeled India's "IT exports", comes from the substantial cuts they keep from the wages of millions of Indian H1B workers. These workers replace higher-paid American employees. Rapid developments in AI technology are now threatening such jobs.

In 2016, India filed a complaint with the World Trade Organization (WTO) when the US raised visa fees to $4000 for each H1B worker visa. Indian government argued that it is discriminatory to the country under its trade agreement with the US.

Indian startups are not based on any original ideas born in India. They are essentially copies of similar e-commerce or logistics or payments startups in the western world.

Altman in China:

Altman is also visiting China this week. “China has some of the best AI talent in the world and fundamentally, given the difficulties in solving alignment for advanced AI systems, this requires the best minds from around the world,” Altman told participants at the event hosted by the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence.

Western Media:

Indians were justifiably very proud of their great scientific achievement when the India Space Agency ISRO successfully launched the nation's Mars Mission back in 2013. The New York Times, America's leading newspaper, mocked India with a cartoon depicting the country as a dhoti-wearing farmer with his cow knocking on the door of the Elite Space Club.

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New York Times Cartoon ​ Der Spiegel's Cartoon Comparing India and China

In an article titled "Paper Elephant", the Economist magazine talked about how India has ramped up its military spending and emerged as the world's largest arms importer. "Its military doctrine envisages fighting simultaneous land wars against Pakistan and China while retaining dominance in the Indian Ocean", the article said. It summed up the situation as follows: "India spends a fortune on defense and gets poor value for money".

After the India-Pakistan aerial combat over Kashmir, New York Times published a story from its South Asia correspondent headlined: "After India Loses Dogfight to Pakistan, Questions Arise About Its Military". Here are some excerpts of the report:

"Its (India's) loss of a plane last week to a country (Pakistan) whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter (a sixth according to SIPRI) of the funding is telling. ...India’s armed forces are in alarming shape....It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check".

Der Spiegel Cartoon:

In April this year, German publication Der Spiegel published a cartoon as India surpassed China as the world's most populous nation. The cartoon poked fun at India's lack of progress relative to its northern neighbor. It shows jubilant Indians on an old and overcrowded train – many on the roof – as it overtakes a sleek Chinese bullet train.

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German Cartoon Comparing China and India. Source: Der Spiegel

Spanish Newspaper Cartoon:'

In May 2022, Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia published a story titled "La hora de la economia India" along with a cartoon showing an Indian snake charmer. Indian media reacted angrily to what they saw as a racist stereotype.

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Spanish Cartoon on Indian Economy. Source: La Vanguardia

US Disrespects India:

Notwithstanding the geopolitically-motivated public rhetoric of US presidents and other western leaders, the fact is that they do not respect India. "One hard truth that Indians have to contend with is that America has also had difficulty treating India with respect", writes former Singaporean diplomat Kishore Mahbubani in his latest book "Has China Won?". "If America wants to develop a close long-term relationship with India over the long run, it needs to confront the deep roots of its relative lack of respect for India", adds Ambassador Mahbubani. It's not just Mahbubani who suspects the United States leadership does not respect India. Others, including former President Bill Clinton, ex US President Donald Trump, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and CNN GPS host Fareed Zakaria have expressed similar sentiments.

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Source: @BeltandRoadDesk

Trump and Clinton:

There is some evidence to support Ambassador Mahbubani's assertion about America's lack of respect for India. For example, ex US President Bill Clinton said in 1990s that India has a Rodney Dangerfield problem: It can’t get no respect, according to his deputy secretary of state Strobe Talbott. In a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks in 2010, Hillary Clinton referred to India as "a self-appointed frontrunner for a permanent UN security council seat."

More recently, US President Donald Trump mocked Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi about Indian contribution to Afghanistan. Trump said he got along very well with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, but the Indian leader was "constantly telling me he built a library in Afghanistan". "That's like five hours of what we spend... And we are supposed to say, 'oh, thank you for the library'. I don't know who is using it in Afghanistan," Trump said.

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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says India's AI Startup Potential "Totally Hopeless"

Responding candidly to a question in the Indian capital New Delhi, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said: "The way this works is we're going to tell ...

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I don't believe this for one second.
India is strong in tech on all fronts. And with time is getting stronger and more indispensable to the global technology sector.
Only people outside of tech might think otherwise.