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Lack in Pilot and Captain..? are u mad.? :o: Who will buy more fighters without any pilot..?


In 2008 , the year we built our 1st frigate, u havent even built any even FAC yet..
building Destoryer..? LOL when and where..? build corvette first... Building destoryer is not like cargo ships what u built... :D


what the hell are u talking about..? :o: simply complicated..


yaj it is complicated. out of ur knowledge.
 
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barely USD $60B..!? our current gdp is USD $74B and next year will be USD $84B..

Whats more important is PPP anyway. Please quote those only from now on when comparing Myanmar to B;desh...and tag me if any Bangladeshi member whines about it not being the "nominal" figure. I will deal with them till they retreat with tail between legs.
 
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Whats more important is PPP anyway. Please quote those only from now on when comparing Myanmar to B;desh...and tag me if any Bangladeshi member whines about it not being the "nominal" figure. I will deal with them till they retreat with tail between legs.
Doesn't BD have a highr PPP than Burma?
 
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Oh they know this very well. We have a large gap over them when PPP per capita is figured. About a 40% gap. PPP is never scientific but it does suggest that the average Burmese consumes a lot more than the average bongo so that does point to a higher standard of living. We also have much higher literacy rates and infact they are higher than all of South Asia. We do lag on the life expectancy and healthcare side but we all know why. And they wonder why Rohingya Bengalis would ever want to cross over into Myanmar.



I just realised I didn't reply to this properly as I had meant to. When you want to make a per capita comparison, it's necessary to adjust for PPP to reflect actual consumption and once it is PPP adjusted our GDP p/c comes out to $5469 against $3607 for them.

http://tinyurl.com/zgbywrq

Actually that would make it a 60% gap. So we are not evenly matched at all.

Burma to me seems much more economically stable and bright prospect given its human capital fundamentals for manufacturing side on the back of its strong primary education coverage.

However secondary and tertiary education can be improved upon (according to many UNESCO studies)....where say the transition rate from primary to secondary is about 77% for Myanmar and around 90% for India and Bangladesh overall.

The enrolment rate for lower secondary (around 60%) is also somewhat lower in Myanmar compared to India (close to 90%) and Bangladesh (around 80%)

Enrolment for upper secondary is around 35% compared to 41% for Bangladesh and 55% for India.

(The figures use 2012 data).

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002322/232205e.pdf

So its not just quantity and prevalence of literates in the population (which is definitely very important and kudos to Myanmar for achieving good figures here from its excellent primary coverage + adult literacy programs stretching back many years - similar to a number of individual Indian states)....but also the quality and depth of its human capital from secondary and tertiary education (especially secondary for maximum impact in sectors that provide the most number of jobs) that will determine the sustainable long term momentum of any economy.

Always room for improvement somewhere in every developing country!
 
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Burma to me seems much more economically stable and bright prospect given its human capital fundamentals for manufacturing side on the back of its strong primary education coverage.

However secondary and tertiary education can be improved upon (according to many UNESCO studies)....where say the transition rate from primary to secondary is about 77% for Myanmar and around 90% for India and Bangladesh overall.

The enrolment rate for lower secondary (around 60%) is also somewhat lower in Myanmar compared to India (close to 90%) and Bangladesh (around 80%)

Enrolment for upper secondary is around 35% compared to 41% for Bangladesh and 55% for India.

(The figures use 2012 data).

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002322/232205e.pdf

So its not just quantity and prevalence of literates in the population (which is definitely very important and kudos to Myanmar for achieving good figures here from its excellent primary coverage + adult literacy programs stretching back many years - similar to a number of individual Indian states)....but also the quality and depth of its human capital from secondary and tertiary education (especially secondary for maximum impact in sectors that provide the most number of jobs) that will determine the sustainable long term momentum of any economy.

Always room for improvement somewhere in every developing country!


The military government had systematically destroyed the education system from 1988 onwards until more recently which accounts for the precipitous decline in education standards within the last three decades unfortunately. It is not a matter of getting there but getting back there. Universities countrywide were closed for 3 years in 1988 for example. Can you imagine the turmoil that put the education system into? The flagship Yangon University only began accepting undergraduates again in 2014 after the undergraduate body was dissolved in 1996. All our medical schools lost international accreditation within this time too, naturally. We currently are running a program of building technical colleges and polytechnics offering more practical 2-year courses rather than the academic 3-4 year courses which should redress this imbalance. This includes building back the core of teachers which was also largely purged between the 1980's to around 5 years ago.

But yes, the transition towards higher levels of education is indeed important for human capital development, but there is a threshold of basic literacy that needs to be broken, which stands at about 50%, for a country to escape systematic poverty and most of South Asia has only achieved this within the past two decades (a fine achievement indeed). What you want to avoid is the uneven society that develops where there is such a divide between the education rich and the education poor (something I have observed in South Asia where some very impressive world class tertiary education establishments are present but contrasted against a such a large percentage of the population which lack even basic literacy).
 
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The military government had systematically destroyed the education system from 1988 onwards until more recently which accounts for the precipitous decline in education standards within the last three decades unfortunately. It is not a matter of getting there but getting back there. Universities countrywide were closed for 3 years in 1988 for example. Can you imagine the turmoil that put the education system into? The flagship Yangon University only began accepting undergraduates again in 2014 after the undergraduate body was dissolved in 1996. All our medical schools naturally lost international accreditation within this time too, naturally. We currently are running a program of building technical colleges and polytechnics offering more practical 2-year courses rather than the academic 3-4 year courses which should redress this imbalance. This includes building back the core of teachers which was also largely purged between the 1980's to around 5 years ago.

But yes, the transition towards higher levels of education is indeed important for human capital development, but there is a threshold of basic literacy that needs to be broken, which stands at about 50%, for a country to escape systematic poverty and most of South Asia has only achieved this within the past two decades (a fine achievement indeed). What you want to avoid is the uneven society that develops where there is such a divide between the education rich and the education poor (something I have observed in South Asia where some very impressive world class tertiary education establishments are present but contrasted against a such a large percentage of the population which lack even basic literacy).

I see...I did not know about the details regarding Myanmar. Thanks for posting, it is important to know the context for sure.

The thing in many parts of India (esp Hindi heartland) there was no sustained massive literacy drive for a good 20 - 30 years after independence for adults to impart functional literacy skills (thus ensuring an added natural drive to send their kids to school so they may benefit even more from exposure to knowledge and skills to what drive naturally exists in a population). Things only started to change in this aspect in the 90s (adult literacy programs, youth skilling, decentralised vocation and greater supply of private customised education for grown ups through unconventional methods like same language subtitles etc).

This meant that for the bulk of independent India history, the increase in literacy stemmed mostly from the level of education imparted to kids and adolescents (esp primary schooling since this is where basic literacy is picked up). This continues to a large degree. Basically the philosophy is its too late for most adults that are stuck being illiterate...and the resources instead go to improving the quality of education for primary and secondary (i.e the generation that will be in charge 10+ years from now). Thats why progress in overall literacy rate is somewhat slow in India (and even worse in many of its neighbours) compared to say Burma, Sri Lanka and China etc...

Adult literacy programs are proliferating now to some degree in India (leading to literacy rate marching to 80% a lot faster than the increases seen when the overall literacy rate passed 50% sometime in the early 90s)....but the main driver still comes from the youth being more highly educated than the generation before them and the generation before that that pass away in greater number (in effect deleting the number of illiterates and increasing supply of literates to the total adult population). So I see maybe 90% literacy in India being reached around 2020 - 2025 region....but even where we are now is quite decent if we can impart the foundation of the young cohort with enough secondary education and vocational skills + access to investment and credit + improved start up culture to hedge as best as we can with the situation we have inherited....while the long term trend is allowed to continue and given more impetus to accelerate it where possible.
 
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I see...I did not know about the details regarding Myanmar. Thanks for posting, it is important to know the context for sure.

The thing in many parts of India (esp Hindi heartland) there was no sustained massive literacy drive for a good 20 - 30 years after independence for adults to impart functional literacy skills (thus ensuring an added natural drive to send their kids to school so they may benefit even more from exposure to knowledge and skills to what drive naturally exists in a population). Things only started to change in this aspect in the 90s (adult literacy programs, youth skilling, decentralised vocation and greater supply of private customised education for grown ups through unconventional methods like same language subtitles etc).

This meant that for the bulk of independent India history, the increase in literacy stemmed mostly from the level of education imparted to kids and adolescents (esp primary schooling since this is where basic literacy is picked up). This continues to a large degree. Basically the philosophy is its too late for most adults that are stuck being illiterate...and the resources instead go to improving the quality of education for primary and secondary (i.e the generation that will be in charge 10+ years from now). Thats why progress in overall literacy rate is somewhat slow in India (and even worse in many of its neighbours) compared to say Burma, Sri Lanka and China etc...

Adult literacy programs are proliferating now to some degree in India (leading to literacy rate marching to 80% a lot faster than the increases seen when the overall literacy rate passed 50% sometime in the early 90s)....but the main driver still comes from the youth being more highly educated than the generation before them and the generation before that that pass away in greater number (in effect deleting the number of illiterates and increasing supply of literates to the total adult population). So I see maybe 90% literacy in India being reached around 2020 - 2025 region....but even where we are now is quite decent if we can impart the foundation of the young cohort with enough secondary education and vocational skills + access to investment and credit + improved start up culture to hedge as best as we can with the situation we have inherited....while the long term trend is allowed to continue and given more impetus to accelerate it where possible.

Impressive indeed! Are the current education drives reaching out to all levels of society? It must not be easy with the historic caste system still present. What role do religious authorities play in the educational establishment? I have no doubt that India will reach its targets and you will see a reciprocal boost in your rate of development.

In Myanmar, the situation was the reverse as the military government was actively trying to dumb down the population and cultivate a culture of anti-intellectualism as they had seen that students and educated persons were the greatest source of dissent to their rule. I think the collapse of the Soviet Union played no small part in this as their attempts to educate the masses had led to the sort of intellectual backlash against Communist Party rule which eventually brought it down. Incidentally that is why China is restrictive on educational freedom and why they emphasise technical and scientific learning rather than critical thinking. Back in Myanmar, it was actually the grass roots effort of the people and the religious Buddhist order, which has always placed a great emphasis on education, that managed to keep the rate of basic literacy at a high level.
 
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Are the current education drives reaching out to all levels of society?

Depends where you go. Some states have already achieved close to 100% literacy and good quality depth in compulsory education (which generally is primary + lower secondary in india). It is the success in these states that is being expanded to others so they can implement the ideas that work without the need to experiment too much.

Generally the South, West and Eastern parts of the country are the most successful when it comes to education along with urban areas in general. The rural north (except arguably Punjab and Kashmir) is what causes the national average to be dragged down immensely.

It must not be easy with the historic caste system still present.

There are issues of course. But generally primary education is not affected at all given the supply is assured (both through public and private schools) in ample amounts since the 90s. The main issues are rather school quality (esp rural govt schools) combined with teacher quality and absenteeism. The standards leave much to be desired in many of them along with the way teaching is done, which is often stuck in Victorian rote style learning methods (though these are popular even in developed East Asian countries and are not a significant obstacle for future generic manufacturing based jobs).

Caste only really pops up its head in primary level in backward rural areas where programs like the midday meal scheme are often cooked by low caste or untouchable women and some upper caste people cannot tolerate that. But they make news more because such things stand out now because of relative rarity.....most rural folks are relieved that their kids can go to school AND get a solid meal, fruit, milk and eggs etc that would be an expense for them otherwise. Thus they are less likely to keep the kids for work purposes like was done in their youth....since a solid meal for the kid is assured and guaranteed.

Thus it goes a long way to integrating a community and exposing those that still think in a backwards caste-dominated way.

Hence it is supply that is the key. When you have adequate supply, people do not fight for access to something since the cost is lower than when supply is limited in say the tertiary level (and even secondary level in some states).

When supply is limited is when issues like Caste come up....because with scarcity, politicians can play their dirty games to secure vote banks and bring in things like Caste (through policies like reservation etc.) This is a big problem in higher education in India and will take a really long time to solve (through bringing in more supply). But I am glad it is no longer such an issue for the basic primary and secondary for the most part in most states at least.

What role do religious authorities play in the educational establishment?

Traidtionally the christian churches have been very involved in providing education facilities. Their quality is generally quite good and they are mostly secular in nature except for maybe a morning prayer etc. Madrasas are left to each states education board to decide regulation and standards implementation etc. Some states run some very excellent ones that are also quite secular and progressive....others not so much (to secure vote banks etc again).

Hinduism-based schools are very rare...almost non-existent. You can count them on one hand and normally are extra curricular in nature and associated with a local Hindu temple which needs good patronage to fund such religious instruction. It was more popular in the older days (my great grandpa who was my fathers adoptive dad ran one of these being quite a well known vedic scholar in the area)....but now both interest/demand and supply are quite rare or have evolved to simply combine with other religious activities instead of being specifically educationally related.

I would say 90%+ of all schools in primary and secondary are secular in nature by practice overall. The remaining 10% do have to fall under standards set by the state specific to what subjects must be included along with religion.

In Myanmar, the situation was the reverse as the military government was actively trying to dumb down the population and cultivate a culture of anti-intellectualism as they had seen that students and educated persons were the greatest source of dissent to their rule. I think the collapse of the Soviet Union played no small part in this as their attempts to educate the masses had led to the sort of intellectual backlash against Communist Party rule which eventually brought it down. Incidentally that is why China is restrictive on educational freedom and why they emphasise technical and scientific learning rather than critical thinking. Back in Myanmar, it was actually the grass roots effort of the people and the religious Buddhist order, which has always placed a great emphasis on education, that managed to keep the rate of basic literacy at a high level.

Very interesting. To a degree, this phenomenon is there in India too where the elites and politicians surpress cultural identity of Indians when it comes to education (thus diminishing critical thinking and debate about the very nature of Indian society and philosophy etc). The rote type learning has been another factor in accomplishing this. But slowly things are changing for the better and even during the bad days, the silver lining was India's basic adherence to democracy that did allow the best of the best to get some of the worlds best education at a very affordable cost.....not to mention the philantrophists that were instrumental in creating sustainable education models that are now proliferating in the private education sector today.

Ultimately I feel the govt should withdraw its presence in education and should be limited to a direct voucher system to let parents choose their kids schooling from many private providers that compete for it and meet a set of minimum but high standards set by the govt and checked regularly. This idea is however at a very nascent stage in India, just like the complete stripping away of "Caste" politics in higher education which still encumbers us greatly in the long run. But there is a mechanism in place that has been developed over many years that do allow ideas to eventually flourish....so I hope for this and many other things.....its a question of when rather than if.
 
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Myanamar and Bharat will both destroy Banglaland.

It was Myanmar who invaded and took over Mizoland, Nagaland and Assam. Reda the excerpt below:

"There were three Burmese invasions of Assam between 1817 and 1826, during which time the Assam (Ahom) came under the control of Burma from 1821 to 1825. Locally, this period, called the manor din by the Assamese and Chahi-Taret Khuntakpa (seven years of devastation) in Manipuri, is remembered with horror. It was the climactic period of the 600-year history of the Assam. The sharp drop in population due both to depredations as well emigrations left the erstwhile kingdom in shambles."

History repeats itself. This Myanmar with their tribal cave-dwelling primitive culture will again try to take over the greater Assam. It may happen when there is a regional war (read: an India-China war). Wars cannot be predicted unless it really occurs. It is same as an earthquake, no reliable prediction. But, an earthquake's aftereffects are predictable. It is same with war aftereffects.

But, here you are talking about BD being eaten up by a holy Bharat and its sagredh Myanmar.
 
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yaj it is complicated. out of ur knowledge.
yes..!! talking non-sense is out of our Knowledge... only u can..!! :D

@ Yes, I can for see ???
...? link..?
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/country-data/myanmar-gdp-country-report

Whats more important is PPP anyway. Please quote those only from now on when comparing Myanmar to B;desh...and tag me if any Bangladeshi member whines about it not being the "nominal" figure. I will deal with them till they retreat with tail between legs.
ok.. bro ... i will.... :D
 
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We never care abt monkey force. lol. What a force- :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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