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Only option is to kill British Isis fighters in Syria, says minister
Rory Stewart says Islamic State members pose a serious danger and ‘the only way of dealing with them will be to kill them’




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Sunday 22 October 2017 18.34 BSTLast modified on Sunday 22 October 2017 18.43 BST

The only way of dealing with most of the British Islamic State fighters in Syria is to kill them, a British government minister has said.

Rory Stewart, an international development minister, said converts to the terror group believed in an “extremely hateful doctrine” and fighters could expect to be killed given the threat they posed to British security.

Hundreds of British citizens are known to have travelled to Syria to fight with Islamist groups during the course of the six-year conflict. Brett McGurk, a top US envoy for the coalition fighting Isis, has said his mission is to ensure every foreign Isis fighter in Syria dies in Syria.

Stewart was asked about the comments on BBC Radio 5 Live’s Pienaar’s Politics. The minister said there were “very difficult moral issues”, adding: “These are people who have essentially moved away from any kind of allegiance towards the British government.

“They are absolutely dedicated, as members of the Islamic State, towards the creation of a caliphate. They believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves, killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth-century or seventh-century state.

“So I’m afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them.”

Stewart, a former diplomat, continued: “These are people who are executing people in the back of their heads, who have held women and children hostage, who are torturing and murdering, trying by violence to impose their will. Our response has to be, when somebody does that, I’m afraid, to deal with that.”

Stewart said British authorities had made it clear that people should not be volunteering with militia groups to fight Isis.

“If you wish to serve your country and you wish to fight terrorism, then please apply to join the military or join the police or join our intelligence services, we’ll train you, we’ll work with you to do it in a legal and controlled fashion,” he said.

He confirmed that it remained British policy to remove the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad. “I don’t think anyone should be in any doubt that the control that he has is brutal and ultimately fragile,” Stewart said.

“The policy of the British government is that Bashar al-Assad needs to step aside and we need transition to a new government, because so long as that man is in power it is going to be impossible to have a long-term, stable, sustainable future for Syria.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-british-isis-fighters-in-syria-says-minister
 
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Most of them are dead already, certainly the prolific ones. The airstrikes of the modern age are more accurate and deadly than those from just a few years back.
 
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I am going to be the bad guy here.

But is it not a shariah way of dealing with terrorists?

How ironic
 
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Give them random weapons, suicide vests, knives, guns, rocks, lock them all in an empty building and let the games begin.

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Hmm, wonder what happened to the human rights that western countries impose on others but seldom follow when it comes to their own.
 
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Hmm, wonder what happened to the human rights that western countries impose on others but seldom follow when it comes to their own.

They can have the human rights when they are dead and dragged to hell. :lol:

British intelligence needs to make sure that not a single ISIS member comes back to UK. Kill them all in Syria, if any arrive through airport and is caught shoot them on sight.
 
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They can have the human rights when they are dead and dragged to hell. :lol:

British intelligence needs to make sure that not a single ISIS member comes back to UK. Kill them all in Syria, if any arrive through airport and is caught shoot them on sight.

That is not going to happen.

Not everyone that joined ISIS was involved in fighting. Some went to become ISIS brides and then were made hostage when the dream soured and they wanted to come back to UK.

Just because they joined ISIS does not mean they lose the right to come back to the UK. They will all need to be debriefed and kept under detention/surveillance for a period of time to make sure they are not a danger to the public.
 
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Someone ought to tell the good minister that it would ALSO have been prudent for NATO to NOT have covertly armed ISIS.

Does he not know that ISIS 2.0 are being prepared in Afghanistan after ISIS 1.0 has been thwarted mainly by Russia?

Most of them are dead already, certainly the prolific ones. The airstrikes of the modern age are more accurate and deadly than those from just a few years back.
 
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Just because they joined ISIS does not mean they lose the right to come back to the UK. They will all need to be debriefed and kept under detention/surveillance for a period of time to make sure they are not a danger to the public.
True to some extent, however I don't understand the usefulness of debriefing or keeping under surveillance all these British jihadists ISIS members. Who is going to pay for all this? For how long would or should they be kept under surveillance? What are the authorities going to do with them (since they can't even be successfully prosecuted), where will they be kept under detention (not in our prisons since they might radicalise even more inmates there) etc etc.

In short once these jihadists return they will be free and carry on like nothing happened (until if they one day successfully carry out another terror attack here). Many other (or 'former') ISIS jihadists have already returned to Britain but no screening /detention /surveillance has been carried out on them. Same will happen if these hardcore British ISIS members are allowed to return. I said hardcore because these latest ISIS returnees will most certainly be the more radical ones, since I believe the more moderate/delusional ones would have returned long ago, while the hardcore believers of the Islamic state would have decided to stay behind and fight to the last end(made to returned only because ISIS has lost almost all its territory due to intense U. S/Western backed forces in Iraq/ Syrian kurds and Russian backed Assad/iranian Shia militias).
So it's a tricky situation for our government to handle.
 
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True to some extent, however I don't understand the usefulness of debriefing or keeping under surveillance all these British jihadists ISIS members. Who is going to pay for all this? For how long would or should they be kept under surveillance? What are the authorities going to do with them (since they can't even be successfully prosecuted), where will they be kept under detention (not in our prisons since they might radicalise even more inmates there) etc etc.
In short once these jihadists return they will be free and carry on like nothing happened (until if they one day commit a terror attack here). Many other (or former) ISIS members have already returned to Britain but no screening /detention /surveillance has been carried out on them. Same will happen if these hardcore British ISIS members are allowed to return. I said hardcore because these latest ISIS returnees will most certainly be the more radical ones, since I believe the more moderate/delusional ones would have returned a whole ago, while while the hardcore believers of the Islamic state would have decided to stay behind and fight to the last end(made to returned only because ISIS has lost almost all its territory due to intense U. S/Western backed forces in Iraq/ Syrian kurds and Russian backed Assad/iranian Shia militias).
So it's a tricky situation for our government to handle.


Personally I am not delighted at the prospect of people coming back that may have committed terrible atrocities while out in Syria.

I would like these people to be kept under close surveillance for the rest of their lives, like regularly attending police stations and even having to keep tracking devices on them at all times. The danger of some of these people committing mass murder would justify it IMO. Since they went to Syria to fight for the despicable ISIS, then that is the price they have to pay to return and live in the UK.
 
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Personally I am not delighted at the prospect of people coming back that may have committed terrible atrocities while out in Syria.

I would like these people to be kept under close surveillance for the rest of their lives, like regularly attending police stations and even having to keep tracking devices on them at all times. The danger of some of these people committing mass murder would justify it IMO. Since they went to Syria to fight for the despicable ISIS, then that is the price they have to pay to return and live in the UK.
To be honest, that's not realistic or feasible. You should know our laws won't allow that.
For one, we can't put tracking devices on them for life at all, what reason will the authorities use to justify that?
Neither can we put them under surveillance for life. That's not feasible and will require massive amount of resources and manpower(not counting the fact that it won't even be allowed by our courts, since on which grounds are we going to prosecute or put them under life surveillance?). These are all questions which nobody has any answers to. Lol

It's for this reason I understand why our minister made the point of just getting rid of them in Syria. Though it's not a good/lawful thing to do.
 
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To be honest, that's not realistic or feasible. You should know our laws won't allow that.
For one, we can't put tracking devices on them for life at all, what reason will the authorities use to justify that?
Neither can we put them under surveillance for life. That's not feasible and will require massive amount of resources and manpower(not counting the fact that it won't even be allowed by our courts, since on which grounds are we going to prosecute or put them under life surveillance?). These are all questions which nobody has any answers to. Lol

It's for this reason I understand why our minister made the point of just getting rid of them in Syria. Though it's not a good/lawful thing to do.

Well a lot of these people are coming back. Hope the government has thought of something to handle them so to speak.
 
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Hmm, wonder what happened to the human rights that western countries impose on others but seldom follow when it comes to their own.
That is reserved for those that follow the Geneva Convention.
ISIS has made a conscious decision to reject the protection given to those that
value human rights.
Furthermore, the returnees should, according to the Geneva Convention
not be allowed their freedom.
Minimum treatment is internment until the war against the Islamists is won.
This probably means a life sentence.
There is not even need for a trial, once they are POW.
 
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That is not going to happen.

Not everyone that joined ISIS was involved in fighting. Some went to become ISIS brides and then were made hostage when the dream soured and they wanted to come back to UK.

Just because they joined ISIS does not mean they lose the right to come back to the UK. They will all need to be debriefed and kept under detention/surveillance for a period of time to make sure they are not a danger to the public.
To be honest, that's not realistic or feasible. You should know our laws won't allow that.
For one, we can't put tracking devices on them for life at all, what reason will the authorities use to justify that?
Neither can we put them under surveillance for life. That's not feasible and will require massive amount of resources and manpower(not counting the fact that it won't even be allowed by our courts, since on which grounds are we going to prosecute or put them under life surveillance?). These are all questions which nobody has any answers to. Lol

It's for this reason I understand why our minister made the point of just getting rid of them in Syria. Though it's not a good/lawful thing to do.

Easiest is to make them POW, and lock them up.
 
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