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One, Two, Three, Four, I declare a trade war.

How Chinese people accept to buy Iphone at much higher price than their neighbors, while Iphone was made in China?
As I know, Samsung and Microsoft Mobiles phone made in Vietnam has the cheapest level in Vietnam compare to exported phones.

About Starbuck issue. It's at expensive leverage. everywhere.
You can't claim about that while it's not feeding you everyday.

Let choose the coffee fit your pocket. Others with bigger wallets would proud of their presence in Starbuck. Just like the way some ladies love their luxury bags.
U‘d better post a Vietnamese smart-phone market map here, to prove u r right ... how many Vietnamese buy Samsung and Microsoft Mobile phones, or how many buy Made in China phones ??? Maybe it comes from ur dream ... in ur dream, lol !
 
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U‘d better post a Vietnamese smart-phone market map here, to prove u r right ... how many Vietnamese buy Samsung and Microsoft Mobile phones, or how many buy Made in China phones ??? Maybe it comes from ur dream ... in ur dream, lol !

Vietnam buy Iphone made in China. It's true.
But at cheaper price than Chinese must pay
 
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Vietnam buy Iphone made in China. It's true.
But at cheaper price than Chinese must pay
Current price of Iphone6 & Iphone6 Plus sell in Vietnam Market ? I wanna know ... or Iphone5S ?
 
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Current price of Iphone6 & Iphone6 Plus sell in Vietnam Market ? I wanna know ... or Iphone5S ?

Iphone 6 16GB: 730 US dollars ( incl. 10% of VAT )
Iphone 6 plus 16GB: 893 US dollars ( incl. 10% of VAT )

That means if you come and pick one here then the prices for you ( after VAT refunded )
663 / 811 USD
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in Malaysia : 659 / 752 USD
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How much do they cost in China?
 
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Huawei is not allow to bid on US infrastructure project for security reason, the US does not allow coreign company to bid on Local telecommunication infrastructure, they also refused Singtel for it.

Thats the same if AT&T start bidding for Chinese telecommunication infrastructure project, would you think Chinese government would have allowed?

Huawei on the other hand, have no problem selling mobile headset and mobile boardband modem in the US. Apple does not do telco infrastructure....they only sell laptop and phones....



As I said, Apple dont do telecommunication infrastructures...Why would China ban apple on government contract?

Is iphone or imac forbidded between CCP member?

Thanks for the info
 
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Iphone 6 16GB: 730 US dollars ( incl. 10% of VAT )
Iphone 6 plus 16GB: 893 US dollars ( incl. 10% of VAT )

That means if you come and pick one here then the prices for you ( after VAT refunded )
663 / 811 USD
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in Malaysia : 659 / 752 USD
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How much do they cost in China?
On-line shop by TaoBao.com

1 USD == 6.26 RMB
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Iphone6 16G, left Smuggled version price: 707 USD, right Licensed version price: 859 USD
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Iphone6 Plus 16G, left Smuggled version price: 797 USD, right Licensed version price: 1,015 USD
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'Arrogance and Hypocrisy': China Slams Obama Over Cybersecurity Demands
05.03.2015

China is defending its proposed cybersecurity laws as "beyond reproach" in the wake of harsh criticism from the US - criticism that the state -run Xinhua news agency called "arrogance and hypocrisy."


In late 2014, China published draft legislation of rules for foreign companies wishing to do business in China. Those included handing over encryption keys, allowing for "backdoors" into company systems to allow Chinese counter-terrorism surveillance, and keeping company and user data on servers in China.

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Obama Urges Beijing to Change Technology Trade Rules

President Obama called these requirements "something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States." But China maintains that they are security practices similar to the US' own — indeed perhaps more transparent — and a normal condition of doing business.

"All countries are paying attention to and taking measures to safeguard their own information security. This is beyond reproach," China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said.

The new regulations "would essentially force all foreign companies, including US companies, to turn over to the Chinese government mechanisms where they can snoop and keep track of all the users of those services," Obama told Reuters, expressing skepticism that any Silicon Valley companies would be willing to comply.

"The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Security Agency both have access to the equipment of major US technology firms," Xinhua pointed out. "And with transparent procedures, China's anti-terrorism campaign will be different from what the United States has done: letting the surveillance authorities run amok and turn counterterrorism into paranoid espionage and peeping on its civilians and allies."

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Why is China Strangling US Tech Firms With New Cybersecurity Demands?

Some of the new rules and procedures China has proposed do appear to be a reaction to the discovery of NSA spying in the information leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013, some of which showed that the US had been spying on Chinese companies — like telecom giant Huawei. Indeed, in the end the US decided not to do business with Huawei — citing that it was too much of a potential cybersecurity threat due to alleged Chinese government connections.

Then in 2014, China announced they would implement a new "cyber security vetting system" for foreign IT products.

"For a long time, governments and enterprises of a few countries have gathered sensitive information on a large scale, taking advantage of their monopoly in the market and technological edge," said Jiang Jun, spokesman for the State Internet Information Office, according to a Xinhua report in May.

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China Bought Nearly Half of Gemalto SIM Cards Allegedly Hacked by US, UK

Specifically citing alarm over US government surveillance and the Snowden leaks Jun continued, "It shows that without cyber security, there's no national security."

And the recent case of the Gemalto SIM cards, whose encryption keys were stolen by US and UK intelligence agencies, has been of particular concern to China, as it was revealed that nearly half of the SIM sales of Gemalto are in China.

"We are opposed to any country attempting to conduct intelligence gathering in cyberspace using its information technology superiority or IT products vulnerabilities," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a press briefing.

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Bad for Business: After NSA Hack China Stops Buying Major US Tech Brands

Recent regulations for foreign banks wishing to do business in China were similar to the proposed IT rules, but not as broad in scope. Nevertheless they led to banks opting for domestic Chinese business options instead.

Read more: 'Arrogance and Hypocrisy': China Slams Obama Over Cybersecurity Demands / Sputnik International
 
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btw, what's "smuggled version" ? I'm sharing you the official prices ( as you call licensed version )
"smuggled version" :
Usually it's N.America/Japan/HongKong version Iphone 6/Plus, Smuggled goods from HongKong still sold by China phone shops, hacked IOS 8.0 and no problem to use it in China 3G/4G communication network.

"licensed version":
Sell in Apple stores, or sell in official shops.

I do not care which version sell in China, all r good Iphone6 and Iphone 6 Plus. Even compare ur Vietnam official price with China official price, there's 1,000 RMB price difference i don't think it's a problem.
 
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"smuggled version" :
Usually it's N.America/Japan/HongKong version Iphone 6/Plus, Smuggled goods from HongKong still sold by China phone shops, hacked IOS 8.0 and no problem to use it in China 3G/4G communication network.

"licensed version":
Sell in Apple stores, or sell in official shops.

I do not care which version sell in China, all r good Iphone6 and Iphone 6 Plus. Even compare ur Vietnam official price with China official price, there's 1,000 RMB price difference i don't think it's a problem.

better we should buy the official version, to get max support.

Hongkong prices are better than in China mainland ?
 
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you mentioned a different case, military or civil use of the information infrastructure.
for military use, for example, internet and computers, according to what I know about China, are physical separated. maybe more strictly managed than what you described on US case.
But we are talking about civil use for information infrastructure, such as, bank system, general internet hubs or routers.
US (actually) banned Huawei as system provider.
You don't understand why US ban foreign company to bid or take over local telecommunication infrastructure.

The top secret material from each Governmental Department are stored with Standalone computer/server with direct line or intranet to a certain outlet (ie White House, SCIF or off site information process centre) and you cannot remotely hack those information over the internet as there are no internet outlet (No gateway) to the Internet, only access is the direct line

Say if the US government allow Huawei to build Land Line Exchanges in the Capital District, they can tap into the hard line and filter the information out. That is the only way you can hack those FYEO information.

That's why US only allow US company to do Infrastructure within the US.

I don't know about how sensitive information is stored in China, but I would imagine that would probably be the same, hence, you wont see Chinese Allowing Foreign Company to bid with Chinese infrastructure.

Hence, Huawei is not a good example

@Gufi
 
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you mentioned a different case, military or civil use of the information infrastructure.
for military use, for example, internet and computers, according to what I know about China, are physical separated. maybe more strictly managed than what you described on US case.
But we are talking about civil use for information infrastructure, such as, bank system, general internet hubs or routers.
US (actually) banned Huawei as system provider.

there are no military use or civilian use information system infrastructure. They are the same set, you dont have 1 cable for military and another set for civilian.

Lets lut NYSE as an example, New York Stock exchange is a private company, but DOC (Department of Commerce) have a direct line for NYSE server and monitor the server real time, and that diect line is share, with all DOC application such as military spending, so basically, if you can hack NYSE, you can Hack the DOC server and get military spending from said server.
 
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Well, it seems that we should make more detailed categories over the internet.
In China, military used networks and computers are put aside. We focus on the civil use from your viewpoint.
You are actually about strategy information infrastructure, because a country-wide bank system has become such a strategy one. When iPhone only used by a small number of people, it doesn't matter, but if this cellphone is used by millions of people, then it becomes a problem. It is different from the individual case, a single cellphone or computer, which can be considered as tactic sets.
So, we are actually on the topic, if it is reasonable that both China and US govt. want to protect their own strategy infrastructure.

there are no military use or civilian use information system infrastructure. They are the same set, you dont have 1 cable for military and another set for civilian.

Lets lut NYSE as an example, New York Stock exchange is a private company, but DOC (Department of Commerce) have a direct line for NYSE server and monitor the server real time, and that diect line is share, with all DOC application such as military spending, so basically, if you can hack NYSE, you can Hack the DOC server and get military spending from said server.
 
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Well, it seems that we should make more detailed categories over the internet.
In China, military used networks and computers are put aside. We focus on the civil use from your viewpoint.
You are actually about strategy information infrastructure, because a country-wide bank system has become such a strategy one. When iPhone only used by a small number of people, it doesn't matter, but if this cellphone is used by millions of people, then it becomes a problem. It is different from the individual case, a single cellphone or computer, which can be considered as tactic sets.
So, we are actually on the topic, if it is reasonable that both China and US govt. want to protect their own strategy infrastructure.

lol, no...I am talking about general IT infrastructure.

What i am talking about is ground infrastructure, not internet or routers. What I am talking about is the telephone exchanges, cable works, server gateway and so on.

I dont know how Chinese ICE system work, but in the US, they uses civilian structure (Civilian cable, civilian exchanges and server gateway) The US have a very big Intranet System and Directline system that make building a seperate system for Military use impossible.

Do you know Edward Snowden does not work for NSA directly, he works for a private company that have contract with the NSA and the crossing direct line system is where he can get NSA intel as if he is accessing the mainframe himself.

Every US military and governmental system are connected to Private sector somehow, hence if you can allow a foreign company to deal with the exchanges, then you would literally allow another snowden episode.

I dont know how to simpify that to make you understand. Butin all, Huawei can sell Router, Modem, mobile phone in the US, but they are not allow to go near US telecommunication infrastructure because that can hack onsite standalone server.
 
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In my dream world, there should be split
'Arrogance and Hypocrisy': China Slams Obama Over Cybersecurity Demands
05.03.2015

China is defending its proposed cybersecurity laws as "beyond reproach" in the wake of harsh criticism from the US - criticism that the state -run Xinhua news agency called "arrogance and hypocrisy."


In late 2014, China published draft legislation of rules for foreign companies wishing to do business in China. Those included handing over encryption keys, allowing for "backdoors" into company systems to allow Chinese counter-terrorism surveillance, and keeping company and user data on servers in China.

1018067113.jpg

Obama Urges Beijing to Change Technology Trade Rules

President Obama called these requirements "something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States." But China maintains that they are security practices similar to the US' own — indeed perhaps more transparent — and a normal condition of doing business.

"All countries are paying attention to and taking measures to safeguard their own information security. This is beyond reproach," China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said.

The new regulations "would essentially force all foreign companies, including US companies, to turn over to the Chinese government mechanisms where they can snoop and keep track of all the users of those services," Obama told Reuters, expressing skepticism that any Silicon Valley companies would be willing to comply.

"The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Security Agency both have access to the equipment of major US technology firms," Xinhua pointed out. "And with transparent procedures, China's anti-terrorism campaign will be different from what the United States has done: letting the surveillance authorities run amok and turn counterterrorism into paranoid espionage and peeping on its civilians and allies."

1019052703.jpg

Why is China Strangling US Tech Firms With New Cybersecurity Demands?

Some of the new rules and procedures China has proposed do appear to be a reaction to the discovery of NSA spying in the information leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013, some of which showed that the US had been spying on Chinese companies — like telecom giant Huawei. Indeed, in the end the US decided not to do business with Huawei — citing that it was too much of a potential cybersecurity threat due to alleged Chinese government connections.

Then in 2014, China announced they would implement a new "cyber security vetting system" for foreign IT products.

"For a long time, governments and enterprises of a few countries have gathered sensitive information on a large scale, taking advantage of their monopoly in the market and technological edge," said Jiang Jun, spokesman for the State Internet Information Office, according to a Xinhua report in May.

1018533643.jpg

China Bought Nearly Half of Gemalto SIM Cards Allegedly Hacked by US, UK

Specifically citing alarm over US government surveillance and the Snowden leaks Jun continued, "It shows that without cyber security, there's no national security."

And the recent case of the Gemalto SIM cards, whose encryption keys were stolen by US and UK intelligence agencies, has been of particular concern to China, as it was revealed that nearly half of the SIM sales of Gemalto are in China.

"We are opposed to any country attempting to conduct intelligence gathering in cyberspace using its information technology superiority or IT products vulnerabilities," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a press briefing.

1018761444.jpg

Bad for Business: After NSA Hack China Stops Buying Major US Tech Brands

Recent regulations for foreign banks wishing to do business in China were similar to the proposed IT rules, but not as broad in scope. Nevertheless they led to banks opting for domestic Chinese business options instead.

Read more: 'Arrogance and Hypocrisy': China Slams Obama Over Cybersecurity Demands / Sputnik International
Getting rid of the US tech is a must for national security.
 
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