One Texas attacker belonged to Pakistan

[gambit]

American media is trying to hide it's homegrown terrorism by blaming it on a country where the suspect never lived.

You mean like how Muslims looks for Jews/Zionists where none exists ?

 

[K M Cariappa]

This was not for acceptance by any religion. I fail to understand how this could be termed as "horror" to any one. If it is, then we should ban all religions first because each one is "horror" to other. And then we could keep the same contest!!!

If making fun making or belittling someone you consider equivalent to GOD is not horror then I don't know what is....

 

[Sneaker]

If making fun making or belittling someone you consider equivalent to GOD is not horror then I don't know what is....

How about killing innocents in name of GOD?

 

[K M Cariappa]

How about killing innocents in name of GOD?

Are you talking about the Christian Crusaders.... INQUISITION

 

[Sneaker]

Are you talking about the Christian Crusaders.... INQUISITION

No. All religion (well, people with religious affiliation) did that at one point or another.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

One Pakistani terrorist does not make all pakistanis terrorist.

Just to be accurate, he is NOT the only Pakistani terrorist. He is just the latest among a 'disproportionately' high number of terrorists for Pakistan's population.

 

[Koovie]

Good people of US think other-wise. They are right for a simple fact that "spreading hatred" is such a loose, subjective and a non-quantifiable term.



There is where the difference between thinking of the people differ. In India, we like to ban anything that is offensive. but Ban will not help till people have the feelings inside them. What ban does is effectively stop any debate to make people understand what is wrong and why. That is why KKK is dying and everything that was banned in India are thriving, just under the surface.

What you are referring to (In case of India) are the religious sentiments... It should be obvious though that the KKK doctrine is against the VERY FUNDAMENTALS of the US constitution and is thus threatening the structure of that nation itself. Do you agree with that?

 

[Hyperion]

Thank you lala!

congrats bro!!!



a few mentions of Pakistan makes the standard bharti bozo go cuckoo too

 

[Sneaker]

What you are referring to (In case of India) are the religious sentiments... It should be obvious though that the KKK doctrine is against the VERY FUNDAMENTALS of the US constitution and is thus threatening the structure of that nation itself. Do you agree with that?

Banning them is also against the VERY FUNDAMENTALS of US constitution. See, you can't pick and choose when it come to rights of the people. Constitution doesn't prohibit being against it!! Otherwise there could be no amendments possible and democracy becomes new religion! that is a slippery slope once you go there...

 

[Koovie]

Banning them is also against the VERY FUNDAMENTALS of US constitution. See, you can't pick and choose when it come to rights of the people. Constitution doesn't prohibit being against it!! Otherwise there could be no amendments possible and democracy becomes new religion! that is a slippery slope once you go there...

Eventually one has to pick and chose.

Otherwise there would not be contingency laws, a supreme court (that stops anti constitutional acts), emergency powers, the whole PATRIO act thing etc etc...... basically all the technically illegal means to protect the democratic structure of the state.

I know that the US has a different attitude towards this issue as compared to other democracies (especially Europe)

 

[Sneaker]

Eventually one has to pick and chose.

Otherwise there would not be contingency laws, a supreme court (that stops anti constitutional acts), emergency powers, the whole PATRIO act thing etc etc...... basically all the technically illegal means to protect the democratic structure of the state.

I know that the US has a different attitude towards this issue as compared to other democracies (especially Europe)

That is the point. Those things are "illegal". And yes, US and EU have different approach. I favor US approach on free speech. EU/UK are shy of criticizing only some religions (from their former colonies) due to fear or political correctness. Nothing should be above criticism, including democratic principles and constitution. That is only way of constant improvement (it assumes people are intelligent and not sheeps who can be swayed by money and propaganda)..

 

[xyxmt]

I believe that the point of the article was that just a few years in Pakistan can make you go cuckoo

its the smell that comes from across our eastern borders

 

[Koovie]

That is the point. Those things are "illegal". And yes, US and EU have different approach. I favor US approach on free speech. EU/UK are shy of criticizing only some religions (from their former colonies) due to fear or political correctness. Nothing should be above criticism, including democratic principles and constitution. That is only way of constant improvement (it assumes people are intelligent and not sheeps who can be swayed by money and propaganda)..

Well, I am quite critical of the US approach, but thats not the point here.

Thing is that nations need to do technically illegal things to protect the democratic nature of the state. Obviously.
And we both seem to agree on that.
Now you and me might have a different views on how much of a threat the KKK is to the democratic system I guess....

 

[Sneaker]

Well, I am quite critical of the US approach, but thats not the point here.

Thing is that nations need to do technically illegal things to protect the democratic nature of the state. Obviously.
And we both seem to agree on that.
Now you and me might have a different views on how much of a threat the KKK is to the democratic system I guess....

No, I do not agree with that. They do not need to resort to un-democratic means to protect themselves. They tend to do that but there are perfectly democratic means to accomplish the goals. However, that requires maturity among population, which will be missing most of the time allowing govt to bring illegal measures (often in the time of distress). I have no doubt KKK and organizations like that (including religions) are indeed threat to democracy. But the answer isn't banning them but to educate people why they are threat. My opinion is that once people realize why they are bad, they will stop supporting them and without people, nothing can survive, be it organization, ideology or govts..

 

[Koovie]

No, I do not agree with that. They do not need to resort to un-democratic means to protect themselves.

Each and every democracy on earth does that. Or do you think that emergency powers, contingency laws, martial laws, courts interfering into the legislative process, things like the PATRIOT act or the AFSPA (in an Indian context) are not un-democratic?

to educate people why they are threat. My opinion is that once people realize why they are bad, they will stop supporting them and without people, nothing can survive, be it organization, ideology or govts..

Yes, I totally agree that education is a main weapon against extremism of all kind... but unfortunately its kinda delusional to believe that all people will be smart one day