One Texas attacker belonged to Pakistan

[Koovie]

You want to debate the pros and cons of a religion,by all means go ahead. However, holding auctions and exhibitions to make caricatures does not fall in that category.

Organized efforts in public to malign a religion spreads hatred among common people. If someone wants to do that, then he should choose a proper platform for that.



I don't think you will like the idea of if I publicly demonstrate caricatures of your community, or something that you believe in. If you want to debate, criticise, choose a proper platform, talk to those people who know about the subject, why holding public exhibitions ? Clearly the idea was to make cheap fun at the cost of others' belief.

Nonsense, cartoons have been used to express opinions for centuries and (obviously) are protected by the right of freedom of expression... it does not matter which medium is used, its about the right itself, which must not be limited by some ancient book and irrational arguments.

Its as simple as that.

Just because they do it doesn't make it right. That is why we are democracy and not religion/communism/dictatorship. We must constantly reassess our situation, values etc based on evidence, and change system, constitution, laws etc.. We have seen bans won't work w/o change in people's heart and bans stop any work towards the latter. And no, not all people will be smart, but majority can become "knowledgeable" and it is the duty of people who call themselves "smart" to make them knowledgeable, not by force though.... I hardly find any such people in India...

So why did not nation ever stopped using those means which I described earlier?

I guess there must be a reason to it.

 

[nForce]

You didn't answer my point! Where does this taking offense, end? Today they take offense at drawing cartoons, and at this rate, tomorrow it will be about women's education and day after tomorrow infidels and so on until you surrender yourself completely to them.

How long can civilized societies afford to give space to these kind of fanatics that know only one language, language of violence?

This taking offence starts and ends at deliberately trying to hurt the sentiments of a community and their beliefs which has got nothing to do with any person outside the community in the first place.

I am a staunch Hindu, and I don't eat beef. I know very well that it is just yet another form of meat and there is not much to it. It is my religion and my conviction, my personal space and I don't appreciate anybody invading that. I don't think a Sikh will appreciate him being questioned and ridiculed on why he wears a turban.
Likewise, I should also be respectful towards the convictions of others.

Does it really hurt those Americans if the Prophet of the Muslims is bearded or wears a turban ? What does it matter to them ? Why are they poking their nose in others' business ?

Everybody has his own principles and convictions and he is free to practice what he believes in. If one intends to make the World a better place then there are far better ways to put effort in, deliberately creating communal tension is certainly not one among them.

Nonsense, cartoons have been used to express opinions for centuries and (obviously) are protected by the right of freedom of expression... it does not matter which medium is used, its about the right itself, which must not be limited by some ancient book and irrational arguments.

Refer to #77

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Learning the ropes of fatherhood!

Dude you never learn fatherhood... you are on an autopilot ... just enjoy it while it lasts... I mean till the time kid is in his/her teens.

 

[Donatello]

Id be more worried about the mosques here, I've experienced sectarian ideals in mosques here and the smaller mosques Im not sure if the FBI is really monitoring or not. Its a dangerous precedent and there needs to be both increased cooperation between law enforcement and the community along with increased surveillance.


Maybe his dad did not co-sign off on a new Merc and he decided to shoot it out.. many of these terrorist types have daddy issues.

How much is it different from the ghettos of UK? I've heard Texas is still as much a rowdy place....you keep whatever your religion be to yourself.

 

[gambit]

I am a staunch Hindu, and I don't eat beef. I know very well that it is just yet another form of meat and there is not much to it. It is my religion and my conviction, my personal space and I don't appreciate anybody invading that. I don't think a Sikh will appreciate him being questioned and ridiculed on why he wears a turban.

The man asked: 'Where does this taking offense, end?'

If you believe that mocking your religion constitutes intrusions into your personal space, then it is inevitable that there will be conflicts between those who believes in the freedom of speech principle and those with staunch religious convictions. But the problem is that there is no way to know how a religionist will take even the most mild of questioning of his religious beliefs.

You do not eat beef. Fine with me. But does that give you the right to demand that I do not eat beef in front of you ? For YOU, personally, maybe you are generous and understanding and have no problem with sitting down for dinner with me as I enjoy a slab of dry aged prime rib. But how do I know that any of your fellow Hindu will be equally generous and understanding ? Must I walk on eggshells in the presence of every Hindu ?

Likewise, I should also be respectful towards the convictions of others.

Does it really hurt those Americans if the Prophet of the Muslims is bearded or wears a turban ? What does it matter to them ? Why are they poking their nose in others' business ?

It looks like you have a very broad interpretation of what is one's business.

Sorry...But for Americans, meddling in someone else's business means affecting that person's life in some DIRECT ways. Questioning or even mocking your Hindu 'no consumption of beef' belief does not constitute forcing you to eat beef. Once you are behind closed doors, probably at your home, you are free to eat beef or not and your critics would be clueless. The US government, state and federal, have no power over you to force you to eat beef. The supermarket does not demand you to buy beef if you shop there. In short, no one is poking his/her nose into your business.

Everybody has his own principles and convictions and he is free to practice what he believes in. If one intends to make the World a better place then there are far better ways to put effort in, deliberately creating communal tension is certainly not one among them.

I can say that you being a Hindu is creating tension for me as a Christian. I am offended by the many gods in your religion. OFF WITH YOUR HEAD...!!!

 

[nForce]

The man asked: 'Where does this taking offense, end?'

If you believe that mocking your religion constitutes intrusions into your personal space, then it is inevitable that there will be conflicts between those who believes in the freedom of speech principle and those with staunch religious convictions. But the problem is that there is no way to know how a religionist will take even the most mild of questioning of his religious beliefs.

You do not eat beef. Fine with me. But does that give you the right to demand that I do not eat beef in front of you ? For YOU, personally, maybe you are generous and understanding and have no problem with sitting down for dinner with me as I enjoy a slab of dry aged prime rib. But how do I know that any of your fellow Hindu will be equally generous and understanding ? Must I walk on eggshells in the presence of every Hindu ?


It looks like you have a very broad interpretation of what is one's business.

Sorry...But for Americans, meddling in someone else's business means affecting that person's life in some DIRECT ways. Questioning or even mocking your Hindu 'no consumption of beef' belief does not constitute forcing you to eat beef. Once you are behind closed doors, probably at your home, you are free to eat beef or not and your critics would be clueless. The US government, state and federal, have no power over you to force you to eat beef. The supermarket does not demand you to buy beef if you shop there. In short, no one is poking his/her nose into your business.

Its this particular habit of poking your nose where it does not belong, which lands you in trouble, not to mention creates trouble for the entire World.

I can say that you being a Hindu is creating tension for me as a Christian. I am offended by the many gods in your religion. OFF WITH YOUR HEAD...!!!

I can also say you smell like the Chinese have taken a shit all over you turning you yellow and think saying so makes me right as well.
Try coming up with better argument.

 

[Koovie]

This taking offence starts and ends at deliberately trying to hurt the sentiments of a community and their beliefs which has got nothing to do with any person outside the community in the first place.

And who are you to decide what others should find offensive or not?

If I feel that Muhamad did bad things (like waging war on religious grounds etc) NOBODY can stop me from expressing my criticism. Period.

Thats a fundamental right, and no sensible nation in the 21st century can base their legislation on some interpretations on an ancient book.... that just does not make any sense at all.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And who are you to decide what others should find offensive or not?

If I feel that Muhamad did bad things (like waging war on religious grounds etc) NOBODY can stop me from expressing my criticism. Period.

Thats a fundamental right, and no sensible nation in the 21st century can base their legislation on some interpretations on an ancient book.... that just does not make any sense at all.

In this case you are right. I may stop talking to you, even abuse you but how can I shut you up? I mean unless I am The Arnab.

 

[Koovie]

I may stop talking to you, even abuse you but how can I shut you up? I mean unless I am The Arnab.

Wut?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I don't think you will like the idea of if I publicly demonstrate caricatures of your community, or something that you believe in. If you want to debate, criticise, choose a proper platform, talk to those people who know about the subject, why holding public exhibitions ? Clearly the idea was to make cheap fun at the cost of others' belief.

ROFL. In Haider Shahid danced in one of the holiest of our shrines(Kashmiri Shaivism). We fumed, cursed and sued. DID NOT KILL. And he was a Hindu. Here non Muslims are drawing Muhammad. What's the big deal. I mean I know Pamela is a naughty old girl, but you are not allowed to take offence in the US for cartoons mocking your faith. Come on.

Wut?

If you abuse my faith. Hehe

 

[Cheetah786]

Learning the ropes of fatherhood!

What what what. You have your own pooping Machine. Congratulations !!!!!!!!

 

[Koovie]

ROFL. In Haider Shahid danced in one of the holiest of our shrines(Kashmiri Shaivism). We fumed, cursed and sued. DID NOT KILL. And he was a Hindu. Here non Muslims are drawing Muhammad. What's the big deal. I mean I know Pamela is a naughty old girl, but you are not allowed to take offence in the US for cartoons mocking your faith. Come on.


If you abuse my faith. Hehe

OHO!

 

[nForce]

And who are you to decide what others should find offensive or not?

I find it offensive.

If I feel that Muhamad did bad things (like waging war on religious grounds etc) NOBODY can stop me from expressing my criticism. Period.

And cartoons solve that problem ?

Thats a fundamental right, and no sensible nation in the 21st century can base their legislation on some interpretations on an ancient book.... that just does not make any sense at all.

So, we should try our hands insulting it rather. Sounds like a plan, way to go..

 

[SQ8]

How much is it different from the ghettos of UK? I've heard Texas is still as much a rowdy place....you keep whatever your religion be to yourself.

Far from it. Its a generally tolerant state with the third largest population of Pakistanis who are part of the local government in many cities. There is also excellent cohesion among Indians and Pakistanis too, many have learnt to drop the BS that happens in their homeland and learn to work together as communities.

Much better than the UK, at least in terms of lifestyle. The level of UK Pakistanis and US Pakistanis is worlds apart.